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Why stop at socialism. Why not just go full communist?

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posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 10:08 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: avgguy
a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Socialism is working great in the EU isn't it. I heard the jobs are plentiful in Greece.


But they'll just say that Greece isn't "real" socialism, because "real" socialism is super awesome!


You guys need to get out more....

Socialism is working pretty good in Sweden, Denmark, Norway and the Netherlands...higher standard of living than the US. and lots of Blondes....

Yes . Great idea . now we need to import some blonds...oops government technical advisors to show us how it is done





posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 10:09 PM
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a reply to: daaskapital

The point is there are ways to fix our problems and the issues you list without conforming to socialism.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 10:13 PM
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originally posted by: ExNihiloRed
a reply to: daaskapital

The point is there are ways to fix our problems and the issues you list without conforming to socialism.


No one's saying that the USA should go full-socialist. Many are just in favour of so-called 'socialist' policies like universal healthcare and minimum wages, which are enjoyed by most developed countries in the world. These policies aren't going to bring the USA to its knees.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 10:14 PM
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originally posted by: daaskapital
a reply to: DBCowboy

You're painting with a broad brush.


I have a large canvas.


Countries like Australia, the United Kingdom, Sweden and France, among many others, all exercise 'socialist' policies to a certain extent. They're all democratic and free countries. The people of these countries aren't lazy or hate personal responsibility. They're human, just like you. They hold down jobs, pay taxes and contribute to society. I don't know where you get this idea that people in favour of 'socialist' policies are somehow lazy and envious of wealthy people.


Just a very vocal movement in America, mainly. If other countries want to live a certain way, it is of no concern to me. But when people in THIS country assume that a few laws will make the US like any other country, then I will speak out.


As for your statements about unfortunate people not wanting to better themselves, i just don't know what to say. Most people are employed and try to make a living.


I stated that they just don't want to better themselves, but better themselves at the expense of others.


What do you say to the people holding down multiple jobs yet still don't make enough to live adequately? What about the single parent who, despite going to work, can't afford adequate healthcare? These people are trying to make the best of their situations, but they are painted with a broad brush and told that they're lazy or envious by people like you. Sure, some people fit your description, but the vast majority of people are hard-working.


I was one of those people who worked my ass off and made it.

Sorry, but not everyone in life will be a winner. Does that make me callous or a realist?



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 10:22 PM
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posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 10:23 PM
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a reply to: daaskapital


And I do not believe government led programs like that are the solution to our problems. As with other countries, and you can research this, those 'entitlements' come at a cost. Socialism is not a route to economic growth. Maybe it makes me selfless, but I am just personally not willing to give half my income to the government to fund entitlements.
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posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 10:27 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
Australian poverty rate hits 13.9 per cent



And yet people talk of socialism as the great equalizer, when the only people that benefit are government employees and the wealthy.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 10:29 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

Just a very vocal movement in America, mainly. If other countries want to live a certain way, it is of no concern to me. But when people in THIS country assume that a few laws will make the US like any other country, then I will speak out.


All i see is a rising momentum of people supporting policies like universal healthcare and the minimum wage, among others. All i see are people wanting to enjoy some of the same rights everyone else in the developed world has.




I stated that they just don't want to better themselves, but better themselves at the expense of others.


I don't see how universal healthcare or a minimum wage will benefit these people at the expense of others like yourself. Sure, you will pay a slightly higher tax than what you currently are, but most of these people will also contribute to these systems as well. In the end, it will benefit most people.




I was one of those people who worked my ass off and made it.


Good for you.


Sorry, but not everyone in life will be a winner. Does that make me callous or a realist?



Like you said, most won't walk the same path as you. Just because they won't, doesn't mean they shouldn't have a right to proper medical treatment or enjoy an adequate standard of living.
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posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 10:31 PM
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a reply to: ExNihiloRed

I honestly think that socialism inhibits the opportunities that are available in a brutal capitalistic society.

You can never truly take a risk on something if you always have a safety net. Thus, you never have to work like your life or your family's well being counts on you succeeding, if you never have to worry about failing.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 10:31 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

And yet people talk of socialism as the great equalizer, when the only people that benefit are government employees and the wealthy.



Generally, equalizing brings the top down and the bottom up. Socialism seems to equalize by just bring the top down to meet the bottom at the bottom. Let's all be poor. Equal, but poor.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 10:33 PM
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a reply to: daaskapital

People can have an adequate standard of living and proper medical treatment without socialism. Why does that have to be the only solution?



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 10:37 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: ExNihiloRed

I honestly think that socialism inhibits the opportunities that are available in a brutal capitalistic society.

You can never truly take a risk on something if you always have a safety net. Thus, you never have to work like your life or your family's well being counts on you succeeding, if you never have to worry about failing.


Well it does. Greater risk, greater reward is the saying. Going to college and partying for four years to obtain a liberal arts degree is one type of risk, but not one that will pay with high job opportunities. But no, the system #ed them.

I am not minimizing the plight of the working poor, but I do not think a bigger federal government is the solution to our problems. People just don't understand that other free market factors can help and state governments should also be in charge of many of the things people are trying to feed through a federal government.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 10:40 PM
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a reply to: ExNihiloRed

Because it is easier to emulate another ideology than to do the hard work and come up with a new strategy.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 10:42 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
Australian poverty rate hits 13.9 per cent



Every country has its problems. I don't know why you're trying to equate Australia's poverty rates as being a result of socialist policies though. Every country has poverty.

As it stands, the USA's poverty rate is 14.8%



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 10:45 PM
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a reply to: ExNihiloRed

No one hates the working poor. Despite what many say about me, I don't hate the working poor. But I want to see the working poor have opportunity. Not handouts.

Handouts belittle people. Entitlements are an insult.

People should have the opportunity to work and earn their own way.

Nanny state ideology is an insult to hard working people.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 10:45 PM
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originally posted by: ExNihiloRed
a reply to: daaskapital

People can have an adequate standard of living and proper medical treatment without socialism. Why does that have to be the only solution?



Of course they can, but it is undeniable that many millions of Americans go without healthcare and don't have an adequate standard of living.

Granted, these policies aren't bulletproof. People will still fall through the cracks, but many more people will enjoy a right to healthcare and adequate living with these policies.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 10:49 PM
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originally posted by: daaskapital

originally posted by: ExNihiloRed
a reply to: daaskapital

People can have an adequate standard of living and proper medical treatment without socialism. Why does that have to be the only solution?



Of course they can, but it is undeniable that many millions of Americans go without healthcare and don't have an adequate standard of living.

Granted, these policies aren't bulletproof. People will still fall through the cracks, but many more people will enjoy a right to healthcare and adequate living with these policies.


And it is impossible for conservative, small government policies to accomplish this? Socialism is the best option?



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 10:51 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: ExNihiloRed

Handouts belittle people. Entitlements are an insult.


In college, I got hundreds of people to sign up to credit cards for a free t-shirt. Let's not underestimate how much our country loves free stuff.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 10:52 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

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"communism at the bottom, fascism at the top: all under one tent".
Keep the wraith.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 10:52 PM
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a reply to: daaskapital

When a government starts seeing to the healthcare needs of it's people, you have a nanny state. No matter how benign, it is a nanny state.




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