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Why stop at socialism. Why not just go full communist?

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posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 09:28 PM
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a reply to: avgguy

Let's see how much longer we last before we start putting all of our eggs in one basket, shall we?

2008 was an awesome year... for the banks. They manipulate the system in their favor until it crashes, then they get bailed out while the average person lost everything. Great system we've got here.
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posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 09:30 PM
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a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

I don't want to pay any more taxes than I already do.

That's a big deal to me, and I am willing to bet, many others.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 09:31 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

And who bailed them out?



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 09:31 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: avgguy
a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Socialism is working great in the EU isn't it. I heard the jobs are plentiful in Greece.


But they'll just say that Greece isn't "real" socialism, because "real" socialism is super awesome!


You guys need to get out more....

Socialism is working pretty good in Sweden, Denmark, Norway and the Netherlands...higher standard of living than the US. and lots of Blondes....



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 09:32 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: avgguy
a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Socialism is working great in the EU isn't it. I heard the jobs are plentiful in Greece.


But they'll just say that Greece isn't "real" socialism, because "real" socialism is super awesome!


Socialism is never Socialism when it fails.




posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 09:32 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Where are you getting your definition of socialism from? If no one works, the government doesn't get any taxes from us, if they get no taxes and we don't work, what are we getting other than poverty and starvation?

You have a warped perception of what socialism truly is.

They've convinced you it's the boogeyman. It works for them though because they keep taking your money and putting it in an offshore account that can't be taxed.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 09:33 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Man, that cold war propaganda really worked wonders, hey?

You're acting as if universal healthcare and other 'socialist' policies will result in the USA becoming like North Korea. You're using communism to slight so-called 'socialist' policies. You're simply reaching and are incorrect in your assertions.

I have compared the USA's situation to that of other countries in the past, and despite your ire about it, these arguments are legitimate. I'm not a commie or a socialist nutjob; i just know that the USA is falling behind the rest of the developed world when it comes to these topics. There is no reason why people in the USA should be denied the right to seek medical treatment or have to hold down 2, 3 or 4 jobs to maintain adequate living standards without a standard minimum wage.

So many other countries have implemented these 'socialist' policies, and they are much better off with them. Sure, most countries are smaller, but these goals are not unreachable or untenable for the USA. Your country is just stuck in the past and mostly unwilling to redistribute its resources to provide basic rights for its own civilians that people all over the world already enjoy.

In Australia, we have a minimum wage and universal healthcare. We're one of the richest countries in the world. We pay a tax which partly funds our healthcare system, but we know we don't have to pay many thousands of dollars when we break a leg or need an emergency surgery. Those who want private healthcare are able to get it. Our universal and private healthcare systems coexist with one another. The both aren't mutually exclusive.

I don't see why there shouldn't be universal healthcare in the USA. Let people have their right to medical treatment. You can continue with your own private services. That's your prerogative. Don't deny others, theirs.


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posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 09:33 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

What about Ireland, Greece, Spain, Portugal and the South American countries? How's their standard of living?



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 09:34 PM
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a reply to: avgguy

They bailed themselves out, they own the government. Capitalists run our government, a.k.a. capitalist corporations.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 09:35 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

No a president bailed them out. What's his name again ?



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 09:37 PM
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a reply to: avgguy

You mean the president that they have bought and paid for? Yeah, they told him to do it, he didn't do it out of sincerity.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 09:40 PM
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a reply to: TorqueyThePig

Great.
How's your deductible, good? Do you like it? I mean do you like paying money even though you are forced to purchase insurance?

By the way, do you like being forced to buy insurance?

Wouldn't it be better if it just came out of your taxes?

Also, no more deductibles. And one day, if you really need it, guess what? Your medication won't cost you anything. Right now there are people who are forced to pay high deductibles and premiums and can't even afford to buy the medication.

What a scam and what a shame.

In the long run, you will be saving a ton of money and stress by having these "basic human rights" come out of yours and everyone else's taxes.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 09:47 PM
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a reply to: daaskapital

Can freedom still exist in socialism?

Can I have the freedom to opt out? Or am I forced to participate.

So many want socialism for the US. So many hate the idea of personal responsibility. Might as well just give it all away and let the government dole it out.

There is such a hatred fostered for those who have succeeded. There is such animosity for those who have worked hard and achieved more.

They use socialism as a great equalizer. Similar to the goals of Marx and Lenin.

At least, that's how I see it. My rant is more frustration than anything else. I see success demonized, I see hard work penalized. I see the haves and the have-nots.

I know they exist.

But the have-nots aren't trying to simply better themselves. They want to better themselves at the expense of others.

And that's where communism fits in.


In the end, regardless of what ideology is left standing, there will still be the haves and the have-nots.

The names will be different. But that's it.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 09:52 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: DBCowboy

So your personal situation reflects the state of our entire country right now? Hardly. We live in a materialistic, self-absorbed, selfish society in America.

Capitalism is a failure, admit it. It has bred a business ethic and political system where personal gain is valued above the greater community. Look at the candidates we have in place, they're selfish and arrogant for the most part, taking money from billionaires and dancing to the tune they play for them.

Your situation does not reflect the bigger picture that's happening in America right now. You saying "I got mine" in so many words is the kind of self-entitled, selfish attitude that has been brewing in capitalistic America for quite some time now. It's about to reach its boiling point and we're all going to get screwed over because of it.

It doesn't matter how much money YOU have saved up, other people aren't making enough money to save up to begin with today. Like I said, your situation does not reflect the current generation that is growing up in our country.


True everything you have said is true however one question how far have reps/dems pushed America to the point it is now? The system worked when checks and balances couldn't be circumvented and when our country was isolationist with money actually being backed up by something other then promises?

The problem with my/our country is we have actually turned our back on its principles.
we get in wars that don't require us, or are not of our concern.
We fuel cartels buy keeping prohibition on drugs something proven not to work with the prohibition of alcohol.
We have public servants making more then the public they serve, Cops, Firefighters and politicians wages start out at 60k but every job that requires a 4 years degree starts at 30k then moves up.
We have allowed companies to outsource jobs without big tariffs on the goods when they sell them in our country.
We allow employers to gauge work pay based off how many people apply for the position not based off the skill it requires to do the work aka a standard wage for the work.
We don't enforce common sense laws like immigration laws because it might hurt someones feelings.
We enforce stupid laws that infringe on peoples rights
We lie about unemployment numbers instead of telling the truth.
We allow hb1 visa's while there is a high unemployment rate among Americans.

Our country shoots its self in the foot on propose and when people suggest shutting the doors on immigration for a bit and employing Americans instead of using HB1 visas or illegal immigration, they are called racist or xenophobic.
we are not actively paying attention to people on government handouts which is something meant to help people until they reach a point of self sufficiency. Yet we read about 3rd generation section 8 housing families, People stealing by lying about the size of their families and collecting massive checks from the government in aid, that there are a massive amount of people who are collecting food stamps.
Then there is government spending which is out of control!
Then there is corporations in America paying 0 in taxes who make billions a year.
Politicians are allowed to do insider trading "which is criminal for every body else" they are allowed to take bribes from lobbyist which is in direct conflict of interest for the population and the only reason a corporation is considered to have rights like a person, because without a corporation having rights like people they couldn't lobby.

I'm sorry but if your 3rd generation section 8 then you have failed to be helped in some way and my guess is it isn't the government aka cut funding to them! If you decide to have more children while on section 8 housing you are never going to climb out of section 8 housing and that's not your goal-cut funding to them!

I know i sound like a total a-hole but come on someone needs to cut the bs this country tells its self and what the population tells its self. We need to be honest with our selves first.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 09:55 PM
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a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

Won't cost you anything?! BWAHAHAHAHA!

That's what they'll tell you even as they pass a VAT on top of your income taxes in order to pay for it. So, OK you aren't paying at point of sale for you drug, you just pay exorbitantly high prices for everything else you buy to pay for it.

And if they don't go that route, then they start rationing. Either you aren't getting the latest and best treatments or there is only a certain amount available each year and by the end, your pharmacist might start telling you they're out. Don't say it doesn't happen. Husband was a technician at a military hospital and had to ration. He got to tell WWII vets he couldn't fill their scrips for rationing reasons. One of the big reasons why he doesn't do that anymore.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 09:57 PM
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I can't wait for the communist day when the government tells us what jobs we will all have. Begins telling your children what occupations they will be trained to fulfill in the future regardless of what their desires might be.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 09:59 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: daaskapital

But the have-nots aren't trying to simply better themselves. They want to better themselves at the expense of others.


Thank you. The discussion has gone from there not being equal opportunity to achieve the same success and changed to well the top should distribute what they have to those that do not and pay their fair share and equalize the economic inequality.

I can support equalizing opportunities, I cannot support redistribution of wealth.

America was founded on the idea of freedom. The bigger the government the more liberties you have to sacrifice. The founding fathers supported a small government. Bottom line.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 10:00 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
I can't wait for the communist day when the government tells us what jobs we will all have. Begins telling your children what occupations they will be trained to fulfill in the future regardless of what their desires might be.


We will have full faith in our Central Kommittee.




posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 10:01 PM
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Thats the idea!

She survived Hitler and wants to warn America.

From Robert Welch's John Birch Society 1958 speech



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posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 10:05 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

You're painting with a broad brush.

Countries like Australia, the United Kingdom, Sweden and France, among many others, all exercise 'socialist' policies to a certain extent. They're all democratic and free countries. The people of these countries aren't lazy or hate personal responsibility. They're human, just like you. They hold down jobs, pay taxes and contribute to society. I don't know where you get this idea that people in favour of 'socialist' policies are somehow lazy and envious of wealthy people.

As for your statements about unfortunate people not wanting to better themselves, i just don't know what to say. Most people are employed and try to make a living.

What do you say to the people holding down multiple jobs yet still don't make enough to live adequately? What about the single parent who, despite going to work, can't afford adequate healthcare? These people are trying to make the best of their situations, but they are painted with a broad brush and told that they're lazy or envious by people like you. Sure, some people fit your description, but the vast majority of people are hard-working.



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