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These words are the image of my awareness/my concepts,
my awareness/conception is of my spirit/my will,
and my spirit/my will is to show you how my words are images of what is in my spirit/what is in my will, as I conceive it / measure it.
Think of it like they all 3 have there own spirit yet they are one. (Like how I showed earlier that my words are to lead you to my awareness of my spirit/will and my spirit will was to will those words so that you gain spiritual awareness/awareness of my spirit. That is, they have different will/functions but all lead - all serve - to produce the same purpose -- likewise, my awareness is to create images of the spirit to lead you to spiritual awareness - that is partly what it is for.)
And I remind you again that this is the teaching of the Nicene Creed and the standard teaching of the church.
originally posted by: Bleeeeep
Their "standard teachings" mean nothing to me. The only authority is God. What is wrong with you, trying to make an appeal to authority like that?
originally posted by: DISRAELI
They mean something to me, because I am a Christian, and the consensus of the early church is what defines Christianity. Otherwise I end up in the "Make up your own religion" school of thought. I do not believe that the consensus of the early church lacked the ability to understand the New Testament they were studying.
I don't know why you bring up the relation between Father and Son, which I haven't been discussing.
The consensus teaches that the Father and Son BOTH send the Spirit, between them. That is clearly evidenced in John, where Jesus tells his disciples that he will ask the Father to send the Counsellor (ch14) and will himself send the same Counsellor (ch16).
Romans ch 8 v9 says that we belong to Christ, on condition that the Spirit dwells in us, on condition that the Spirit of God dwells in us, on condition that the Spirit of Christ dwells in us. These are all different ways of describing the same condition. You are supposing that different labels MUST apply to different things. That comes from being over-literal. In this case, different labels are evidently being applied to what is only one Spirit, the Spirit jointly sent by the Father and by Christ.
All other references to the Holy Spirit in the New Testament are understandable in those terms.
originally posted by: Bleeeeep
You mean Comforter, not "Counsellor", and what Yeshua is trying to express there ... not that he is the Father and/or the Holy Spirit.