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The Problem with manufacturing jobs, What can we do?

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posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 01:39 PM
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originally posted by: mikell
With most things just wait to see how long it last. We haven't shopped at Wal Mart and such places in many years and the quality is much higher. Our company is advertising Made in America to do that 82% of the product has to be made here. 100% of what we sell here is made here.


Normally I would avoid buying from china for that reason but this product uses the same parts as the American model for the major systems. Dodgy wiring can be replaces for a few pennies though it seems solid.
Over the years I think Chinese products have improved so as to compete with other upcoming markets.




posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 01:40 PM
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originally posted by: Esoterotica
a reply to: olaru12

We need to invent Star Trek style replicators in the very near future. 3D printing is the very beginning of a technology that will one day reform the entire world, assuming we don't destroy ourselves before then.


I agree its amazing tecnology. I have two of them and Im amazed still at them.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 01:40 PM
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Now factor in robotics. manufacturing WILL come back to America, but robots will have the jobs,. They work 24x7x365, don't require benefits, and they don't whine about working conditions.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 01:42 PM
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As these second tier economies start to improve, as they are slowly, that playing field will be more level. But probably never level enough. I think we just have to evolve to an information/service/entrepreneurial economy.

The industrial revolution is over. It's time to move on. That include manufacturing jobs.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 01:44 PM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22
All you need is a tariff system based on the standard of living index. Then environmental and health penalties tacked on.

But the price diffrent is so extreme in some cases the tarrif would have to extremly high.

Plus it does not solve the fact that the American (or Insert other western nation) made product would be uncompetitive and priced out of the international market.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 01:47 PM
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The problem will never go away. When China's middle class gets too big and profits there start diminishing, corporations will move onto somewhere else. They are already starting to contract and that's why the markets are so volatile. Corporations are like locusts, they suck up everything and move on.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 01:51 PM
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originally posted by: SLAYER69
a reply to: crazyewok

Inflation.

Just have to wait. When China stops playing around with it's currency and get's serious about what they know they need to do, it'll start to balance out a bit. Of course by that time India will be the next "Manufacturing" place to be, Lather Rinse repeat.

couple of pennies



I think you are dead on the money.

Remember Japan in the 70's and 80's... Then Taiwan, Now China, next India, next "Africa" maybe. It appears this is the way to bring the worlds standards up.... shifting the manufacturing base to build up a nations economy into "consumerism" and then migrating that manufacturing to the next "target" nation.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 01:52 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok


So the tariff would be high. We can't compete with free materials and dirt cheep labor.
And if our products are to expensive they will just have to do without them.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 06:56 PM
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originally posted by: schuyler
Now factor in robotics. manufacturing WILL come back to America, but robots will have the jobs,. They work 24x7x365, don't require benefits, and they don't whine about working conditions.


Robots will have the manufacturing jobs and all the other jobs. But here's the thing, If the end results in a human poplulation being entirely served by robots, it puts an end to the money sytem but doesn't put an end to service - the robots need maintenence and malfunction if not maintained in proper working conditions. While a robot may not be programmed to relay when it needs maintenance, if it doesnt get it, it will malfunction or shut down. Robots will later expose that there is no need for money if they are maintained by humans who service them without being paid any money for having serviced them. Why wait for the robots to expose that? That would be the end result if there was only a small human population left who were all robotic engineers, with the rest of the population having been elliminated due to war and disease, in a world left with millions of robots who filled every human working position needed. The use of money would no longer be necessary or useful. The robotic engineers left would not have any use for money as the robots provide them with all they need through their work so long as they are maintained and the engineers work on them. Furthermore, robots can be built to service other robots when needed with creating and maintaining each other's parts, which further frees up a human beings time to live a life they enjoy. And keep in mind, that enjoyment could be gardening on a warm day, hands in the soil and planting vegetables and flowers, with never a worry over a bill or lack of housing crossing their mind...gardening, work to some and pure enjoyment to others. But accessible to all who enjoy in the age of a robotic work force.

Having said that, if this is the projected futuristic out come, there is absolutely no good reason why all people cannot see that servicing each other, maintaining each other, is what it takes to get work done. If people are treated well and live well and are not abused, they are happier and more productive. Granted there will be those that will cause problems even when there are no real current problems due to the sickness they cannot rid themselves of in their own heads, to which they can be contained with counseling and nurturing in a loving environment that seriously aims to help them, not enable their twisted thinking. And there are many more people who in their free time, truly enjoy getting others to see the light with helping people sort out and let go of their problems because of the visible relief that is shown when people let go of grudges and baggage and really start living. No payment required, service to others in an area that is freely chosen by them, because they enjoy it.

I don't see why we all cannot decide to make the most out of the projected future of robots for all human beings, with robots doing the bulk of the work, with all the human population finally being able to have their most crucial, basic needs met in beautiful surroundings, being able to experience life to the fullest without the fear of that being taken from them, or not easily rebuilt if damaged.

Robots will show there is no need for money, unless they are all programmed to say they need it inserted into them before they start working. The robots will still need servicing to maintain their superior functioning. If robots are programmed in this way, the programmers will produce an object to represent money but live lives themselves which require no money. To which all of that is representative to human beings being programmed by the wealthy elite to believe in the need for money, who in turn reinforce this programming among each other. If the above is true, the need for money and attaching lack of or no money to the reason why people do not have their own private, beautiful basic modern essentials, was implemented for the sake of entertaining the shadow elite who have an infinite supply of money, who get off on the drama and chaos it produces, which is replayed to the general population with actors in movies for a fee, to further heighten the experience by enticing others to get involved in the pursuit of money, or giving it approval based on superficial cool factor and intrigue, waiting for more drama and anticipating it. Paying money to watch others getting hurt, raped, beat, killed, shamed, blown up, set on fire, interrogated, decapitated, lied to, cheated on, selling and buying sex and so on and then calling it a classic, or giving an actor an award for it.

Bottom line is money is a mind screw to keep the sick entertained by the majority of the population by their reaction to it. The depths that people stoop to to get it, what they may do to themselves or others, the warring and stealing and despair it's caused being attached to food and nice, safe, private housing is enough to get rid of money for good and move into service to others in a nurturing, moral, ethical, good natured and fun way because in the end it's proven that would have been the best way to go.

Those entertained by the drama and chaos money creates need to be outted and then charged with crimes against humanity for having attached basic modern human needs to a monetary system.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 07:20 PM
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A time is coming in the world where we need to stop trying to get people jobs.

This is 1929 thinking not 2020.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 07:31 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

Agreed. If manufacturing ever comes back here again, it will be robots, not people, in charge. But hell, that's the inevitable future of service jobs too.

You want a job in 10 years? Learn to speak Robot...designing, programming, maintenance, etc.



posted on Feb, 11 2016 @ 12:11 PM
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originally posted by: crazyewok
I brought a SLA yesterday. This was from China and it is a Clone of a USA model. Uses the same parts and technology and has the same accuracy but is 4 times cheaper. Only difference is you don’t get the same software so you have to use a free open source piece of software (which works fine and I use for my old printer anyway).

So the question is why would I buy from the USA at 4 times the price when I can buy something from China 4 times cheaper?

Same with EU products or UK products.


And thats the problem. That is why we are losing our manufacturing jobs.


So what can we do?

Ok we can use tariffs. But even if you wacked on a 20% tariff it would still be cheaper.
So ban the products you say?

Ok say the USA bans Chinese products. That only protects US domestic markets. The Eurozone, Canada, Japan, Australia they will still have access to the cheaper products and so the USA will be Prices out of that market and the company will only make a fraction of what it could make. Same for the UK, Europe, Japan ect we would still be priced out the market.

So what can we do?



Manufacturing isn't coming back, the only real solution is to adjust our economic model so that service sector jobs are viable, and probably adjust the length of our work week too.
edit on 11-2-2016 by Aazadan because: (no reason given)



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