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People Have A 'Fundamental Right' To Own Assault Weapons, Court Rules

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posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 12:29 AM
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originally posted by: PhoenixOD
a reply to: TheBadCabbie

Maybe IED's and chemical weapons as well


Yeah! ye-what, hey, whoah, hey. Woah!

No. Just.

NO!

I can't even pretend to be in favor of that, sorry. Though my intense desire to clown you is nearly overwhelming, I cannot agree with that sentiment.




posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 12:59 AM
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I support the US Constitution and the system of government it creates. In particular, I support the 2nd Amendment and the right of every American citizen to own and carry a firearm.

I also know that the 2nd Amendment addressed a specific right as well as a responsibility that was passed down to us as Americans through the English Common law, to wit, the right to own a firearm for the protection of our homes and our communities.

I know that to many in the world, the American attitude toward firearms is rather odd to say the least. Yet, it is our heritage and a part of our national character.

I do not agree that there is any reasonable chance at all that the American people are or will be "disarmed" nor that any politician anywhere is trying to accomplish that. I understand at this point there are some 320 million weapons in the hands of citizens, and that this number increases by about 10 million per year. This number far exceeds, as I understand it, all the weapons held by our military and law enforcement.

I do not agree that the phrase "shall not be infringed" means that there are absolutely no limitations of any kind on the 2nd amendment right in specific cases given other equally compelling legal considerations. Judge Scalia made this clear in the Heller decision. The absolutist argument "shall not be infringed" leads absurdly to individuals having the right to own drones equipped with Hellfire missiles, prisoners being allowed to carry their weapons in prison, etc.

I also don't see how it can be argued that a governmental restriction on certain aspects of weapons, like say fire rate, magazine size, etc. can be construed as a violation of the 2nd. Compelling government interest (which should always be based on the greatest general welfare of the public) is pretty easily described here.

... and (and here we come to the long-winded point) I don't think my perceptions are that far away from the average Americans, conservative, moderate or liberal. I think a lot of the anti-gun control crowd are simply extremists ... insisting that no level of government (Federal, State or local) can place any restrictions on the types of weapons available, etc.

On the other hand, I have never heard anyone, even the most liberal, leftest, hippy, tree-hugging socialist advocate for these gun-grabs I keep hearing about, in fact, that seems to be little more than a device of pure political rhetoric.

So, why does it have to be one of two extremes? Either everyone can have as many guns as they desire of any size, nature and ability, can carry them anywhere anytime they wish with no concerns for the rights of others OR no one can have guns except the government elite, Illuminati/Bilderburger/French merc forces and we Americans are reduced to simpering slaves.

I'm trying to work it out here you see. Anyone care to discuss it rationally?



posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 01:03 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: SonOfThor

If I am ever in a position to take you up on that, I shall certainly do so.

The chances of me leaving the British Isles however, are slim. That being said, I do love good barbecue food.

Oh you gotta get a smoker if you've never owned one and you have the room for it. A small one takes up no more room than a regular charcoal grill. Best tasting meat I'ver ever cooked, even with wood of no particularly well suited variety. You can use charcoal in them, but I like to use up my scrap small wood to do my smoking. It doesn't take much wood to smoke a steak, or even a roast, either.

Back on topic, I liked your earlier comment critquing AR's comparison. Some other things for readers to consider are that guns can tend to be equalizers of force when one faces a situation that is a danger to their personal safety. In other words a little old lady(or man), disabled person, or injured person can use a gun with just as much effectiveness as a younger, stronger, healthier, and/or larger adversary. Tends to make either opponent more equally matched in any potentially life-threatening confrontation.



posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 04:25 AM
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Going for the emotional imagery caused by the semantic "assault XXX" is purposed to get the nose under the tent precedent ruling in the courts that can later be bolted on to and expanded.

Not fooling anyone. My anger is that the anti-gunners think the 2nd amendment-ers are so shallow and stupid they won't detect it. Only shows how shallow and stupid the anti-gunners are.



posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 04:28 AM
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originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: SonOfThor

originally posted by: PhoenixOD
Yay more guns!

Just one more step to making the world happier place

Yay a sarcastic, emotional post that has no basis in logic and zero cogent argument.

I wouldn't say that. There's a lot of eye-rolling going on outside of your borders when you cheer your gun rights but wring your hands over the latest mass shootings. A certain cognitive disconnect going on there.
But, hey...yay more guns!


Over 120,000 people are killed each year through traffic accidents. We need to ban cars now!!!



posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 04:59 AM
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originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: SonOfThor

originally posted by: PhoenixOD
Yay more guns!

Just one more step to making the world happier place

Yay a sarcastic, emotional post that has no basis in logic and zero cogent argument.

I wouldn't say that. There's a lot of eye-rolling going on outside of your borders when you cheer your gun rights but wring your hands over the latest mass shootings. A certain cognitive disconnect going on there.
But, hey...yay more guns!


And this post sums up and backs up what the other poster was saying.Another emotional response with zero argument that those evil firearms commit mass shootings with no human intervention...Ridiculous.



posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 08:59 AM
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a reply to: pirhanna

I guess they assume a particular looking gun to be an assault rifle even if it is semi-auto instead of auto..



posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 09:25 AM
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yeah. that's the thing. other than cosmetic features a semi automatic gun is a semi automatic gun. some hunting rifles have exactly the same operational capabilities as a M16/AR platform.

The last assault weapons ban therefore used cosmetic features to define assault weapons. things like carrying handle, pistol grip bayonet lugs and compensators. so by altering these trivial features the manufacturers were able to sell the core rifles with the same capabilities within hours of the ban. and that's the rub. Last time anyone used a fixed bayonette in a crime? how about like never. that's how ridiculous going after cosmetic features is.

The core capabilities of an AR is not in the cosmetic features or the mag capacity. The unmodified ruger mini-14 hunting rifle has almost the exact same operating parameters as the storied M16. In some ways it is arguably superior. it certainly has the sneaky ability to avoid the attention of the gun grabbers because it plays all innocent like. see? just a respectable normal hunting rifle. nothing to see here. move along. these are not the rifles you are looking for.

like i said that's the rub. in order to actually snuff out the so called assault weapons you'd have to basically outlaw all semiautomatic rifles and pistols. and the gun grabbers know that that simply would get everyone who tried it or supported it ran out of town and country after a liberal coating of hot tar and feathers.
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posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 11:19 AM
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Can you smell it?? That gunpowder in the air?? Its the smell of Liberty!



There are no criminals or mass killers here, only law abiding patriots enjoying their rights.






Fast forward to 7:04 to see the terminator in action!


A damn shame our European friends cannot enjoy such recreational activities.


On another note, Florida is getting its open carry finally.


The Florida House passed legislation allowing concealed carry permit holders to openly carry and to carry their guns on college campuses for self-defense.

The legislation is contained in two separate bills, and Democrats opposed them both.

According to WCTV, Republicans argued that the bills “protect gun owners’ constitutional rights” and increase safety. In fact, the ability for women to defend themselves on college campuses has been the driving the force behind campus carry in state after state during the past few years. But Democrats opposed the Republican arguments, claiming that “the bills would create public safety risks.”

Breitbart News previously reported that campus carry has been the law of the land in Colorado since 2003. And similar dire warnings of increased risks to public safety never materialized into anything tangible. Instead, Colorado’s tenure with campus carry has seen no mass shootings and no crimes by permit holders.

WCTV also reported that the Florida House passed legislation that will “allow lawmakers to carry concealed weapons onto their chamber’s floor and in committee meetings.”


Welcome to Florida!



posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 11:39 AM
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a reply to: gosseyn

When used intelligently(My IQ is 115 at last measure) then that abrogates the ignorance you suggest .
HOWEVER when these devices are handled or used by someone with ill intent or in a break down of sanity,the obvious occurs.
Claiming some kind of intellectual or moral high ground based on your judgement of the rifles used by a TINY, itty ,bitty ,HANDFUL of our populace because the current administration's work in media?
SAD,mistaken ,insulting and pointless without an empirical reference.
You will be flamed and deservedly so and for it,you have NO logical recourse,apparently THAT isn't an issue for Progs and Euro-pacifists.
Germany ,France in fact ANY of the counties, who have allowed "refugees" into their borders,would LOVE American style gun ownership,now that their governments have seen fit to invade in behalf of ISIS with their polices.
DON'T blame ME if you can't handle guns...
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posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 11:46 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

What is operation CHOKEPOINT?
Why do somepeople think you can buy guns online or at a gun show WITHOUT a back ground check? ( I have NEVER in my life seen these transactions...myself).
WHAT exactly IS an assault weapon to you?



posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 02:34 PM
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a reply to: AmericanRealist
Excellent find!
As they say, "Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it."
Just to be clear, my weapons have never assaulted anything except targets---tin cans, milk jugs, left-over Halloween pumpkins (they're really fun to watch explode!) and a few paper targets.
Even when I attended the Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot---no humans were injured beyond blisters on shooting fingers/hands. Imagine that---hundreds of armed people---thousands of assault weapons---nobody got shot! But everybody has a lot of big fun!



posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 02:40 PM
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a reply to: AmericanRealist
Hmm... Was'nt it the founding fathers that wrote the constitution of the United States?
They had AR-15's and sub-machine gun's, right?? And semi-auto pistols with unlimited size of clips??
No???
They had flintlock pistol's and ball bearing musket's???
How come EYE don't own a ball-bearing musket?? I guess theyre too expensive in today's market. I guess it would just be cheaper and more economical to own a semi-auto carbine rifle.
I think I REALLY need a 50. Caliber rifle to hunt deer. I can't wait to cut it's head off, skin it and pull its internal organs out.
How ever could I get a decent meal without butchering a wild deer??



posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 03:19 PM
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originally posted by: gosseyn
a reply to: M4nWithNoN4me

The problem is, we're all already enslaved and guns and force were not even needed. A gun might be a solution if you're like the frog that you throw into boiling water, but we're being slowly cooked. At some point there is going to be a zoo-like place for people who want to have guns, and they will be naked and without a roof. Guns are useless against ideas and manipulation, shock strategy and all that.

I should add that I don't live in the US and I don't own guns.


No, we have a military styled and outfitted police now who shoot rather than not. Where I live, its not a big city at all near by yet our cops all wear combat fatigues and carry ASSUALT WEAPONS like they are the dam army. Meanwhile the chances of any terror attacks here are ZERO. That is one huge reason Why us Americans need to keep our guns. They are up to no dam good and you would not know that till you were here.

The day Americans had no guns would be the day the U.N. or any group of nations tried to invade the U.S.

I bet your the same type of person like the French people who just got down on the ground and let themselves get shot by terrorist rather than fight to save people or themselves.

Our government is evil to the core now and we will not give them a free pass to slaughter us, thanks.



posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 03:28 PM
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originally posted by: Mousygretchen
a reply to: AmericanRealist
Hmm... Was'nt it the founding fathers that wrote the constitution of the United States?
They had AR-15's and sub-machine gun's, right?? And semi-auto pistols with unlimited size of clips??
No???
They had flintlock pistol's and ball bearing musket's???
How come EYE don't own a ball-bearing musket?? I guess theyre too expensive in today's market. I guess it would just be cheaper and more economical to own a semi-auto carbine rifle.
I think I REALLY need a 50. Caliber rifle to hunt deer. I can't wait to cut it's head off, skin it and pull its internal organs out.
How ever could I get a decent meal without butchering a wild deer??



The people had the same weapons the military had then or did you not get that?? Seems it went right over your head.

The people should have the same weapons that the military has so they can not force their will on the majority of the people, EVER!!!

That is why they wrote that in the Constitution!!! So no Government would have the power, that it would stay with the PEOPLE!!!

Today's government is no longer by the people for the people. Its a small few for them and their selfish greed. Money and Power while the hard core few, have companies pay them and the rest to support their goals of dominating the whole country. Get in their way, your now a terrorist and they will kill you, just like Lavoy.



posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 03:31 PM
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a reply to: AmericanRealist

Sadly you have to have a Concealed permit to open carry so its just an excuse to keep the cops inline. If it was like Arizona it would be perfect.



posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 03:34 PM
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Why is it so hard for you to understand that we enjoy shootings guns for a variety of reasons


Why is it so hard to understand that peoples' lives are worth more than your selfish, childish desires?

So much for pro-life.



posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 03:37 PM
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I live in Florida and I have never been to or heard of one dam Gun show where you could buy any gun without a back ground check where you would normally have to get one.

Obama is so full of crap. Anyone who listens to anything that dirt bag has to say for the truth is a nut.

The Trust he talked about are so dam complicated to do, no dam criminal is ever going to use one. Only gun collectors and shop owners ever use them.



posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 03:46 PM
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a reply to: AmericanRealist

LOL, Many Brass cases of mine are at that Hernando range. Just wish they had something over 200 meters. Its getting ridiculous when you have to drive three plus hours to shoot any real distance over that.



posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 03:50 PM
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a reply to: Patriotsrevenge

Well I mean, getting a CWP is a very simple process, and IMO not much of a hindrance for the right to open carry. This state has the highest number total of CWP than any other in the union, even Texas. Now every last one of them can open carry as well.


"Today there are well over 1.3 million law-abiding Floridians with a valid concealed weapons permit, 1.3 million. That’s the most in the nation -- nearly double that of the second state, which is Texas. Sorry, Gov. Perry."

Yep, Florida does have 1,384,756 million concealed weapon permit holders as of March 2015.







 
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