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What’s Happened With The Oregon Occupation Since You Stopped Paying Attention

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posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 11:17 PM
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This is history really, in the making.

Things won't stay the same. Your govt will not be so flippant now. Sure they still point guns as people simply doing life. It will change soon.




posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 11:18 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Lets post all of it.

Yes it was a protest.


Q: What sparked the militia takeover?

A: The answer here is complicated. In short, the militants are outraged about a mandatory minimum sentence received for arson by a local rancher and his son.

The ranchers, Dwight Hammond, Jr., 73, and his son Steve, 43, were convicted of federal arson charges, stemming from a pair or fires on federal land near their ranch. The first was reportedly set in 2001 to cover up their illegal poaching of a deer on government property. It burned 139 acres. The second was reportedly set in 2006 as a defensive measure, to protect the ranch from an approaching lightning-sparked wildfire. That arson reportedly endangered volunteer firefighters camped nearby. The government would seek $1 million in damages. (For a deep dive of the backstory read this piece in The Oregonian.)

Q: So some Oregon ranchers got busted for arson. Where's the tyranny?

A: The ranchers' case became a cause celebre in the patriot/militia movement because the pair were sentenced for their arson crimes under a provision of a law called the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996. And they were oddly sentenced twice.

The federal law in question doesn't just deal with terrorism. It created a five-year mandatory-minimum sentence for arson on federal land: "Whoever maliciously damages or destroys... by means of fire...any...real property...owned or possessed by...the United States...shall be imprisoned for not less than 5 years…"

The first federal judge to handle the case concluded that the mandatory sentence was too stiff and gave the pair far lighter sentences, which they served. But the U.S. attorney in the case called foul; the federal government took the rare step of appealing the sentence. In October 2015, the Ninth Circuit imposed the mandatory minimum, ruling that: "given the seriousness of arson, a five-year sentence is not grossly disproportionate to the offense." The ranchers are due back in federal prison Monday to serve out their five years each.

But this odd re-sentencing, under a statute that makes it sound like the cattlemen were being prosecuted for terrorism, inflamed the paranoid passions of the anti-government patriot and militia movements, and brought the militants to Burns for a rally on Saturday.


Q: What do the militants want?

A: In a phone in interview with The Oregonian, another Bundy son, Ryan, laid out the militants' demands: that the Hammonds be released and that the surrounding federal lands be ceded to local control.

"The best possible outcome is that the ranchers that have been kicked out of the area... will come back and reclaim their land, and the wildlife refuge will be shut down forever and the federal government will relinquish such control," Ryan Bundy said. He added, "What we're doing is not rebellious. What we're doing is in accordance with the Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land."


www.rollingstone.com...

It is a proven fact that the Feds have abused their power for a long time.

Apparently The Feds want revenge for the bundy's stand off and that is why these two men were sentenced twice.

This was a way for the Feds to demonstrate we have the power. What a bunch of cry babies, is all I can say about the Feds trying their best to get their revenge.



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 11:26 PM
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a reply to: Informer1958

No, it was not a protest. Ammon Bundy's words stand on their own.

You quote line after line which does not address Ammon Bundy's statement of why they are there.

Also, please quote the portion of the Constitution that says that citizens can break the law as they feel like it.

It is your opinion that "the Feds have abused their power."

It is your opinion that "the Feds want revenge"

It is your blatant and continuing mistake that the Hammonds were "sentenced twice."

"Cry babies." Like begging for snacks and socks a week into their "occupation for years"???

Not to mention ... Grand jury indicts 16 people for Oregon refuge occupation, including four holdouts still there

Speaking of the actual Constitution ... are the People of Oregon also known for abusing their power? Do they also want revenge against the Bundy Gang?




The Harney County Court released a statement this week in response to the group’s request that its three members — a judge and two commissioners — resign along with Ward, saying: “All four individuals decline the request.”

The Oregon State Sheriffs’ Association, which has publicly supported Ward, said Thursday that it did not stand by people who it described as arming themselves, breaking into publicly owned buildings and intimidating and harassing local residents and officials.

“These men and women are asking for change, and we support their right to challenge our government to make change,” the association said in a statement. “However, we do not agree with or support any citizen or elected official who would advocate for change in a manner that includes illegal action, threats of violence, or violence against any citizen of the United States.”

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posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 11:30 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: xuenchen

Anything?
www.cnn.com...

"Due to escalating tensions, the cattle have been released from the enclosures in order to avoid violence and help restore order," the BLM said in a prepared statement.


This is an example of backing up a claim made.


I knew the official MSM reports would cloud your thinking.




posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 11:31 PM
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originally posted by: Informer1958
The cost


ah ha, so that explains it, i kept wondering why the federal government was over reacting and shutting down business that were no where near the scene as things were unfolding. this explains it, they wanted to rack up a high dollar amount to pin it as blame on the protesters, another way of convincing the populace that what they were doing was wrong.

im sure we will hear the media harp on this loss of dollars far more then we have heard the media harp on how the federal government has outright admitted to loosing LOOSING over TEN TRILLION dollars in the last 16 years alone...

considering the scale of things id say we have more to worry about the FED then these protesters as far as money loss goes.....



www.youtube.com...
crooksandliars.com...
finance.yahoo.com...
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posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 11:41 PM
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a reply to: Informer1958

Now these idiots want people to pay for their legal fees? Did they not know what they were getting into because it sure doesn't seem like it. From asking to send supplies and now money for their legal fees, why do you take them seriously? What have they accomplished? One man dead, two men still in prison, and now they have friends coming soon. They've cost the taxpayers over 250k so far and soon they'll be forgotten.

When they asked for supplies some people sent them adult toys and gallons of lube.
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posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 11:43 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: xuenchen

Anything?
www.cnn.com...

"Due to escalating tensions, the cattle have been released from the enclosures in order to avoid violence and help restore order," the BLM said in a prepared statement.


This is an example of backing up a claim made.


I knew the official MSM reports would cloud your thinking.



That's such a worn-out ridiculous non sequitur.

Are you claiming that BLM didn't make the quote listed?



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 11:45 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Which is why I asked for you to source what you were saying.
But as per usual, nothing but silly games from you.



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 11:45 PM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: Informer1958

Now these idiots want people to pay for their legal fees? Did they not know what they were getting into because it sure doesn't seem like it. From asking to send supplies and now money for their legal fees, why do you take them seriously? What have they accomplished? One man dead, two men still in prison, and now they have friends coming soon. They've cost the taxpayers over 250k so far and soon they'll be forgotten.

When they asked for supplies some people sent them adult toys and gallons of lube.


Maybe they can sell the sex toys and personal lubricant that the public has so kindly donated on eBay?

I mean, there are real possibilities here.



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 11:47 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

I support this idea.



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 11:49 PM
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a reply to: Sremmos80

The claims are not mine....

Source



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However, there was a problem with that plan -- few in Nevada would touch Bundy's cattle for fear of being blacklisted.

"The sale yards are very nervous about taking what in the past has been basically stolen cattle from the federal government," Nevada Agriculture Commissioner Ramona Morrison said.

Documents show the BLM paid a Utah cattle wrangler $966,000 to collect Bundy's cattle and a Utah auctioneer to sell them. However, Utah Gov. Gary Herbert refused to let Bundy cattle cross state lines, saying in a letter: "As Governor of Utah, I urgently request that a herd of cattle seized by the Bureau of Land Management from Mr. Cliven Bundy of Bunkerville, Nevada, not be sent to Utah. There are serious concerns about human safety and animal health and well-being, if these animals are shipped to and sold in Utah."
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posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 11:57 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Wait, so you tell him the official MSM reports he reads clouds his mind but then you link Fox News as your source?


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posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 12:03 AM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: Informer1958

Now these idiots want people to pay for their legal fees? Did they not know what they were getting into because it sure doesn't seem like it. From asking to send supplies and now money for their legal fees, why do you take them seriously? What have they accomplished? One man dead, two men still in prison, and now they have friends coming soon. They've cost the taxpayers over 250k so far and soon they'll be forgotten.

When they asked for supplies some people sent them adult toys and gallons of lube.


Where are all the like-minded lawyers that would defend the "patriots" pro bono? Maybe all that lube is necessary when lawyers are involved.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 03:07 AM
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a reply to: pteridine

Most of them immediately accepted their Federal public defenders because ... yeah, that makes sense.

Ammon Bundy requires a higher-profile, far more expensive set of lawyers. And chooses to beg the public for help instead of paying his own bill.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 03:34 AM
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a reply to: Informer1958

They can always sell the dildos that were sent to them. And I have a rusty half-farthing I can donate.
Screw 'em. They got what they deserve - a prison cell. Let them rot.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 03:35 AM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: xuenchen

Wait, so you tell him the official MSM reports he reads clouds his mind but then you link Fox News as your source?



Beware the old fox. He frequently stirs things up. Best to not take him at all seriously.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 08:24 AM
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originally posted by: CB328



The whole thing is smelling like a classic blackmail/false-flag set up


No, it sounds like retarded Tea Partiers to me.

Thanks to right wing politics and propaganda (like talk radio) and TV and other laziness, America is now full of idiots who believe stupid things like paying a few hundred or thousand dollars to graze a herd on gov't land is tyranny, but spending $40,000 on a monster truck is smart.


Oh, you kind of mean like Occupy Wall Street?

Cuz that protest was free huh?
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posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 08:30 AM
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a reply to: Informer1958

They weren't forced to shut down by anybody but themselves, they made that decision. They should take their losses for their own actions in my opinion.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 08:36 AM
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Hopefully they are in jail by now



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 08:39 AM
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a reply to: pryingopen3rdeye

Exactly. Just like the people the feds rounded up to talk about how detrimental the government shutdown was on their lives, while they blamed it on Republicans.



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