More Black Lives Matter members caught faking a hate crime

originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

Yeah, but a nation-wide movement cannot be blamed for the behavior of some of self-described members..

Are you kidding me? This is the STANDARD for the media and left's treatment of the right.

How crazy is it that the Tea Party was demonized pretty much 24/7 for several years and they didn't do anything even remotely approaching the activities of BLM. If nothing else, it really exposes our national press for what they are, left wing activists.

Even if what you say is true, how does that make it right or logical to do the same with BLM? Two wrongs don't make a right.

Also, the Tea Party is more blamed or mocked if you will for some of it's more extreme positions.

Moreover, the right has MORE than it's share of stereotyping, generalizing, and otherwise dismissing entire groups. Look at Islam, or gays, socialists, environmentalists, etc. Many in the right, including in the right-wing media, regularly dismiss anything and everyone having to do with these things.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Here's the thing though. BLM continues to be given enormous credibility when they cry racism. Why? If they are caught faking even some of their claims, it should call into question their position of authority in these things.

Who is "they" though?

Anyone can protest holding "Black Lives Matter" signs and be a "Black Lives Matter protester." Consider another recent-ish movement, the Tea Party. If somebody lied and some "Tea Party protesters" demonstrated in support of the liar, would that discredit all Tea Partiers in your mind?

Even if every single BLM protester was proven a liar tomorrow, it wouldn't change reality. I do believe that perhaps the message needs to be changed because it's not enough to protest against "racism." Ultimately, the real problem is economic disparity along racial lines not the minority of individuals who are truly racist. If you take just a couple hours of your life and do a bit of light research, it's pretty obvious how we got to where we are today. Simply follow the levels of educational attainment and wage ratios of blacks vs their white counterparts through the 20th century. What you'll find is that as a group, black people were making great strides (sometimes stymied temporarily by economic downturns) toward equality right until the bottom fell out of manufacturing employment and that trend abruptly reversed.

If as a nation we really want to fix race relations, we need to improve the job situation greatly.

a reply to: theantediluvian

The point being made is that these things were done to certain groups.

Those groups were completely dismissed by certain other people, likely some debating in defense of BLM, because some of their elements either did or were perceived to have done things that were then used as a pretext to delegitimize the entire group or movement.

Those same people are now going to defend BLM and dismiss these people who are faking an incident for BLM in much the same manner that people who defended those other groups also defended those groups.

It is hypocrisy.

We either dismiss the entire group based on the actions of some of its adherents or we do not, but you cannot have it both ways. I can accept this was a fringe of some supporters depending on who the larger movement handles it. We will see. That still does not change my feeling that BLM falls outside my definition of a legitimate group movement, but maybe they want to man up and censure this group.

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

It's kinda like fake rape accusations are documented, but the rate of such compared to the real thing is low statistically..

Except that a special category of crime was created just for racist crimes. The general thinking has turned into any crime against a black is a hate crime.Time to start making people pay for falsely reporting a hate crime. Lets face it these days just the accusation of a crime makes you guilty in the eye's of the public. Being from the area this happened in I can tell you that it is not uncommon to see blacks behaving badly and trying to deflect from their bad behavior.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: theantediluvian

The point being made is that these things were done to certain groups.

Those groups were completely dismissed by certain other people, likely some debating in defense of BLM, because some of their elements either did or were perceived to have done things that were then used as a pretext to delegitimize the entire group or movement.

Those same people are now going to defend BLM and dismiss these people who are faking an incident for BLM in much the same manner that people who defended those other groups also defended those groups.

It is hypocrisy.

We either dismiss the entire group based on the actions of some of its adherents or we do not, but you cannot have it both ways. I can accept this was a fringe of some supporters depending on who the larger movement handles it. We will see. That still does not change my feeling that BLM falls outside my definition of a legitimate group movement, but maybe they want to man up and censure this group.

No, no it is NOT hypocrisy in this case. For example, I never dismissed all conservatives, nor all Republicans, nor all Christians, nor any number of groups you might identify with. Therefore, it is not hypocrisy for me to ask you not to dismiss all of BLM. See.

You are making the mistake of identifying me with some ambiguous group of leftists who you perceived dismissed a group you identify with.

Are there some left-wingers that does this? of course! Are there some right-wingers that do this? Of course!

originally posted by: hangedman13
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

It's kinda like fake rape accusations are documented, but the rate of such compared to the real thing is low statistically..

Except that a special category of crime was created just for racist crimes. The general thinking has turned into any crime against a black is a hate crime.Time to start making people pay for falsely reporting a hate crime. Lets face it these days just the accusation of a crime makes you guilty in the eye's of the public. Being from the area this happened in I can tell you that it is not uncommon to see blacks behaving badly and trying to deflect from their bad behavior.

There are a couple of things here.

First, I agree with you that our culture is going too far with the whole identify politics thing. I agree with you that it is getting to the point that with charges of sexism, racism, or rape, someone almost is guilty until proven innocent rather than the other way around. That is problematic. I've noticed this myself as I work in very liberal, very social justice-centric environments. White people and men shouldn't be able to be arbitrarily accused of any of it. I've seen first hand people say such things to win an argument.

Secondly, in actuality if you look at hate crime statistics non-whites are charged with them too. However, to hear the media tell it only whites can do it.

Thirdly, some black people may deflect from their behavior, but so do lots of non-black people. Lots of people generally will use whatever manipulations they can. So in our current culture SOME minorities will use "racism" or "white privilege" to deflect in a given situation.

None of this, however, detracts from the real principles of social justice. It just shows we need to be careful and take everything on a case by case basis.

originally posted by: tadaman

Like they are freaking victims because they may be treated like crap. I honestly dont care. Idiots care and make others into idiots or make them care superficially.

a reply to: TheBulk

Black Lives Matter does not represent "Black" people. The group is funded by George Soros and filled with "Black" Americans ignorant of its ulterior motives. They are being used and its true purpose is to divert and misrepresent the agenda of "Black" people. Racism is a real system that has never been abolished, only enhanced through the years. Racism is not limited to an individual... it is a SYSTEM that most Americans willingly participate in. Racism can be expressed through verbal outrage but is not limited to those expressions. The most powerful aspects of racism can be seen in the judicial, political, economic, and educational processes used in all countries where "White" supremacy has been established. Ignoring this truth makes you a willing participant, therefore it can be said that you are racist if you refuse to acknowledge and attack this unfair system.

The amount of apathy on this thread and others on this site concerning racial problems is disgusting. When you say, "I don't care," you are sticking your head in the sand out of an unwillingness to face the truth. When millions of people are saying that they are treated unjustly and you are in denial of this, you might want to keep your comments to yourself because there's something that you don't understand here. "Black" people don't have to go looking for racism and statistics will prove my point. Every "Black" person I've ever encountered has been victimized racially in one way or another; some choose to speak on it and most keep it to themselves out of FEAR. Maybe persons of other ethnicities or identities have to go looking but millions of "Black" people believe the narrative that racism doesn't exist- until they encounter it, which is bound to happen.

Not only are "Black" people victimized verbally and physically, we are victimized legally and psychologically. We are educated about American history with rarely any notice of "Black" people's impact on it. We are taught world history through the same lens. We are funneled into stereotypes of being stupid and/or lazy by people who cannot understand our intelligence or appreciate our work ethic. We are consistently targeted by police, we are consistently targeted by policies, we are consistently neglected by politicians, we are consistently lied to and excluded- not because of the color of our skin but because of the attributes and stereotypes that our skin color carries.

I sift through forums where people theorize the existence of Bigfoot, extraterrestrials, subterranean species, Nibiru, apocalypse, political scandals, advanced technologies, etc. and I can't help but laugh. The same people who quote that they Deny Ignorance will shallowly brush off any notion that racism is still alive and well. The same people who were paid reparations for their plight in Germany will scoff at the notion that "Blacks" should also be compensated. The people who literally built their wealth off of being destructive and lazy will wonder why "Blacks" are in the condition they are in collectively. This site has really become an embarrassment to its slogan.

Once again, Black Lives Matter does not represent Black people. It is being used by rich "White" people (once again) to confuse and control the masses. Their existence has nothing to do with attacking the real system of racism that exists. And as long as you focus on them, they have succeeded in fulfilling their purpose.

Source: An aware "Black" American.

a reply to: prepared4truth

With all due respect sir /maam, I didnt mean to offend, though if you were then I am sorry. Thats that as far as I am concerned.

Now, as a father of mixed race children, husband to a woman of different ethnicity than my mothers, I can laugh at any "hidden" or undetected racism you detect on my part. I am no willing or unwilling participant. Like I said I dont tolerate racism in my presence.

If you meant that generally then I still disagree. A racist extremist would probably be a huge asshole to anyone for what ever reason who is not like him. A white New Yorker in some parts of the south could find himself in allot of trouble for just being around. Stupid transcends all boundaries.

I will not live my life pretending that racist people are not sporting all sorts of complexions. I simply dont see the benefit of the victim mentality. If something is terrible just say so. Normal people everywhere will stand with you. There is no need to take more concerted efforts beyond those that are worth while and useful.

I am not criticizing anyone who may feel so passionate about any issue like racism or any injustice as to take up more burden upon themselves. I admire that and respect it.

I simply dont like the way things turn out lately. There is no leader, just a multiplicity of voices not all in agreement.It always gets hijacked and turned into useless wasted energy. That when just being real has gotten everyone where they are now.

So keep on keepin. I am not a closet racist for not sharing a passion for something I have very much squared away. I know my way of doing my part. I dont have the same conviction as others when it comes to ending racism or even curbing it. I would rather live well and take the rest as it really is, which is as organized thought. Again, just my opinion that I know can be wrong.

have a good one
Hold it down.

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Just like, the NRA cannot be blamed because some school shooter may hold an NRA card.

A very good point!

If anyone has it, I'd actually be quite interested in any statistics about the number of "mass shooters" who were (i) members of, or (ii) otherwise actively supported, the NRA.

a reply to: tadaman

I was not accusing you of being a closet racist. I was accusing you of being apathetic, if anything. My post was more so directed at ATS in general- there seems to be a complete denial of racial precedence. We want to live in a colorblind world so badly yet we refuse to clean up the mess we made while we WEREN'T colorblind.

I agree that our multiplicity is a problem and I assert that it comes out of the Black community's dependence on government for the last couple of decades. Any time that one of our leaders is successful in unifying a majority of "Black" voices, the movement is dissipated and the leader killed by the same government we depend on. These incidents are more than mere conspiracy theories; they are more often than not conspiracy facts.

I do find it interesting, however, that many White people tend to react defensively and take comments/opinions personally when it comes to these matters. If you have done nothing wrong, there should be no guilt and any person who sincerely cares about fixing these problems won't try to make you feel guilty. But understand that there are still problems (often more complex at this point) and they won't go away by people just saying, "Forget about it," and the like.

We can fix it by addressing the system, not some individual extremist or group who doesn't really know what they are doing.

And of course the bottom feeding race baiting liar herself Hillary Clinton already tried to capitalize off of this fabricated nonsense. Absolutely disgusting. ~$heopleNation

a reply to: prepared4truth

We can fix it by addressing the system, not some individual extremist or group who doesn't really know what they are doing.

I absolutely agree. There is always a root to a problem within a system. If the whole system is problematic then look to the root of the system tree. Didnt a vote to audit the federal reserve get turned down by 60 something senators? yeah things like that. I am so much more worried about the root of why things like that happen as it is probably the systemic root of other issues like racism. I do see what you say and take no issue. You are right.

Have a good one
Hold it down.

originally posted by: Slanter
Assholes exist in all races, If they lied they'll get punished.

this doesn't mean "Black lives matter" doesn't matter.

There has been a handful of false accusations of racism against different police officers lately.

Although video exists to disprove the allegations, no charges have been filed for filing a false report.

So in other words, I won't hold my breath.

Notice that there is nowhere near the interest in this story as there would be if no surveillance video existed?

a reply to: tadaman

Understood.

I used to be in a Ska band called "Honkey Heroes" with 2 Japanese brothers.

You cant explain that either!

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Sure it can! That's what BLM does! They attack and/or vilify entire demographics. Also, people blame the NRA for everything... in case you've been living under a rock. What a completely ignorant statement. Christians, Tea Party, GOP? Really??? I hear judgments cast against people who ascribe to conservative values ALL. THE. TIME. Not just online. In real life, with people I know. People that consider themselves to be tolerant and accepting people, who are actually much more judgmental and excluding than those they criticize.
This isn't the first time BLM has done this. It's practically every time. But, at what point is a movement no longer ethically valid?

a reply to: TorqueyThePig

It's racist to accuse someone of being racist.

originally posted by: EvillerBob

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Just like, the NRA cannot be blamed because some school shooter may hold an NRA card.

A very good point!

If anyone has it, I'd actually be quite interested in any statistics about the number of "mass shooters" who were (i) members of, or (ii) otherwise actively supported, the NRA.

Why would you be interested in something you just agreed was irrelevant?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Here's the thing though. BLM continues to be given enormous credibility when they cry racism. Why? If they are caught faking even some of their claims, it should call into question their position of authority in these things.

It is given enormous credibility because that is what keeps American Citizens occupied while the TPTB slowly rape and rob us.

Racially divisive issues are a perfect tranquilizer because racism is prominent and personal. Standard operating procedure for American media.