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Grand Jury Indicts 16 In Connection With Oregon Occupation

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posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 06:51 AM
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Grand Jury Indicts 16 In Connection With Oregon Occupation


In early January, occupiers of a wildlife refuge in eastern Oregon mulled how the siege would end and what would become of them, including facing prison or dying.

What they did not anticipate was an apparent splinter group of armed occupiers ignoring their pleas and refusing to leave the remote Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

Now frustration is mounting as the holdouts cloud the fate of nine former occupiers in custody, charged with conspiracy to impede federal officers. Two others were released on condition that they wear tracking devices as they await trial.

A judge has cited the continuing standoff as a major obstacle to the release of at least some of those who remain in custody.


So it seems like the four dudes still holding out in Oregon are really screwing up the people who have been arrested's chances to to be released.


"I can only say that it does impact everyone's chance at release," said Kohlmetz, whose client remained briefly at the refuge after state police shot one protester dead and arrested several others, including leader Ammon Bundy on Jan. 26.

From jail, Bundy asked through his attorney for the remaining occupiers to stand down, and Patrick was arrested soon after.

But the holdouts have ignored that plea, as Federal Bureau of Investigation agents and Oregon law enforcement continue to block access to the refuge 30 miles (48 km) from Burns in the state's rural east.

At a court hearing on Wednesday for Bundy and the other defendants, prosecutors revealed they had obtained a grand jury indictment against 16 people, including the defendants, said Bundy's attorney Mike Arnold.


So now a Grand Jury has indicted 16 of these guys. More info to come I guess, but it's not looking good for the Oregon protesters. No surprise there really. This whole conflict was bound to end poorly for them. They pushed their luck too far going off of the standoff from last year and ended up biting off more than they can chew. Now the holdouts are whining that the feds need to let them leave without being arrested. LOL. Break a ton of laws and then the feds should just let you go home free of charge. Yeah THAT'S totally going to happen.




posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 07:04 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Interesting enough, I was just reading on another thread about the condition of Finicums body when returning home. There seems to be a Lhit Soad of info / disinfo, spawning from this ordeal; we know these guys are a buck of tool bags, and I am holding out for a safe ending ( for the community that has put up w/these delta bravos )

People are so quick to site on the occupiers side. We stI'll don't have all of the facts. We do know they are all facing federal charges and they are begging for the freedom that they have/will soon lose....

Bafoons, at best.....

Nice find, KrA!!!




posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 07:13 AM
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Ironic that these militia / patriots, who scream about liberty while accusing the government of breaking the law, do they very thing they accuse the government of doing.

How did they think this was going to end?
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posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 07:14 AM
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a reply to: ReadLeader

Yea, I don't have any sympathy for these guys. I can't believe that the killing of Finicum has warped into this goofy ass conspiracy myself. Why execute only one person? Especially after letting them sit undisturbed for so long on the nature preserve? It doesn't make any sense. Sometimes a spade is just a spade and too many are trying SOOOO hard to see more than what is really there under the guise of "suspicion" and "skepticism". But it's really just a narrow viewpoint that shows that they cannot accept that it is possible for the government to have performed the correct actions.

Sure its unfortunate that Finicum died, but it happens. These guys were armed protesters. That's what happens when you escalate a situation with guns, people die. Why is this so damn surprising? Even the people who claim they weren't armed at the time are missing the point. The authorities didn't know how armed they were. For all they knew, they were armed to the teeth.



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 07:28 AM
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If anything it highlights the corruption within the legal system

The Judge is withholding judgement until others not currently under judgement give up

That's not how the system is supposed to work

These Judges should be fired for the crap they're trying to pull withholding their judgements as a ransom using it as a tool to try and force the 4 left to give up.

The Judges should be able to Judge on those in custody WITHOUT needing the other 4 to give up it just stinks of conspiracy.



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 07:32 AM
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a reply to: Discotech

According to what legal knowledge are you basing this prognosis on exactly?



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 07:46 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

The only reason the judge is using this as an excuse is because the feds are trying anything to get it over with

You don't need any legal knowledge to know that a Judge is supposed to be impartial and not judge a person based on the actions of another

IF you think it's okay for judges to judge people for the actions of others then you're a fool



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 07:46 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t
This is the correct way, in a court of law, to deal with legal issues in America, especially in matters of the state versus citizens.

I am at a loss as to why this could not have been carried out in this way with Finicum instead of killing him. Now we have a judge threatening to hold the prisoners until the occupiers capitulate. Its like something out of a (really bad) western movie.

I thought the law and legal system was righteous and not based on covert blackmail.


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posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 07:47 AM
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a reply to: Discotech

Who is he judging exactly? There haven't been any official verdicts handed down.



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 07:50 AM
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originally posted by: TheForced
a reply to: Krazysh0t
This is the correct way, in a court of law, to deal with legal issues in America, especially in matters of the state versus citizens.

I am at a loss as to why this could not have been carried out in this way with Finicum instead of killing him. Now we have a judge threatening to hold the prisoners until the occupiers capitulate. Its like something out of a (really bad) western movie.

I thought the law and legal system was righteous and not based on covert blackmail.



The four holdouts are currently refusing to leave and DEMANDING that the federal government let them leave without being arrested and charged with any felonies. Something that is never going to happen. This means that the only option left is quickly going to be for the police to go in hot and people will die.

OR they can try something peaceful like this to get them out. Why does every little thing the state does have to feed into the narrative of corruption and mishandling?



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 07:51 AM
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originally posted by: Discotech
If anything it highlights the corruption within the legal system

The Judge is withholding judgement until others not currently under judgement give up

That's not how the system is supposed to work

These Judges should be fired for the crap they're trying to pull withholding their judgements as a ransom using it as a tool to try and force the 4 left to give up.

The Judges should be able to Judge on those in custody WITHOUT needing the other 4 to give up it just stinks of conspiracy.


Im not a law scholar in the least, but after giving it some thought, I reckon they cant release anyone due to the risk of them rejoining those still occupying, so they'll be held until that risk is mitigated. Thus, those being held are frustrated, because this is essentially over....the occupation that is.



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 08:07 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

These guys were armed protesters.


So quickly forgotten! Not to mention,

The four holdouts are currently refusing to leave and DEMANDING that the federal government let them leave without being arrested and charged with any felonies.


These two factoids alone ^ earase any credibility that they may have ever had on the first place;(

The bottom line is that they were all billy bAd bad @$$ a month or so ago; now they have their tails between their legs. One soul is dead, (I still cant find any source on 'lasers' or body disfigurement) and there may very possibly be more bloodshed in the future...

We are in the U.S.A. If they do not want to play by the rules, get the hell out... Who is in charge anyway?

These boys (and girls) need to play fair, or.....wait nvrmnd,

I still love the footnote at the bottom of one of our memebers sig-

Play stupid games, Win stupid prizes, (or sumthin)






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posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 08:19 AM
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originally posted by: ReadLeader
We are in the U.S.A. If they do not want to play by the rules, get the hell out... Who is in charge anyway?


If your ancestors had played by the rules in 1775, you would not have a USA as you know it

Your nations history is built upon not playing by the rules

You can harp all you like about how these protesters are evil and criminals

BUT answer me this,

how many people have they harmed ?

Who was it who killed Lavoy Finicum ?

a reply to: six67seven

That's a pretty poor excuse considering nobody has been able to reach the reserve since the FBI put up their roadblocks



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 08:22 AM
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a reply to: ReadLeader

They sound like spoiled children to me.



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 08:26 AM
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originally posted by: Discotech

how many people have they harmed ?

Who was it who killed Lavoy Finicum ?


This isn't a zero sum contest here. They brought guns to a conflict. When you bring guns, you need to be prepared to die.



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 08:41 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Discotech

how many people have they harmed ?

Who was it who killed Lavoy Finicum ?


This isn't a zero sum contest here. They brought guns to a conflict. When you bring guns, you need to be prepared to die.


These because it is smart to resist people with guns, when you don't have guns right?

How did that work out in China for the college kids?

Oh right it was a massacre!



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 08:42 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

They brought guns and never fired a shot and it wasn't a conflict, it was a protest

But you keep believing they're evil criminals, twisting their story and be part of the problem to the corrupt unjust world we live in, instead of attempting to be a solution

I guess you enjoy living the life of a submissive though so it's ideal for you



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 08:47 AM
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a reply to: Sargeras

Fine, but don't act all surprised and shocked when someone winds up dead.



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 08:49 AM
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a reply to: Discotech

Not at all and the judge is not prejudging anyone. What he has done is denied bail, preventing those in custody from being able to talk to people still holding out.



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 08:49 AM
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a reply to: Discotech

Just curious: what exactly have they done to be part of any solution?

Many here are quick to put these folks up on a pedestal next to Thomas Paine, Sam Adams, and any number of other Patriots. Yet I, personally, have a far easier time understanding what those fellas a couple hundred years ago were on about than I do anybody involved in this Oregon business.

Before you answer, please bear in mind that just because I don't get what these dudes are doing, that does not necessarily mean I'm ready to be a cheerleader for the government. For some reason, that seems to be the default setting among ats members when it comes to this whole situation: if you aren't supporting any and everything Oregon militia, you're obviously a government lover.

Or a submissive, apparently?



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