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Well, of course ATS has a lot of liberal members!

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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 10:59 AM
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I saw a post the other day wondering if ATS is just a gathering place for democrats - Well, the answer is not quite as simple as that. First, why people define others and themselves within the broken partisan system still, I'm not quite sure, but let's go into some of the reasons ATS might be liberal-in-thought on many of the issues.

Let's go over the motto here - "Deny Ignorance "

Now, when talking about some modern issues, let's define "ignorance": Here are some things I believe to be ignorant - This is keeping in mind the constitution, logical reasoning, modern society, law, etc:

Anti-gay discrimination.
Minority discrimination.
Racism/Bigotry
Infringement of privacy concerning health, sexual relations/preference, religion.
State-sponsored religion.
Disagreeing with separation of church and state
Denying beyond-a-shadow-of-a-doubt scientific evidence.

Now, the list above - In my own opinion, according to logic, modern society, according to laws, and within the constitution itself, are forms of ignorance. As such, we, here at ats, according to our own motto, seek to ( or should seek to ) reject being ignorant, with at least some of the forms above included.

Now, being accepting of gays and other minorities, upholding the constitution in these ways, logically accepting scientific data.. These may paint you as a liberal, and if this is all that defines a liberal - I'm proud to be branded one!

On the other hand? ATS is NOT full of extreme left-wing progressive atheistic democratic socialistic commies, like some would like to think.

Look up how many stars and flags posts on God and religion receive.
Look at the discussion on firearms. This community is VERY pro-second amendment.
Look at how many people speak of religion, spirituality, christianity, and the like.
Look at how many have their own personal ideas/opinions yet don't force them on others.

My analysis ?

We have people of all sorts who mingle here - people who have learned to deny ignorance and reject the ways of their parents - for instance. We have a great and diverse community in my opinion.

Plenty of straight, pro-life, christian/religious people have opinions that apply to them.

I.E. They are against abortion, and would never get one/support their partner having one
BUT
They respect the rights of others to make own decisions about their own health, and believe in our constitutional right of privacy.

I fall into this category myself.

Point being?

I do not believe ATS to be as liberal/left leaning as some imply. Tolerance/acceptance of others, and upholding the constitution as our forefathers wrote it does not fall to a specific party, it's an individuals choices and actions that shape them, and there's no way to define everyone within this far too old two-party system created to divide us.

Thanks for reading, hope ya'll have a good mid-week.

-Deadlyhope


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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 11:03 AM
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It all boils down to whatever floats your boat.

I am sticking to what I posted and have nothing else
to say on this topic.
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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 11:04 AM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

One small problem I have.

I just can't call anyone who disagrees with me, "ignorant".

Everyone has opinions. Just because they differ from mine, doesn't make them ignorant. And in the same vein, just because I may disagree with you, doesn't make ME, "ignorant".

I just have a different opinion.


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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 11:07 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
I just can't call anyone who disagrees with me, "ignorant".


All people are ignorant about some things, some people are stupid. You can't fix stupid.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 11:08 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

I'm writing my opinion on what this websites "Deny ignorance" means.

You just apparently depicted it as.. Not meaning anything. It's a free for all on what ignorance covers.

I have my own opinion, as stated in my own OP.

I respect your opinion, though.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 11:10 AM
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originally posted by: yeahright

originally posted by: DBCowboy
I just can't call anyone who disagrees with me, "ignorant".


All people are ignorant about some things, some people are stupid. You can't fix stupid.


Very rare that you'll find someone online who admits to being ignorant.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 11:11 AM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

And in no way would I ever want to infringe on your rights to express your opinion.

I just have a different take on things.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 11:11 AM
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a reply to: mamabeth

In some of these instances..it's not just whatever "floats my boat"

Fact? We have a right to privacy.
Fact? We have the right to practice any non-harming religion we please.
Fact? We have the right to speak about said topics however we'd like, but to actually write legislation contrary to those, any attempt to strip away those rights is illegal, it's wrong, and people far smarter and greater than me would call it ignorant.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 11:11 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Cool, no arguments here



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 11:15 AM
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There are lots of conservatives here on ATS, this is clear with the number of threads made in support of Trump and also those that are anti-Democrat.

I think it's a healthy mix and a fair reflection on society in general.


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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 11:15 AM
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" denying without a shadow of a doubt scientific evidence "....

Pray tell, what in science is there irrefutable evidence of?

Because everything in science is questionable, that is how science works.

If we didn't question science, we wouldn't have the modern world.

Just a thought.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 11:18 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

It's even rarer for the truly stupid to self-identify. Usually the ones who claim to be, aren't. Funny how that works.

For the record, truly stupid don't venture here much, and when they do, don't last long. I can tolerate the stupid. It's when they're belligerent about it that causes the issue.

I don't see a lot of "I'm ignorant" posts, but we do see a lot of "explain this to me" or "help me out here" stuff which is by definition, an admittance of ignorance. The stupidest people are the ones who think they know everything.

The more you learn, the more you realize how far we have to go. The more information you have, the less certain you become.

IMO. YMMV. And stuff.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 11:18 AM
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a reply to: Cobaltic1978

I wouldn't say there's a lot of people here that are republican/conservative/really far right - In accordance with policies they think should apply to everyone, for instance. Maybe I'm wrong, and in fact ignorant myself on the topic XD But I've seen plenty of religious/conservative people be liberal in some ways.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 11:21 AM
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a reply to: Sargeras

Climate change.
Evolution. ( as applicable to animals, at the least - I'm not touching human evolution here )
A world older than 6000 years...

I'm a christian and believe in the Bible, yet refute some of the things others say - When there's very, very strong evidence against their beliefs ( Which beliefs have nothing to do with God, the afterlife, morality.. Just some weird number of years the earth supposedly has existed? )

I do agree with you though, we still always need to question things, otherwise we wouldn't further learn.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 11:22 AM
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There seems to be two types of people in the world, conservatives and progressives.
One hunts, the other gathers.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 11:24 AM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

Brilliantly said and I agree with it 100% S&F!



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 11:26 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: deadlyhope

One small problem I have.

I just can't call anyone who disagrees with me, "ignorant".

Everyone has opinions. Just because they differ from mine, doesn't make them ignorant. And in the same vein, just because I may disagree with you, doesn't make ME, "ignorant".

I just have a different opinion.


The definition of "ignorant" is not knowing about something. There is nothing wrong with admitting your ignorance. Being called ignorant also shouldn't always be taken as an insult. Being called ignorant isn't being called stupid. You can correct ignorance by studying.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 11:28 AM
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originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: Sargeras

Climate change.
Evolution. ( as applicable to animals, at the least - I'm not touching human evolution here )
A world older than 6000 years...

I'm a christian and believe in the Bible, yet refute some of the things others say - When there's very, very strong evidence against their beliefs ( Which beliefs have nothing to do with God, the afterlife, morality.. Just some weird number of years the earth supposedly has existed? )

I do agree with you though, we still always need to question things, otherwise we wouldn't further learn.


Well, as far as the earth goes, we know for a fact it is older than 6,000 years.

It takes longer than that for the sediment to stone, and there are thousands of layers...

Uranium has a 10,000 year half life, it decays into lead.

We have X amount of uranium and X amount of lead on earth, simple math says way older than 6,000 years.

We have more than 6,000 years of recorded human history, that alone is proof enough.

Global warming..... Far from irrefutable proof of that.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 11:29 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Agreed - "Ignorant" has taken on a very negative connotation - while we are ALL ignorant in our own ways.

How many people know cultures/customs of all other countries? I'd say just about none. This makes us all ignorant of certain customs of other nations - Nothing wrong with this! No one has all of the knowledge in the world...

However, if you plan a long/extended stay in another country and learn nothing of it's culture/customs, and act repulsive while there, I'd call that slightly more than ignorant XD But for the sake of this thread, I digress.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 11:30 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: deadlyhope
I just can't call anyone who disagrees with me, "ignorant".

Everyone has opinions. Just because they differ from mine, doesn't make them ignorant. And in the same vein, just because I may disagree with you, doesn't make ME, "ignorant".

Lots of people don't simply disagree with opinions though, lots of them disagree with facts; and that definitely makes them ignorant.



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