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An Advocate for Rape? or just exercising his right to Free Speech ? You decide

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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 11:03 AM
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a reply to: cosmickat

I saw this guys story on FB and it really struck a nerve with me... First off, who does this scumbag think he is? Second, how is he still walking around? I heard a lynch mob almost got a hold of him once they found out who he was, but he snaked away... I do believe Karma will come to this guy, in the form of _____________ ,well, I'm pretty sure ill be breaking T&C and getting yelled at by a mod if I write what i want to there....
edit on 3-2-2016 by jhn7537 because: (no reason given)




posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 11:35 AM
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a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

I agree with some of your points, and my OP was not a platform for man bashing in any way. I would stand up for the defense of a man wrongly accused of rape just as fiercely as I would condemn this " Pick up Artist's " philosophies.

In your scenario regarding no means no laws..at what point should the guy feel confident that he has been given the green light? is it at the bar, over the first few drinks...or in fact ..to quote what you said " a woman comes on to man in a bar " ? is this it ? By coming on to a man..what specifically do you mean? Flirtatious behavior ? Smiling ? Engaging the opposite sex in a kind of witty and flirtatious manner does not and should not always lead to the end of your scenario where she is " naked and spread eagle " and only then says no. But if she did..are you saying that she cannot refuse ?

You mentioned the " power of sexual arousal " as if it is a defense. " Well I was good to go by that point and if she wasn't.... oh well !! Too late now ! "

Men have control, and the ones that do not are rapists. It is no defense to say I was so aroused..i couldn't help myself.

Further on you again go back to this " come on " phrase, this time in your scenario of a 16 year old boy with a 15 year old girl.
My question to you again is ..why ? in your scenarios is it the female who is initiating sexual intercourse, with a " come on "
and also what constitutes a " come on " in your opinion.

I must admit that I don't really get your concept of justice as regards the no means no laws. No does mean no. I don't believe that the scales of justice are tipped against men who would claim, she come on to me or I was too aroused to control my natural urges.

The rules of engagement between the sexes are pretty straight forward, just because you think she might say yes doesn't mean she cannot say no.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 11:39 AM
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originally posted by: TheTory
Sure his ideas are silly, but banning him from countries for the crime of words and thoughts is far more dangerous. It would be easier, and far more helpful to civilization in general, to refute his words and thoughts with your own, rather than advocating violence or the state denial of rights.


This I agree with. People should be allowed to say whatever they like without exception. There's more than enough sensible people in the world that can debate an idea like this and show everyone what a nipple he is.

When you set about censoring everything it just makes it seem cooler, edgier and more attractive to morons.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 11:43 AM
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These douchbags have been told they are not welcome in a few major Canadian cities via the mayors..not sure and I doubt if "banned"
Sounds to me like they are encouraging illegal acts, not sure how legal it should be free speech notwithstanding. Say what you want but don't think there aren't possible repercussions.
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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 11:50 AM
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I actually came across this earlier today and thought it was a hoax. Then I went to one of the websites or something he had setup and read the comments. Saw the locations. Saw the amount of people expected to be at each location. Read the do not bring your cell phones or credit cards, wear non-identifiable clothes, pay for everything in cash guidelines he was giving. They are meeting somewhere first, giving a code phrase, then moving on somewhere else later.

It's rather disgusting.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 12:24 PM
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a reply to: cosmickat

In my opinion, a woman may change her mind right up to, and during the act of lovemaking. However, in the event that a change of mind occurs mid way through the physical union, there is no guilty party, just two very embarrassed persons, one or both of whom may be rapidly clothing themselves to hide their parts, in a desperate attempt to contain the shattered pieces of their ego.

Personally speaking, I think there are some fairly obvious ways to avoid entering into a situation where it is possible for a man to mistake the signals being sent to him by a female, although it must be said that they are not popular methods, requiring as they do a certain change of lifestyle for some.

Basically, it is important to be an old fashioned sort of a person. For my part, I never consider going to bed with a woman that I am not currently in the process of falling in love with. I know that makes me a bit of a fuddy duddy when compared with other fellows of my age and generation, but I simply cannot get aroused unless I am emotionally invested in a person. That investment takes time to nurture, and it also requires reciprocation in order to flourish. This has two very important effects on whatever happens next.

First, it means that time will have been spent with the object of ones affections, and time breeds familiarity. If one is indeed familiar with the manner in which another comports themselves, their behavioural characteristics, one is better able to read the intention behind those actions and behaviours, which means that one actually gains familiarity with communicating with that other person, on a non verbal basis. Considering how much foreplay one tends to do without actually realising it (and this goes for the fellows as much as the ladies), using non verbal cues, it is necessary to learn a persons behaviour and manner, before entering into amorous situations with them, in order that one does not misread a situation to the detriment of both parties.

It also means that the lady one might express desire for, has ample opportunity to send clear signals to one, alerting one to how few universes there are, in which that lady would actually consider another date with one, let alone actually taking one to bed. Drunken fumbling with a stranger in a parking lot, or dragging a randomer back to ones home, does not allow for the sort of communication acclimatisation that is necessary for clear sexual communication to operate between two people. However, giving a woman time to express her consent or lack thereof, is not a matter of simply saying "I will be leaving the club in five minutes. If it would please you lady, would you consider getting your coat, and coming with me?".

A gentleman is never in a hurry, and more to the point, is never of a mind to hurry a woman. A gentleman ensures that his intentions are clear, and awaits decisions being made by a lady as to her position on the matter, accepting that those decisions will not be fast, and being prepared to wait an inordinate amount of time before being alerted to the content of those decisions.

To my mind, much of this modern day trouble with interpreting consent, is down to the mindless, animalistic, and morally defunct way that modern courtship works. Grinding anonymous persons in a club, getting in their cab home with them, screwing them and then having the first conversation after all that is frankly appalling behaviour, and you would not catch me up to any of that amoral and utterly valueless nonsense. It is way too fast, has no nourishing aspects other than physically, and is asking for trouble in more ways than are covered by this thread.

In short, by the time one has reached the point where there might be some manner of sexual union involved with the evenings proceedings, one ought to already have been on several dates, bumped into the lady in question around a few times, hung out all of a randomness, gone for a coffee, hung out at the library, gone to the beach, maybe had a pizza and Star Wars night, or possibly a Pasta/Mafia night (basically spaghetti of some sort, followed by, or during the Godfather on DVD)... In short, a gentleman should know the lady he is interested in, well enough by the time that sexual intercourse even becomes a subject, that he does not need a bloody flash card to work out where he stands, and it is the constant insistence on instant gratification and pointless rutting in this day and age, which causes the majority of problems discussed in this thread!



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 01:00 PM
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a reply to: mamabeth

NOT to mention; there are bars and college girls that give it away for free and W A N T to have sex; why in the # do they have to 'steal' for this sick pleasure?





posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 01:22 PM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: cosmickat

In my opinion, a woman may change her mind right up to, and during the act of lovemaking. However, in the event that a change of mind occurs mid way through the physical union, there is no guilty party, just two very embarrassed persons, one or both of whom may be rapidly clothing themselves to hide their parts, in a desperate attempt to contain the shattered pieces of their ego.

Personally speaking, I think there are some fairly obvious ways to avoid entering into a situation where it is possible for a man to mistake the signals being sent to him by a female, although it must be said that they are not popular methods, requiring as they do a certain change of lifestyle for some.

Basically, it is important to be an old fashioned sort of a person. For my part, I never consider going to bed with a woman that I am not currently in the process of falling in love with. I know that makes me a bit of a fuddy duddy when compared with other fellows of my age and generation, but I simply cannot get aroused unless I am emotionally invested in a person. That investment takes time to nurture, and it also requires reciprocation in order to flourish. This has two very important effects on whatever happens next.

First, it means that time will have been spent with the object of ones affections, and time breeds familiarity. If one is indeed familiar with the manner in which another comports themselves, their behavioural characteristics, one is better able to read the intention behind those actions and behaviours, which means that one actually gains familiarity with communicating with that other person, on a non verbal basis. Considering how much foreplay one tends to do without actually realising it (and this goes for the fellows as much as the ladies), using non verbal cues, it is necessary to learn a persons behaviour and manner, before entering into amorous situations with them, in order that one does not misread a situation to the detriment of both parties.

It also means that the lady one might express desire for, has ample opportunity to send clear signals to one, alerting one to how few universes there are, in which that lady would actually consider another date with one, let alone actually taking one to bed. Drunken fumbling with a stranger in a parking lot, or dragging a randomer back to ones home, does not allow for the sort of communication acclimatisation that is necessary for clear sexual communication to operate between two people. However, giving a woman time to express her consent or lack thereof, is not a matter of simply saying "I will be leaving the club in five minutes. If it would please you lady, would you consider getting your coat, and coming with me?".

A gentleman is never in a hurry, and more to the point, is never of a mind to hurry a woman. A gentleman ensures that his intentions are clear, and awaits decisions being made by a lady as to her position on the matter, accepting that those decisions will not be fast, and being prepared to wait an inordinate amount of time before being alerted to the content of those decisions.

To my mind, much of this modern day trouble with interpreting consent, is down to the mindless, animalistic, and morally defunct way that modern courtship works. Grinding anonymous persons in a club, getting in their cab home with them, screwing them and then having the first conversation after all that is frankly appalling behaviour, and you would not catch me up to any of that amoral and utterly valueless nonsense. It is way too fast, has no nourishing aspects other than physically, and is asking for trouble in more ways than are covered by this thread.

In short, by the time one has reached the point where there might be some manner of sexual union involved with the evenings proceedings, one ought to already have been on several dates, bumped into the lady in question around a few times, hung out all of a randomness, gone for a coffee, hung out at the library, gone to the beach, maybe had a pizza and Star Wars night, or possibly a Pasta/Mafia night (basically spaghetti of some sort, followed by, or during the Godfather on DVD)... In short, a gentleman should know the lady he is interested in, well enough by the time that sexual intercourse even becomes a subject, that he does not need a bloody flash card to work out where he stands, and it is the constant insistence on instant gratification and pointless rutting in this day and age, which causes the majority of problems discussed in this thread!


I regret only being able to give you one star for this.
This instant gratification culture has led to us viewing other human beings as disposable and worthless beyond what they can instantly offer. Love and compassion are viewed as weaknesses instead of strengths and emotional connection is to be shunned at all costs. It's warped and backwards beyond belief but also insidiously promoted in the same way as rampant consumerism, with the same ourcome. The goal is isolation of the individual to create unquestioning compliance.

In my 20s I treated women badly and realised after the fact that I had missed out and ruined many opportunities to engage in something worthwhile and fulfilling. It took a lot of reflection to put right. There's a lot to be said for being old school.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 02:01 PM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

You are an absolute gentleman and one I am proud to call 'friend'. You summed it up perfectly! I wish there were more men like you in the world. I would give you a thousand stars for that post, but alas, my one will have to suffice.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 02:23 PM
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a reply to: cosmickat

I would argue this is not a free speech issue.

He is basically doing the equivalent of yelling fire in a crowded theatre and inciting to crime. His advice, if followed, would land many men in court for rape. It's incitement.

As far as I know, this is the same sort of reason why you are not allowed to circulate child porn. It's not the images themselves (as disgusting as they are) but the process of creating them which is criminal exploitation. In order to have it, you must commit a crime to generate it.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 02:53 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I do agree Ketsuko.
He is advocating and encouraging rape through his dialogue, which is a criminal act in itself.
I think I said as much earlier in the post.
After reading part of his forum and his social media this morning...it's all kinda creepy and more than a bit sick. Really cloak and dagger stuff. Advising his followers to use cash and leave their credit cards at home so they can't be traced and other creepy stuff.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 02:54 PM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

TrueBrit = true gent



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 03:13 PM
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a reply to: cosmickat

Form an orderly queue, ladies.




(His blog) also claimed women should be made responsible for ensuring they were not raped, instead of teaching men not to rape. “I propose that we make the violent taking of a woman not punishable by law when done off public grounds,” he wrote.


The Independent

Do you now, matey?


He has organised the meet-ups, promoted through his website, so that he are so that 'like-minded' men can come together to discuss and learn more about these ideas. They have agreed to meet in public places and by local landmarks. Only straight men will be allowed to attend.

He has threatened (and incited his misogynist army of followers to do likewise) any women or man protesting the event with "furious retribution". He asks protesters to be filmed and promises to set his "anti-feminist" mob to "tear them up" as punishment for standing against violence towards women.


This guy is a walking maniac. Free speech nothing, he is openly advocating for the rape of women and girls. His book provide 'techniques' on how best to rape girls. I can only hope he fulfills his promise of visiting Glasgow.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 03:19 PM
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a reply to: cosmickat

The guy advocating this is a moron and should be hit in the head with a tack hammer.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 03:26 PM
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a reply to: cosmickat
Do we know any of the venues where he will be presenting his conferences? Just wondering.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 03:27 PM
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a reply to: cosmickat

What I find funny about this is that, on his site he invites people to "come out of the shadows and not have to hide behind a computer screen for fear of retaliation" and he isn't appearing in public in Edinburgh or Glasgow because the people of Scotland have made it clear he won't be safe if he comes here and instead he will hide behind a computer screen for fear of retaliation...



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 03:29 PM
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edit on 3-2-2016 by Mousygretchen because: innapropriate post.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 03:42 PM
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a reply to: Mousygretchen

He is not putting in an appearance. I don't think the man himself is even in the UK.
Venues are Glasgow,Edinburgh, Cardiff and others.
So far he is under a fair amount of fire via Twitter and none of it is friendly. His response to some of the tweets he received regarding his event in Glasgow was to say that it was especially hostile and he asked if Glasgow was some kind of convict resettlement area!
His band of merry men are meeting in George Square I believe.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 03:47 PM
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a reply to: cosmickat
Convict resettlement area?? LOL, shows you how delusional he is.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 03:53 PM
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Glasgow can be scary enough without having all the locals pissed off with you. He has no idea what's coming to him lol.



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