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Oregon Rancher’s Body Returned To The Family In Shocking Condition

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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 07:18 PM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: spy66

The Mozambique drill, also known as failure drill or failure to stop drill, is completely common at all levels of law enforcement training.


Everyone knows the tap. But taking into account what this event is and what the primary objectives are. This type of tap would not be instructed or reconmended at the mission debreif.

It would moste likely be a personal decision to tap the suspect Down that way. And that in it self is qualified to be questioned..... Since the individual never brought the weapon out of the holster and became a imminent threat to the agents one the ground..
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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 07:27 PM
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Found this. And that is very interesting.


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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 07:30 PM
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originally posted by: elementalgrove
a reply to: Informer1958




Shot in the face, who does that?


Not sure if you are familiar with Mark Passio and his work, but this presentation pretty much sums up the kind of mentality that has been cultivated in the servants of the elite.

Order followers without conscience is all they are.



I watched that whole darn thing and I must say it was very interesting and rang true to me on many counts.

The irony I see here however is the people who are angry that LaVoy got shot are often times the self-same people who support the military and the state/local police.

Newsflash they serve the same gubmit that those alphabet agencies do!

Also very refreshing to see culpability placed at the feet of the order-followers. "I was just following orders." Is NOT and NEVER HAS BEEN a valid excuse for carrying out many orders that they do, and in reality those who follow the orders and commit the actions that manifest the reality of the order given are MORE culpable than those who gave it. You can't give away your right to choose and place the blame elsewhere.
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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 07:42 PM
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a reply to: spy66

That certainly is very interesting! I'm listening now. This is becoming more and more serious.

Good grief!
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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 07:46 PM
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a reply to: spy66

Thank you, thank you.

I was tired of reading the naysayers saying the OP was a hoax.

So apparently the men that shot Lavoy Finnicunm were not federal police. They are from a French banking Cartel. Or Black Stone contractors.

These men have no authority to be here and it is a crime to impersonate a federal Official.

This gets more interesting each day as more info comes out.
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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 07:56 PM
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Also very refreshing to see culpability placed at the feet of the order-followers. "I was just following orders." Is NOT and NEVER HAS BEEN a valid excuse for carrying out many orders that they do, and in reality those who follow the orders and commit the actions that manifest the reality of the order given are MORE culpable than those who gave it. You can't give away your right to choose and place the blame elsewhere.


I agree, we did not let the Nazis get away with killing the Jews during the Nuremberg Trails when they claimed they were following orders.

We executed them, after finding them guilty.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 07:59 PM
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a reply to: spy66

"That type of tap" is never "recommended" before a situation. No mission brief I've ever been a part of has said "okay the suggested shooting technique for today is the Mozambique."

Ever. Period.

It's a shooting technique that training is utterly common for. Pointing to it as if it's somehow a smoking gun of the identity of the personnel involved is ludicrous.

It's clear that you know something about shooting in general, and some degree of training in general. But you're making some rather specific claims based on general knowledge, and they're not accurate.

Ps - a mission debrief happens AFTER an operation. Nobody is "recommending" how to shoot during an operation after the operation is over.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 08:05 PM
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a reply to: Informer1958

The Finicum family would have to verify nine bullet wounds, one in the face, and they are under absolutely no obligation to do so.

I have no problem with the likelihood of mercenaries being involved in killing LaVoy. They have become the elite tool of choice where big money is involved and we're talking getting rid of ranchers and cattle so uranium and other riches can be mined. That's the bottom line of all of this.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 08:09 PM
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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 08:23 PM
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Here's a question are you intimidated or oissed about it?
For some silly reason socialists KEEP trying to intimidate us military type and it really is not working.
We are feeling some thing else that the higher ones up on the idiot pyramid think they can manipulate and get us to jump the gun.
We'll see who win's the game.
A nation of snipers or a nation of cowards.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 08:32 PM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: spy66

"That type of tap" is never "recommended" before a situation. No mission brief I've ever been a part of has said "okay the suggested shooting technique for today is the Mozambique."

Ever. Period.

It's a shooting technique that training is utterly common for. Pointing to it as if it's somehow a smoking gun of the identity of the personnel involved is ludicrous.

It's clear that you know something about shooting in general, and some degree of training in general. But you're making some rather specific claims based on general knowledge, and they're not accurate.

Ps - a mission debrief happens AFTER an operation. Nobody is "recommending" how to shoot during an operation after the operation is over.


This was a planned event. The road Block was preplanned. So there was a debreif to instruct and plan how this was to play out. Even what should be done if it came to a shoot out. You always plan for the worst, and hope for the best.

This was not a random event. It was set up.

Back to the taps. Since when are you instructed or adviced to do the 2-1 tap on a suspect who is unarmed?

When he reaches for his weapon?

Where did you learn that as a federal agent or a cop? I bet you never did. It is nothing but a personal decision in that case if you do that tap.


The two one tap is only adviced when SWAT,SAS,seals and so on deal With well armed multiple terrorists, at multiple locations where you have to leave the target and move to the NeXT.



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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 08:40 PM
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I have no problem with the likelihood of mercenaries being involved in killing LaVoy. They have become the elite tool of choice where big money is involved and we're talking getting rid of ranchers and cattle so uranium and other riches can be mined. That's the bottom line of all of this.


I agree, however what these mercenaries have done is highly illegal. Lavoy killing was a police matter, so we all thought.

If these mercenaries were taking orders from some Banking cartel, it will prove these Bankers are after land and are breaking US laws to obtain it.

What I do know, it is highly illegal for any American corporations to use foreign military on American soil.

What bothers me most about this is, why hasn't the Feds or local police come forth and made any public statements that they were not involved in this shooting.

If these men are part of Black Stone and are taking orders from the Banking cartels why is our government not responding to this matter?

In the video above, the caller said the governor was informed to this matter, why is there hardly any Press coverage to any of this.

I am wondering if the Feds are working with foreign mercenaries, if this is the case, I believe some serous laws have been broken.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 08:44 PM
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originally posted by: Informer1958
a reply to: tweetie



I have no problem with the likelihood of mercenaries being involved in killing LaVoy. They have become the elite tool of choice where big money is involved and we're talking getting rid of ranchers and cattle so uranium and other riches can be mined. That's the bottom line of all of this.


I agree, however what these mercenaries have done is highly illegal. Lavoy killing was a police matter, so we all thought.

If these mercenaries were taking orders from some Banking cartel, it will prove these Bankers are after land and are breaking US laws to obtain it.

What I do know, it is highly illegal for any American corporations to use foreign military on American soil.

What bothers me most about this is, why hasn't the Feds or local police come forth and made any public statements that they were not involved in this shooting.

If these men are part of Black Stone and are taking orders from the Banking cartels why is our government not responding to this matter?

In the video above, the caller said the governor was informed to this matter, why is there hardly any Press coverage to any of this.

I am wondering if the Feds are working with foreign mercenaries, if this is the case, I believe some serous laws have been broken.


To me it seams as if this is also at the Governor Level. He/she is the one who have ordered this to be resolved With federal assistance.

This means the Governor must have approved the assets and terms being used to resolve this.

The reason we dont hear about this from the federal Level or government Level is because this is a Cooperation.
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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 08:55 PM
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Let me see if I have this right.

Someone named Gary Darby who also calls himself a "Judge" believes that the United Nations and the International Monetary Fund EDIT has hired French Agents who impersonated FBI agents who assassinated Lavoy Finicum ... and has commanded the United States military to do his bidding and remove these alleged French Agents post haste?

And many of you are nodding at this and believe it offers confirmation of assertions made in this thread which are otherwise unsubstantiated, to wit: Lavoy Finicum was shot nine times once in the face and his body has been returned to his family?

Is this a fair assessment?
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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 08:56 PM
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a reply to: Informer1958

Should have kept those hands up and i dunno maybe went home when asked. He had it coming.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 09:09 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
Let me see if I have this right.

Someone named Gary Darby who also calls himself a "Judge" believes that the United Nations and the International Monetary Fund impersonated FBI agents who assassinated Lavoy Finicum ... and has commanded the United States military to do his bidding and remove these alleged French Agents post haste?

And many of you are nodding at this and believe it offers confirmation of assertions made in this thread which are otherwise unsubstantiated, to wit: Lavoy Finicum was shot nine times once in the face and his body has been returned to his family?

Is this a fair assessment?


His name is Gary Dean Darby. to be accurate


- You missed out the Governor. The Governor have asked the federal government to help resolve this stand of.

- The person that Gary spoke to seam to know that the were contigency plans set in motion. These plans also seamed to be approved by the Governor.

- What the Judge seam to ask for was for military assistance to help protect the People/farmers involved. It seam like there are farmers who have taken Direct contact With the Judge, and given personal statments about these People's actions. One had been beaten and threatened by agents.

- The odd thing is that the person(military) the Judge spoke to on the phone, seam to be well informed about what was going adn who was involved... and that there are contigency planes to move on to resolve this. He basically admited to that without being specific.


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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 09:17 PM
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a reply to: spy66

Gary Darby didn't mention the Governor of Oregon, and the Governor of Oregon has never mentioned him.

By what authority is Gary Darby a "Judge" and what is he a "Judge" of. Was he elected, appointed, chosen by lot, how?

The person that Gary Darby spoke to realizes what the nature of this ... command ... to capture French (or Blackstone) Agents employed by the IMF/UN actually is.

Any corroborating evidence on the residents of Harney (is that the People/farmers invovled) being accosted by French (or Blackstone) Agents? Any evidence on the person who was "beaten" by these French Agents?

The person on the phone had probably been told that Darby showed up and left his ... what would you call that document? Proclamation? Declaration? That doesn't imply that the US Military .... well, anything that you said.

And do you believe this youtube video proves that the as yet unsubstantiated statements in the OP are true and factual?



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 09:20 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: spy66

Gary Darby didn't mention the Governor of Oregon, and the Governor of Oregon has never mentioned him.

By what authority is Gary Darby a "Judge" and what is he a "Judge" of. Was he elected, appointed, chosen by lot, how?

The person that Gary Darby spoke to realizes what the nature of this ... command ... to capture French (or Blackstone) Agents employed by the IMF/UN actually is.

Any corroborating evidence on the residents of Harney (is that the People/farmers invovled) being accosted by French (or Blackstone) Agents? Any evidence on the person who was "beaten" by these French Agents?

The person on the phone had probably been told that Darby showed up and left his ... what would you call that document? Proclamation? Declaration? That doesn't imply that the US Military .... well, anything that you said.

And do you believe this youtube video proves that the as yet unsubstantiated statements in the OP are true and factual?


No, Gary didnt mention the Governor the other person on the phone did. He was the one who informed Gary about the Governors involvment in this case.

Non of what Gary mentioned might be true. But again the person he spoke to on the phone did leak vital information.
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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 09:21 PM
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The Governor of Oregon Kate Brown (a woman, by the way) requested Federal assistance in resolving the illegal occupation of a bird sanctuary because it is a Federal facility on United States property.

So, no answers on the rest of my questions?

No reason to waste any more time here. You guys are too good for me. You figured it all out.
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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 09:28 PM
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No, despite the judge mentioning the nine wounds, which surprised me, to me that's a separate issue. I think the judge said unsubstantiated. I can't speak for anyone else, of course.

The funeral for LaVoy, per the family statement through their lawyer, is this Friday. Does it make sense they have the body by now?

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