Ted Cruz's Religious Right Support Carries Him To Iowa Victory

@desert, and Kitana:


Creepy is right.
Gut instinct......response.....creepy.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I think for me though it's weird, because I am christian. Some of what he stands for I agree with, and some I oppose, but in general no more than anyone else running on the republican ticket. But honestly, I would refrain from voting if he were my only choice, and I would look nearly anywhere else for someone to vote for. (except rubio.. lol) Heck "bern" the country to the ground before I would vote for cruz, and I honestly cannot put my finger on exactly why even. Just no.

Just one of those just wrong feelings you cannot exactly place.

a reply to: Kitana

I think for me though it's weird, because I am christian.

It's weird in general.

Do you think that because you are Christian, that you're "supposed to" back Cruz?

What about Bernie's policies (if any) seem "unChristian" to you ?

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Cruz opposes gay marriage is one stance I see as being against Christianity - however, with gay marriage I think a Christians constitutional right of non-participation should be reaffirmed in light of.

I agree that planned parenthood should be defunded, I don't see birth control and abortion as any business of the government personally. But I have no opinion on abortion laws. Absolutely none, not my business.

It irks me to no end that he claims the Christian faith yet seems dishonest. First, he pushes TPP like a drug dealer then he votes against it. He had, in my opinion, good reason to oppose, but, why support it so hard in the first place. It was never a good idea and if he was supporting it so hard blind, that is not a good attribute in someone who desires to lead and not follow. It shows him as someone who will offer blind support with no knowledge.

They try to say he is chosen of God, yet have to cheat and harass and lie in order to get people to vote for him. Definitely not the same God I know. Nor the kind of president I want.

There is just something outside of policies that make me trust him much less. Something about him overall that makes me want to say hell no, not someone we could trust as far as we could throw him. And no, him saying he is Christian does not make me feel like I should vote for him, I want someone good and I don't care if they are an atheist.

As for Bernie I don't want to see the degradation of this country further toward socialist policies. The same types of policies that have been so destructive to this nation, being not just continued but further expanded upon.

a reply to: desert

Yeah, just read your post again.
Thank you.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: nobunaga

the thing is, where is the right man?? He's no where to be found, does he even exist or do you now have to prove yourself to be a lying, psychopathic sob to even have a chance of running?
if cruz gets the nomination, I will morn the republican party, since well, I'll see it as pretty much dead!

Sanders has the best domestic policy out of everyone.
Paul has the best foreign policy out of everyone.
Kasich has the best chance of getting anything done.
Rubio is an actual electable conservative.

That's four right people in the race at this very moment.

a reply to: Aazadan

Paul has the best foreign policy out of everyone.

Well, he suspended his candidacy.

So - only three people.
I don't think Kasich is bad, not at all.
Rubio is kinda okay - some of his stuff I disagree with, though.....

But, for me, Sanders it is.

originally posted by: Kapriti
Christians have every right to band together and promote someone who thinks like them. Irish Catholics did that in the Democratic Party for generations. I think fear of "religious people in power" is an odd psychopathology ... as odd as thinking the US President is a practicing Muslim intent on imposing Sharia law in the USA. Fears of religious groups and the targeting of Abrahamic faiths for baseless denunciation only serves the Controllers' divide and conquer strategy.

It goes beyond that. No one is scared of Bernie implementing some screwed up religious system because he's a Jew, and no (rational) people are scared of Obama implementing an Atheist/Muslim/Christian regime (whichever you think he is). It's perfectly fine for a person to hold any religious values they want. What isn't fine though is when a candidate is running on "Jesus wants me to be president", and then wants to sponsor all legislation based on their holy book of choice.

In a secular society, laws should be based on the needs of society as a whole rather than on religious teachings. This gets particularly problematic in the US where we have a very extreme Christian wing, so that religion gets more scrutiny. We have had governors watch people on the streets go hungry and justify it as a good thing because the Bible has a passage saying that those who don't work don't get to eat.

It's pretty simple really, if someone is going to use their religion to justify being a jerk they shouldn't be given power. Just as they shouldn't be given power if they're going to be a jerk just because that power allows them to do so. Cruz is pretty upfront about what he intends to do and why.

Also, from a historical context there have been a lot of atrocities committed by people who think they were ordained by God to reform a corrupt government. Just something to keep in mind with both Cruz and Romney before him. Those types of people should be kept far away from power because it often times goes poorly.

We got off pretty light last time when we let Bush get away with saying God was telling him he needed to bomb Iraq, followed by him doing so.

originally posted by: desert
a reply to: Kitana

Good point. There are some (younger) evangelicals separating out from the far right politics. However, there are many, many voting evangelicals who are still aligned with Cleon Skousen and/or John Birch Society principles.

I must profess great ignorance of the Calvinist revival theology, so I will stay away from that. To me, religions have split so much, it's like hair with a bad case of split ends.

I do have one question.... for whom would these new generation evangelicals vote in 2016?

I don't know about the modern day interpretations of them but Calvin himself would probably vote for a Communist, and then institute secret police to enforce proper moral values.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Oh, BuzzyWigs, I'm sorry it was quite a read, and I did try to pick out highlights, but I couldn't come up with any way to say it shorter. Maybe a headline, "Using Myth to Rewrite Religion and Government". "Going Forward By Going Backward to a History That Never Existed".

originally posted by: Aazadan
In a secular society, laws should be based on the needs of society as a whole rather than on religious teachings. This gets particularly problematic in the US where we have a very extreme Christian wing, so that religion gets more scrutiny.

And that's been the problem building up for four decades. Combining fundamentalist religion with fundamentalist ideas of government. Ted Cruz is a manifestation of this problem. Checks and balances? Not if all three branches believe the way he does. And that is a real possibility with our polarized political system.

Irrational thinking no longer belongs to a fringe movement.

Right-wing radicalism is hardly a new phenomenon in American society, but its modern manifestation is unprecedented since the era of resistance to school integration. Those threatening to resist federal law and regulation are no longer just patriot militias in camouflage, training in isolation in the woods. They are elected county sheriffs, politicians, and state legislators, declaring that their resistance to the federal government is grounded in their interpretation of the Constitution and U.S. history. Understanding the ideology behind their work is crucial to navigating the challenges that lie ahead.

Nullification, Neo-Confederates, and the Revenge of the Old Right

a reply to: DBCowboy

...you say that like it's a bad thing...

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

You have heard of checks and balances, correct?

Not to mention the American people, most of whom would in no way support this supposed theocracy.

What he may want, is not what he's going to get.

This is Cruz pandering for votes/support. So, too, is saying that he's going to get a theocracy of evangelical Christianity.

How, pray, is he going to go about doing this? Executive orders? Still have to pass constitutional muster. Which it, obviously, wouldn't. Still has to be paid for, I do believe that Congress controls the purse-strings...and I doubt a majority in both Houses are going to support anything resembling an Evangelical theocracy.

Then his evil plan runs head long into the American citizen. You want to fire up the American citizen? Mess with his/her religion...go ahead, I dare ya. Guaranteed, you won't like the results.

I, for one, would ignore it. ...and help those who ran afoul of it. So, too, would many, many others.

A theocracy? Small chance.

a reply to: Aazadan

I doubt it. I rather imagine he would view society with the same special kind of horror I do. You should be grateful that evangelicals still view you as people with an ability for reason and an ability to love. They actually think there is some measure of hope for you all - you should see that as a positive vote really.

People like me who have no opinion on abortion, have no opinion because of the special kind of horror we have when we see you all.

The people rally -" we demand the right to kill our children, we demand the right to follow the animal kingdoms basest of instincts and deny our humanity, we demand to sacrifice our children to the god of more resources for all. Kill kill kill" and the crowd cheers "YEA!"

Yea, its a special kind of horror someone with no opinion has when they see someone who cares more for a dog than their own child. But hey... rally away, just don't ask me to pay for it. I have no hope for you. I don't think John Calvin would either honestly.

So, do as you please. As the bible says (paraphrased) Let the church judge the church and God will judge those outside the church.

But he is a vampire!!.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: DBCowboy

...you say that like it's a bad thing...

I know people with bibles and I don't know how accurate her aim is.

a reply to: Aazadan

That was soooo funny!! Thanks for the laugh.

a reply to: seagull

It is the thinking that Ted Cruz embodies that can remake this country in a way we might not want

Ted Cruz & ALEC: Seceding from the Union One Law at a Time

Tea Partiers, Tenthers, and the corporate sponsors who support them have come up with a variety of ways to circumvent the federal government and bypass the federal regulatory system, including efforts to hold an Article V Convention, commonly called a “Con Con,” to amend the Constitution and the Sen. Ted Cruz(R, TX)-developed plan for use of “interstate compacts” to block federal law.

In a report for the Center for American Progress, Ian Milhiser described these state’s rights efforts as a project for “seceding from the union one law at a time.” These initiatives could result in a Balkanized confederation of states that would be no match against the power of international corporations and would allow for eliminating the regulatory system and the social safety net.

Ted Cruz is highly intelligent and knows exactly what he does.

In all my years I never thought that wacko extremism and a political philosophy that got 1% vote in our national election in 1980 could become so widespread and dominate politics the way it has. What was laughed off before and considered inconsequential now is at the forefront everyday in America.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I know people with bibles and I don't know how accurate her aim is.

My aim is very accurate, thanks. Always had a knack for it. And my veteran husband helped me get even better.
So - stay away from my bunker with your book. I already have a copy, thanks.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: DBCowboy

I know people with bibles and I don't know how accurate her aim is.

My aim is very accurate, thanks. Always had a knack for it. And my veteran husband helped me get even better.
So - stay away from my bunker with your book. I already have a copy, thanks.

I don't have a copy, but I do have enough science fiction books to provide an adequate barrier.