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Is ATS A Political Bubble for Democrat Opinion?

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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 12:02 AM
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a reply to: IAMTAT

I think as far as ATS members go who identify as Dem or Progressive or Liberal or Left that they do not represent a microcosm of America when compared to polling and media. Most of those who would qualify do in fact seem to side with Sanders instead of Clinton. However, outside ATS I would say the same is found there as well. I personally don't know where Clinton is getting her 50% support from. It's obviously not from the Right and as far as I can tell there isn't much from the left either. So why she still polls so well eludes me. I think it's manipulation personally but have no proof of that.
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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 02:26 AM
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As has been said,those of us here are more informed.

We all come here because we desire to be informed, we all came here to find the truth of things, normal and paranormal.

We as a group of intelligent people, have the most civilized political discussions anywhere in the world.



Let's give ourselves a round of applause.

That being said, it's just Iowa, there"s still a long way to go before November.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 01:21 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
How she got much support in Iowa is beyond me.


Coin tosses...must have been coin tosses.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 10:30 PM
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I thought most people who, feel the Bern are white people, who are under 55. I also believe that a high percentage of them are middle to upper middle class. Wouldn't that over lap with ATS membership



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 10:40 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
I'd say apparently not...

Out of the few Democrats/liberal-leaning folks on here -- I haven't seen very many (if any) Hillary supporters. How she got much support in Iowa is beyond me.

Apparently people actually would vote for her.


Funny, I said the same thing about Bernie



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 03:34 AM
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originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: IAMTAT

Oh gods, no. Neither republicans nor democrats are an accurate representation of their respective parties on a national scale.

ATS represents republicans and democrats who look beyond the MSM for their worldview, for better or worse. We do not represent the American consensus.


And don't forget the independents like myself. I'm more of a Green Party guy than a Democrat. I don't even trust most of the Democratic leaders or initiatives, and will probably vote for the Green Party or one of the Socialist 3rd parties if Bernie doesn't get the nomination.


Absolutely. I think most of us fall into third-party status of some sort but our votes don't normally reflect it (not our faults; it is often pointless to vote third-party).

So I guess when I think of republican/democrat, it would be more accurate to say conservative/liberal since nearly all third parties fall somewhere on that spectrum. I would vote Green Party if it would make a difference but I still identify as "democrat" since it's the closest thing that "counts" in American politics.

It's lame, for sure.


I agree.

I'm somewhere between GOP and Libertarian in my views.

I like a strong military
I like capitalism
I don't think being gay is right, but don't have an issue about it. As long as you don't beat me over the head with it do what you want.
I think prostitution should be legalized. As long as they want to do it and are of age, give them a health card an stop wasting my tax money on this.
etc etc.


Also thing your right on voting. IF people want a true third party it would take building it from the bottom, NOT wasting votes on a third part candidate that has no chance of winning. Even if they did they would have no support base.

So I will vote GOP almost all the time for the same reason you vote DEM. ( You dam Commy lefties
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posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 08:38 AM
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I believe any online message board or Internet related "arm chair" activity that gives someone the right to argue their point and prove others wrong psychologically fits the Democrat mindset more than any other. The constant need to point out how they are correct and everyone else is wrong is a pre-dominantly Liberal trait. My Facebook feed is 99% filled with pro-Democrat memes about how stupid and wrong Republicans are. I rarely see anything going the opposite way, and I'm mostly friends with Conservatives! Anyhow this trend plays out perfectly on ATS.

And before anyone shoots me, I'm also on this message board.



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 08:52 AM
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Bernie's going to do well in New Hampshire. After that, his days are numbered. He doesn't have a prayer in states with large urban ethnic populations.

Bernie thinks once his message gets out that he has a fighting chance. I maintain he can push out whatever message he wants but if it isn't received, it's shouting into the wind. People who are seeking out his message will see it. People who aren't, won't.

He'll probably win big on what amounts to his home court in New Hampshire. Hillary will beat him like a drum from that point forward, all the way to nomination or indictment, whichever comes first.



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 09:14 AM
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a reply to: IAMTAT

Yes, ATS is indeed a "political bubble" for Democrats.

By and large, there is a distinct difference between ATS Democrats and the Democratic base nationwide.

What makes us different is the fact that ATS Democrats are better informed than the average Democratic voter.

Hell, most Democratic voters across this nation never even heard of Bernie Sanders before this election and they're just now hearing his message for the first time.

Runaway snowballs start off small and unnoticed but by the time they get to the bottom of the hill, everybody sees them and knows that the best place to be is "behind them."

I have a feeling that Bernie is fixing to have one of those "sleeping giant" moments.



posted on Feb, 7 2016 @ 11:20 AM
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This is one of the reasons I love this site (among others). You get a wide range of thoughts and ideas, that you may never be exposed to in your day to day life.

I definitely consider myself to be more right of center, but I also think the two-party system is the cause of our countries troubles. Nothing in life is black and white, we rarely get such an easy time of it. If everything in life came down to deciding between two options things would be easy. I don't think people can be, nor should be categorized into one camp or another, things aren't that simple. I'm not that simple. I do think we tend to see more "left wing" thoughts broadcast across the ATS pages, but there is nothing wrong with that. I value the opinion of all of my peers, even if I don't agree with them.



posted on Feb, 7 2016 @ 12:11 PM
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a reply to: yeahright

Jesus let's pray you are wrong about that. Why would Bernie lose to Hillary in large urban centers? Why would any of those Obamavoters vote for Hillary over Bernie?



posted on Feb, 7 2016 @ 03:15 PM
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originally posted by: Esoterotica
Why would Bernie lose to Hillary in large urban centers? Why would any of those Obamavoters vote for Hillary over Bernie?


The Clinton Machine is strong in urban areas. Head to head, Hillary would be and was beaten by Obama in those areas. Now, Hillary is the extension of the Obama presidency. Bernie is the outsider. He's an 'independent' and hasn't been a full blown member of the Democrat party for years.

The conventional wisdom has been turned upside down in this cycle, so I could be dead wrong. But I just don't see Bernie capturing that significantly numerous part of the party.

I think when it looked like Hillary was going to be opposed only by Bernie, the entire party breathed a sigh of relief and viewed it as her running for all intents and purposes as unopposed. His early success has been a shocker, but I think his string's run out. I still think (and if you haven't heard it before, then you hear it here first) the ultimate Democrat nominee isn't even in the race yet.

I think it's likely the Republicans may have an open convention, with no one showing up with enough delegates to win on the first ballot. That's when things will get interesting.



posted on Feb, 7 2016 @ 03:19 PM
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a reply to: IAMTAT

I would remind you that ATS is an international forum, and internationally, the world is far more like Sanders fantasy land then otherwise.

That might explain why so many seem to admire him. I have no way of knowing how many of the Sanders supporters are truly American and how many are really international, but that might explain some of it.



posted on Feb, 7 2016 @ 03:29 PM
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I have voted democrat for a long time. Hillary is no bigger liar or crook than the rest. But she did vote for the war. I can't forgive her for that, she should have fought against it, lose or win. That is the big difference in Bernie and Hillary, and I will vote for him. I don't know if we are a bubble or not, it depends if the young vote or not.
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posted on Feb, 7 2016 @ 04:05 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: IAMTAT

I would remind you that ATS is an international forum, and internationally, the world is far more like Sanders fantasy land then otherwise.

That might explain why so many seem to admire him. I have no way of knowing how many of the Sanders supporters are truly American and how many are really international, but that might explain some of it.



Good point. The 'International' aspect of ATS explains a political divergence of some extent.



posted on Feb, 7 2016 @ 06:18 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
But she did vote for the war. I can't forgive her for that, she should have fought against it, lose or win.


When you make your best calculated decision based on information given you ---- then that info turns out to be false --- lies. And also actions were taken that you did not agree to




. . . Clinton acknowledged, as she has on previous occasions, that she’d made a mistake. But she also offered an explanation for her vote, something she has rarely done in the past. President Bush, she told the audience, had made a “very explicit appeal” that “getting this vote would be a strong piece of leverage in order to finish the inspections.” In other words, a resolution to use force would prod Saddam Hussein into readmitting U.N. inspectors, so they could continue their mission of verifying whether or not he had destroyed his chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons sites. In other words, Clinton was now claiming she voted the way she did in the interests of diplomacy; the problem was that Bush went back on his word—he invaded before giving the inspectors enough time. Listening to her rationale Wednesday night, I didn’t know whether she was telling the truth. I had written many Slate columns about the Iraq debate and the ensuing war, but I couldn’t remember the details of then-Sen. Clinton’s position. Looking up those details now, I have come to a conclusion about the rationale she recited at the New Hampshire town hall: Hillary was telling the truth.


www.slate.com...



posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 05:52 AM
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a reply to: Annee

I will vote for Hillary before any of the republican candidates, but Bernie was not persuaded by the lies, why was she? Somehow, I believe money was behind it.



posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 12:15 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Annee

I will vote for Hillary before any of the republican candidates, but Bernie was not persuaded by the lies, why was she? Somehow, I believe money was behind it.


If a town is being invaded by ISIS, should they be pacifists?

I am not a pacifist. I am a "do what seems to have the best outcome". Which Hillary did based on information she was given. IMO

Bernie has little interest in international politics. Which for me, is a detriment.

Yes, we are at a process of elimination - - not a choice.



posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 12:36 PM
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Sen Sanders is interested in international politics, that's why he is against the TPP!

Is not taking a stance against a international trade agreement, that would harm the US and many of the worlds governments, showing an interest in international politics???



posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 12:50 PM
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originally posted by: AlaskanDad
a reply to: Annee

Sen Sanders is interested in international politics, that's why he is against the TPP!

Is not taking a stance against a international trade agreement, that would harm the US and many of the worlds governments, showing an interest in international politics???


I've moved on. We are just not on the same page.

As a Globalist I would be for TPP. How its done is what matters to me.




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