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Bernie Sanders Supporters Can’t Describe Socialism

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posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 07:56 AM
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a reply to: Kitana



We lost the balance. The balance used to be found in compromise between reasonable opposites.


I agree. There used to be a balance between capitalism and socialism in this country (1950's) that built one of the world's strongest economies and countries overall.



conservatives got silenced, our party taken over.


Your party was never taken over. It evolved as more and more propaganda was thrown at those that lean to the Right. The Tea Party is/was a product of that. When the GOP tried to maintain a half-way moderate position compared to the extreme Right some people wanted to take it, the TP sprang-up. The TP thought to the GOP should continue to move further right and be less willing to compromise or work with the Left.



The only way to keep from going over the cliff into total socialism, is to stand totally opposed at this point. Socialist light is what we have had for a republican party, socialist is what we had for a democratic party. It is time to stand utterly opposed, or watch the free fall of this country all the while knowing it will take another civil war to get this country away from the hands of those who abuse power.


See. This is part of the propaganda that has been pushed at the Right Wing.

The only way to save this country is to come back to the middle and embrace a good mix of ideologies. Socialism alone is not the answer and neither is complete capitalism.

By standing firmly against socialism you are standing for the very thing that has taken this country so far to the Right.
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posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 11:05 AM
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a reply to: introvert

You and I will simply have to beg to differ. I do not see socialist policies as anything that made America great. We were great before, people came to these shores with no welfare, nothing but their determination and they succeeded in largest part. The American dream existed and thrived without socialism.

For middle class life, for materialism and greed people sold their very souls to the all powerful entity we now call the state. They sold their futures and their childrens futures to the state. They sold their morality to the state. They sold everything and made their God into the state.

Don't agree with the way someone else raises their children? Call the state.
Want to retire? Just give money to the state your entire life and pray they allocate it back to you.
Are you sick? Let's call the state!
Let's sell states our religious affairs - for money!
What we buy is now dictated to us by the state.
Want an education - sell your children mind to the propaganda machine called the state!


And all this has done, is given us nothing but debt debt and more debt, we have devalued our currency by removing any standard and print it like its going out of style so the government can implement ever more programs and we wont ever notice the pain until it all falls to the ground in one huge crash.

Socialist policies have cost us dearly, and someday, every man women and child will have to pay for that. 21.7 Trillion dollars in debt is over 66 thousand dollars for every man woman and child in this country. That is our future, someday, we will have to pay that for the greed of the middle class. They sold us out, they sold our futures out.

And those who want that to increase, those who want a harder fall, those who want our children to have more to loose than even this? I do not feel sorry for, I only feel sorry for the innocent people whom this gets thrust upon in the end.

So no, I do disagree that this middle class life is worth it in the end, because it will be our destruction, not our savior. For the illusion of temporary comfort, we will pay dearly.

Can you foot the bill? I know I sure as hell can't. And if you can't foot the bill, then its damn unfair to force the bill on someone who didn't even get the chance to choose!
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posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 11:40 AM
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a reply to: Kitana

Star!!

You hit it on the head!



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 11:40 AM
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a reply to: Kitana

Yes, we will have to disagree because the middle class, or anyone else for that matter, did not sell their soul to the state. They sold their souls to the corporation.

Materialism is propagated by the corporation.

The corporation is god and our politicians work for them.

Our debt has increased because of the money we spend to benefit the corporation. (Government bail-outs of car manufacturers and banks, perpetual war for defense contractors and loose regulation on the lot of them)

Corporations have the money to affect our government, socialists do not.

If you need healthcare, the majority of people are required to purchase a corporate product. If it was socialist, we would all have single-payer coverage. But we do not.

Respectfully, blaming socialism indicates that you really don't know what's going on here. It means that you have you eyes on the distraction and not the real cause.

Socialism is where we need to go, not what we need to run from.



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 12:11 PM
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a reply to: introvert

I live in a society created on the principles of free market, and it is my choice to keep it that way. Is it perfect? No, but its better than this utopia your selling, which in theory is so pretty but in reality, fails and fails hard, and costs everyone in the end.

If you dislike our country, feel free to find another more suitable for you. This one was not created as a socialist state.



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 12:34 PM
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I live in a society created on the principles of free market


Where do you live? Must not be the US because the US was created on the principles of individual rights and also the ability to provide for the common good. The military itself is rooted in socialist principles....taxing the people to provide for the common defense.

How about the roads and interstates? Did the free market build our current system?



No, but its better than this utopia your selling, which in theory is so pretty but in reality


I'm not selling Utopia. I advocate for a good mix of both socialist and capitalist philosophies. The only Utopian theory I see is the thought that we live in a free market society. America is not a free market system. It's a system that favors the corporation which can manipulate markets and lobby our government.



If you dislike our country, feel free to find another more suitable for you.


Of course. Typical answer. I think I'll stay in America and enjoy myself because whatever free market country you live in is not the US. It is this sort of propaganda-driven delusions that have so many Americans misinformed and ignorant.

This nation was founded on both capitalist and socialist principles and too many people are clueless to those facts.



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 01:42 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Lol why do you think there are ANY socialist states in the 1st world... We protect a lot of them. So they don't have to spend as much money on their military. Not to mention they mostly have lesser populations. 2 keys there for these nations to spend their money elsewhere. If we didn't keep the peace or at least manage it for what it is, these countries would be wiped out in my opinion. (Us and we being the US).

True and full Socialism is not the direction of a prosperous nation.



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 01:44 PM
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originally posted by: GraffikPleasure
a reply to: Krazysh0t

True and full Socialism is not the direction of a prosperous nation.


Castro-level socialism does not work.

GWB-level crony capitalism does not work.

FDR-level socialism does work.



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 01:45 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Yes...we were founded with some socialism..what happened then? People realized the people down the street will pick up the slack of themselves and this continued to the next person and so on



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 02:23 PM
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originally posted by: GraffikPleasure
a reply to: introvert

Yes...we were founded with some socialism..what happened then? People realized the people down the street will pick up the slack of themselves and this continued to the next person and so on


You are talking about a very small number of people. Unemployment is low and the vast majority of people that can are working in this country. The problem is that the current system, in which "capitalism" has run amok, does not provide the kind of jobs it used to. It's harder to feed a family and pay the bills these days.

That is not because of socialism or laziness.



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 02:31 PM
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a reply to: GraffikPleasure

Protect them? When was the last time a 1st world nation was under threat of being overran militarily?
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posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 05:55 PM
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a reply to: introvert

List your nations you speak of then....
1st world totally socialist nations. Maybe this way I can pick events rather than a constant back and forth of nonsense.



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 05:59 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Capitalism has never been the problem...government and beuracrats are the problem...will be the same or worse under a state owned government.

Why do people want to give more responsibility and money to a government that has already proven they will not act appropriately with it? Ie social security



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 06:00 PM
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originally posted by: GraffikPleasure
a reply to: introvert

List your nations you speak of then....
1st world totally socialist nations. Maybe this way I can pick events rather than a constant back and forth of nonsense.


I didn't say anything about another nation(s).

There isn't one nation I can think of that is totally socialist. That is the point. We need a good mix of both.



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 06:00 PM
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a reply to: mbkennel

How about JUST capitalism... No corruption..



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 06:05 PM
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a reply to: GraffikPleasure

Capitalism is the problem because we have seen how it can be destructive when left unregulated. Capitalism needs socialism to survive because the biggest and most detrimental flaws to capitalism is the need for perpetual growth and monopolization.

The system cannot sustain itself when the all the money and resources have trickled-up to the top and must crumble to be built again. When that happens, socialism jumps in to save capitalism's ass.



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 06:07 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Also unemployment is higher than people are saying... So you are wrong

Annnnnd I have a little socialist friend you may know in this link saying it.
double unemployment numbers



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 06:08 PM
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a reply to: introvert

But the EPA has been in power for decades.

And all the other endless-loop regulations from other agencies.

And look at all the damage and failure.




posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 06:14 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: introvert

But the EPA has been in power for decades.

And all the other endless-loop regulations from other agencies.

And look at all the damage and failure.





You're not comparing apples to apples and you know that.

Look what happened when the banks failed: Socialist bailout.

How about when car manufacturers needed help: Socialist bailout.

I'd rather have to clean-up an inefficient and corrupt department within government than prop-up and subsidize failed capitalism.



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 06:16 PM
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originally posted by: GraffikPleasure
a reply to: introvert

Also unemployment is higher than people are saying... So you are wrong

Annnnnd I have a little socialist friend you may know in this link saying it.
double unemployment numbers


Ok, let's say that is correct. Is 10% unemployment grounds for saying that it is the lazy people that are ruining this country?

It's still laughable.




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