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Did any candidate really 'win' the Iowa caucus?

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posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 12:28 PM
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Let's take a look, shall we? If anything, we have all re-enforced our belief that anything can and will happen. Let's take a look at the two parties....
DNC

Hillary - How? I mean, how? She has lost so much ground since last summer that I think somehow favors were called in on this one. If Bern would have been announced the winner, it would have seriously stuck it to her but after 6 coin tosses for her she won...by a hair

Sanders - Well, looks like some of the granola crowd decided to spark up early and missed the caucus. I was really expecting a 60% vote for him. I may not agree with his views but he has a strong base. I am very surprised he did not win. Good luck in NH Bern....

IT was a tie. No one won here. Watch the money though. I think it is about time Bernie has to switch into SuperPAC high gear...

GOP -

Cruz - Count Chocula did it and won the state, but, I think we all knew that right? National polls are one thing but it had been tight till the end for Cruz and Trump. In the end, with more money and a hard ground game he got the win. His first at bat is done and he got a single. He did not score and it was not magnificent. He got a hit....

Trump - To place second in Iowa was a feat that most thought could not happen. He conceded. No anger. Move on. He knew he could not win Iowa but he had to place well. He is part of the GOP tie also. A line drive but an out....

Rubio - The surge hit and the conservative Republicans came out in force. He almost caught Trump but more to the point he almost won. He looks the part. Talks the part. Is the part. The question is can he keep the surge up and who does he go after...Trump or Cruz? He shot a deep fly to center...and almost got that home run. Almost.

Do we even talk about the others????

Again...a tie in my book. The top 3 all could have taken in and all it tells us is that there is 50% non-establishment to 25% for. That is very lopsided and could cause issue with whoever is nominated and takes on the DNC.

In both races, there was no clear cut winner. No one who broke away and just destroyed the field and I think, for both sides, this is bad. If there is not more clear definition at this point it shows lack of unity. Not since Perot has the GOP/DNC been this shaken up by a candidate/s who are a businessman and a socialist.

So, in conclusion, who do you think the real winners were last night? The one you are rooting for, the one you hate or the one you know deep down will be there in the end? Did any of you change who you are backing?
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posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 12:41 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs

Good post, we typically don't agree much politically. Technically Bernie lost, but I also see it as a win, but disagree with the SuperPAC ideal.

Heard Cruz told people Ben Carson was dropping. He didn't have a shot anyways and also good job for Trump placing 2nd. I thought he would have performed worse to be honest. Guess we will just have to see how he performs later on.

There are 2 candidates campaigning against corruption, 1 really scares me, and the other received my first political donation ever. One thing I know I don't want any of the others because the "status quo" is very old at this point.

and S&F



posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 12:44 PM
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This is just a guess, on my part, but assuming there is some split in the conservative vote between Trump and Cruz, it indicates to me the combined conservative vote outnumbers the Establishment vote that Rubio received.

Would this be a correct assessment?



posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 12:46 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs

I would say Cruz and Sanders won. Both were projected to do much worse.

More importantly I would say Trump lost. I say that because we all know how very fragile his ego is and even though he didn't lose by a lot, we all know this loss is just stewing inside him.

His supporters may be taking it like champs, but I have no doubt it's eating Trump alive.

JMO. I support no candidate and am a registered independent.



posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 12:55 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

Trump was projected to go third or worse before the voting started, and Cruz was projected to win and a very tight race was expected between Sanders and Clinton. Whoever you watched, you probably shouldn't watch them anymore lol. Trump gave a very classy speech after the caucuses were over and then flew to NH.

Won: Cruz & Sanders

Backing: Trump

2nd Choice: Cruz
3rd Choice: Rubio or Carson.
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posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 12:58 PM
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Well, Hillary won the coin tosses. All of them, with a 1 in 64 chance that it could happen.

Seems fair to me.



posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 01:06 PM
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originally posted by: LSU0408
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Trump was projected to go third or worse before the voting started, and Cruz was projected to win and a very tight race was expected between Sanders and Clinton. Whoever you watched, you probably shouldn't watch them anymore lol. Trump gave a very classy speech after the caucuses were over and then flew to NH.


I don't know where you got those ideas, but they're incorrect:






....lol, indeed.

ETA: I don't 'watch' anyone. I was looking at all the polls.



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posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 01:11 PM
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Hillary is dead.

Iowa is a fairly conservative state. That means her potential electorate there would be leaning to the conservative of democrat, and SHE BARELY WON IT (with possible dirty tricks). When she gets into the democrat strongholds of deep, blue liberalism ... she's toast. They're far left. They'll eat Bernie up and spit her out.



posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 01:26 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
Hillary is dead.

Iowa is a fairly conservative state. That means her potential electorate there would be leaning to the conservative of democrat, and SHE BARELY WON IT (with possible dirty tricks). When she gets into the democrat strongholds of deep, blue liberalism ... she's toast. They're far left. They'll eat Bernie up and spit her out.


Us Bernie fans can only hope.



posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 01:27 PM
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I am not a citizen of your country, but as an interested observer it is clear that Iowa in the end will energise the Bernie Sanders campaign because of the shadows of fraud, lies, and impropriety that inevitably follow Mrs. Clinton wherever she goes.

On the Republican side, Rubio is the big winner for the elites, the establishment, and the oligarchs. He is the perfect front for their aims and goals.

Senator Cruz is a very bizarre person. I think with this victory he has painted himself into a Christian partisan corner from which he cannot secure either the nomination or the election.

I suspect that Trump could easily beat Mrs. Clinton. A dead gopher can see that she is a disaster of epic proportions waiting to unfold with endless scandals, indictments, and who knows what else ... congress with space aliens? Honestly, Mrs. Clinton strikes me as bizarre an individual as Senator Cruz.

Trump has proven to be far more than a successful snake-oil salesman. HIs second place finish in Iowa of all places is a Trump triumph. But his current personal brand raises many questions of authenticity. Does he actually believe what his current brand is saying with his mouth? Time will tell.



posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 01:30 PM
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Trump did not even attend and came in second!

This is louder than words....



posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 01:37 PM
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I've been following all the threads on this topic & I'm sitting here smashing my face against the keyboard trying to understand what it matters at all who wins/loses/ties in these things. This whole process is a joke & anyone who votes is a fool.



posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 01:37 PM
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come on people, wake up.

Microsoft donated the software to do the counting for free. Since when does Microsoft give away their proprietary software for free without getting something in return?

The fact is, Hillary is your next President, you all don't have elections only the rich have their elections.

Your votes mean absolutely nothing.



posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 01:45 PM
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I know winning 6 coin tosses in a row is possible, but the odds against it are reason enough to be suspicious.



posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 01:57 PM
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originally posted by: Informer1958
come on people, wake up.

Microsoft donated the software to do the counting for free. Since when does Microsoft give away their proprietary software for free without getting something in return?


Microsoft's political predictions should disqualify the Iowa caucus...
I wonder how many backdoor bugs had Hillary's name on it..... I bet x thousands!



posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: DeathSlayer
a reply to: matafuchs

Trump did not even attend and came in second!

This is louder than words....


Wait? I thought Trump not attending the debate was supposedly a great and fantastic thing for his campaign.

Now it was an obstacle?

Seems like you're saying he made a bad decision.



posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 02:12 PM
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originally posted by: DeathSlayer
a reply to: matafuchs

Trump did not even attend and came in second!

This is louder than words....


Trump did not attend the Fox debate. he DID attend Iowa and even visited some of the caucus sites, aired advertisements, gave speeches, etc. The polling suggested he had a solid lead, but turns out he didn't.

THAT'S what is "louder than words." Even Rubio was only 1% behind him. He did much worse than expected.
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posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 02:16 PM
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Microsoft's political predictions should disqualify the Iowa caucus...
I wonder how many backdoor bugs had Hillary's name on it..... I bet x thousands!


I agree, We The People have been scammed again. The elite stole this election from us, this time Microsoft was the culprit.

I live in NC and everyone I know here, is supporting Trump, everyone. Hillary is scum, no one can stand her. I have many friends in MS, FL, GA, all Trump supporters. I do not know of anyone who is supporting the corrupt Queen.
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posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 02:29 PM
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originally posted by: Informer1958
a reply to: imitator


Microsoft's political predictions should disqualify the Iowa caucus...
I wonder how many backdoor bugs had Hillary's name on it..... I bet x thousands!


I agree, We The People have been scammed again. The elite stole this election from us, this time Microsoft was the culprit.


He says with no evidence whatsoever.


I live in NC and everyone I know here is supporting Trump, everyone. Hillary is scum, no one can stand her. I have many friends in MS, FL, GA, all Trump supporters. I do not know of anyone who is supporting the corrupt Queen


All that shows is who you hang with. There are plenty of Hillary supporters in the four states you mention--unfortunately.



posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 02:38 PM
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a reply to: schuyler


He says with no evidence whatsoever.


The proof is the vote count does not match what the polls are around the country.


All that shows is who you hang with. There are plenty of Hillary supporters in the four states you mention--unfortunately.


Correct, none of us will support a woman that has a history of lying and in so many on going political scandals. People who are supporting Hillary are brainwashed from watching to much propaganda media.



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