originally posted by: paraphi
originally posted by: LABTECH767
Another argument for why we need Corbyn, cameron would never step in and stop this criminal activity but Corbyn would and would threaten these oil
conglomerate with forced re-nationalization of these assets if they did not play ball fairly,
To be honest, this is why Corbyn would never get into power. The tax payer won't tolerate propping up industries through nationalisation. The
government cannot run the proverbial piss-up in a brewery, let alone a complex industry! The last time they tried we lost whole industries and threw
away years of innovation and invention. Nationalisation is about as useful as a chocolate teapot.
At the end of the day, what we have is lots some unprofitable capacity in the North Sea. The oil industry is obliged to close down, or moth ball
affairs in good order. On Scottish Independence, one actually wishes it had happened because the UK tax payer may now be saddled with decommissioning
costs, because the Scots won't volunteer.
Excuse me, I am old enough to remember British Telecom, British Gas (When it was British Gas) and The National Grid when it was the National Grid,
British Rail (though Beeching had already done a number on the rail network's), The Water Board and Central Government control of council and local
authority spending and guess what it worked perfectly well, in fact I would say these industry's worked ONE HELL OF A LOT BETTER than they do today,
you could turn on your tap for instance and actually get potable drinking water without the need to buy a water filter jug or boil it all the time as
the water industry today (mainly frencha and german owned - thanks tory's) constantly cut's costs to increase profitability or even causes flooding by
not maintaining drainage ditches as effectively or regularly as they used too since they now work to a need only basis rather than redundant drainage
as we used to have which could cope with more than we needed (given that need is based on estimate only), energy bill's are FAR above market rate due
to our isolation as an island meaning a captive market rakateering monopoly and industry collusion, the land line phone network never needed
privatisation and mobile would never have been publicly owned due to it's purely consumerist nature.
Indeed can you show me one single industry which has benefited from privatisation? even one and I am not talking about the mainly foreign investors
whom reaped the reward of these erroneous and idiologically driven sell off's but are there any actually improved services?.
There are none of course but I await your answer on this, you are probably not old enough to remember but even council's used to run far more
effectively with weekly street cleaning even in semi rural town's and villages when funding was controlled centrally though it has to be said that
local authority's have ALWAYS been riddled with corruption regardless of which local candidate got him/herself elected and regardless of which party
they represented because they had less money for frivolous business de stressing trip's to private spars in london for weekend break's for the local
authority managers etc, I have family in the local authority whom have weathered both party's control and the coming and going of chief executive's so
believe me I could tell a tale or two of how my authority is riddled with corruption and misapropriation of public fund's but would not do so as my
nieces have to work there, the highest ranking members of the local authority's are on a freeby laden gravy train's much like the members of
Hell even the Coal board was only destroyed because of Idiologically driven motivation's, we still have the best coal in western europe if not the
world deep beneath our feet, clean burning low sulfur coal in deep seam's but of course you had a prime minister whom wanted to open up our coal
powered fire stations to private importers and her husband just happened to have massive investments in dirty coal mine's in south america which
produced high sulfur coal but could ship that crap in for penny's rather than pound's so to hell with local jobs and economy's she said or maybe he
did since I wonder who really did wear the pant's in that house with it's private financial and personal tie's to Fascist dictatorships in Chile and
Corrupt regime's in Africa.
You know I really DO want to see your proof that anything at all was better once nationalised for the sake of the British public, because Nothing was
or indeed is (Except british leyland which could not survive without government ownership and was run wrong all along anyway).
The whole spin put on it was that Privatisation would reap a short term boost to the public fund's (Well guess what the government's whom oversaw the
sell off's made sure that the bulk of that money was spent before Labour got back in?) and supposedly it would drive down prices for public services
and utility bill's (what, honestly this is what they said to the public - that private profit motivated organisation's would be cheaper to buy from
than nationalised and subsidised services and that private competiton was good for the economy, yeah right all our job's are in asia thank's
And that bring's me to another thing, Subsidisation of industry - IT WORKED, it kept people in job's, it kept the economy rolling through bad time's
and it help industry survive and our nation maintain independance.
Now don't get me wrong there were SOME industries that were wasting money and like I said earlier British Leyland is one stink in the bowl but beyond
that I can think of no other publicly owned industry or rather in the case of BL as the case was company (The car production sector was never closed
to private competiton this was not communism after all) which was bad.
Yes the trade union's were to a large degree out of hand but they were fighting an equally out of hand right wing enemy in a tug of war they were
destined to lose but no one speaks bad of the other side because as Churchill said the victor writes the history (no matter how many bone's it is
writen upon), how can you beat a bunch of crook's like bent politicians after all.
NOW Before you draw the new labour policys' into the answer I must also point out that NEW LABOUR was never LABOUR they were like the proverbial
cuckoo in the nest and actually were a group of what can only be described as closet disenfranchised Tory's and right wingers whom could not get on in
the Conservative party so decided to hijack the Labour movement and by the time the labour votors and traditionalists realised what had happened it
was too late, hence why WE ALL VOTED FOR JEREMY and believe me a hell of a lot more will turn out to vote for him come the general election if he is
strong enough to stick to his gun's even if many of us disagree with his defence stand point because this man has a heart and he speaks from a moral
stand point, but hey guess what he will not be making tyranical decisions so even if he get's in we will likely still have our nuclear defence as well
as a prime minsiter whom actually cares about the British people.
One other thing you overlooked is the fact these industry's also turned a tidy profit most of the time, especially north sea gas which POURED money
into the public coffers.
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