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Can anyone give me a real reason Bernie is bad for America?

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posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 07:13 PM
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a reply to: argentus

Well, communism is technically the highest system humanity could achieve... If humans were able to properly participate in such a system, but that's NOT going to happen.

Now the debate is, what system is best for the average person?

I'm betting that the financial stresses of medicine alone being lifted off the shoulders of the average will do wonders.

He says " At the very least, we can say no one goes hungry "

That is something I 100% agree with, and will not budge on. No other president has voiced such a thing.

Food, shelter, health... These should be rights, not questions.

Working standards and living wages, while lesser on the hierarchy of needs, should also be rights.




posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 07:13 PM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

Banks and billionaires "literally don't suck the life out of us". We give it to them. We willingly, under our own volition, open up our wallets, take out our money, and hand it over to them. Bernie doesn't want us to give our hard earned money to the wealthy anymore for goods and services; he demands we give it to the government instead.

So don't pretend human beings are automatons with zero choice but to hand over their wealth to the wealthiest, and to live in abject poverty. They do it on their own accord.
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posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 07:14 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

A tax on speculative transactions? So if the Dow dumped where to then? It will when the 1% sells off all their income to go offshore to not be taxed at 90%. Fantasy...

Businesses will immediately be held responsible for providing healthcare...but the government will also tax me. So, we do not have a choice as a tax payer or as an employer. Fantasy...

Free college. Free college...why? Who does this benefit? So we will have lower standards and good teachers will move on because they will not get paid what they should. Then textbook companies can continue the indoctrination. Fantasy...

These are all things that are privilege, not a right. I have the right to have or not have insurance. Not according to the New Bern Order.

He would be a great small granola town mayor but for the US as a whole, no, he will not work.



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 07:15 PM
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originally posted by: BlubberyConspiracy

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: ketsuko
Bernie is an economic illiterate.


That is absolutely false. Show us how he is, with examples.


I'll bite.

Proposal of higher tax rates across the board, which is a CONTRACTUAL financial policy, while the nation has a problem creative jobs, starting businesses, paying off personal debt, already stretched personal savings, already LOWEST labor participation rates, market nervousness after QE and Yellen's Fed Rate hikes and proposals, Obamacare effect going into 2016-2017 which have not even fully HIT yet.

Just to name a FEW pieces of the economic puzzle that would actually REPEL against a contractual "bottom up" Social based economic system

In other words how the F$$&%*#& is Bernie going to pull that off without tanking us first?


Usually the current scheme of things is to incentivize the wealthy to loan the government money to fund these projects through interest granting treasury bonds. And TBH that just exacerbates the problem as it keeps the wealthy riding the inflation bubble.


Compounding the problem is that the U.S. is very SPECIFICALLY corrupt and wasteful at State AND Federal levels across the board because our economic and political leaders have NO "ZERO BASE" auditing procedures and we are a DEBTOR nation.

These European nations that Bernie fans point to do NOT allow this crap. Bernie and his fans literally think we are the creme of the crop POST E.U. nations.

It's amazing



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 07:16 PM
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Bernie Sanders on Tax Reform

Q: Let's get specific. How high would you go on tax rates? You have said before you would go above 50%.

SANDERS: We haven't come up with an exact number yet, but it will not be as high as the number under Dwight D. Eisenhower, which was 90%. I'm not that much of a socialist compared to Eisenhower. But we are going to end the absurdity, as Warren Buffet often reminds us, that billionaires pay an effective tax rate lower than nurses or truck drivers. That makes no sense at all. There has to be real tax reform, and the wealthiest and large corporations will pay when I'm president.



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posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 07:16 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

America has the LARGEST consumer base in the world.

We consume.

We need business, we will always want to consume... - Just not crony/corrupt billionaires that mess with our livelihoods.

I'd love if every multi billion dollar corporation was replaced with 100 small businesses - Business would expand a ton, it would be volatile to a point, but the chance for the average american to own their own business and compete in a market...

Who can compete against Microsoft and Apple?

Who can compete against the Walmart/Target giants directly?



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 07:16 PM
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I like Sanders over the other dems, but lets be honest...

30+ years in Politics and Bern hasn't been able to successfully implement any of his socialist proposals. He's just an idealist, nothing more.
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posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 07:17 PM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

I agree with you.

The very least an American citizen should expect is to not starve, nor not be in debt as a result of health care.

Communism looks really swell on paper. It hasn't worked for [expletive] for the people any time in history that I'm aware of. Does that mean that it cannot? Probably not. Does that mean that total Socialism cannot work? Probably not. Does it mean that it must be introduced into the U.S. system in gradients, in increments such that the economy and overall political landscape can tolerate it? Yeah. Probably so.



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 07:18 PM
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It's so bizarre how we hear the hand waving about "Corporations", yet we don't look at CORPORATISM...and the transactions of the GOVERNMENT which have us currently into tens of TRILLIONS in debt, which will affect us and generations to come.

WTH?

"Corporations"?

"The 1%"

?? Huh?

People like Yellen and Bernanke can single handedly CRACK nations overnight with one stoke of a pen.


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posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 07:18 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

I'll agree our government is not efficient with their funds.

Bernie wants to stop funding pointless wars.
He also wants to take money out of politics, and stop subsidizing billion dollar corporations.

There's two ways we will "save"

Taxing businesses even 30% would be, at times, much more than what they pay now.

I personally believe in Fair/Flat tax - But I doubt either of these will happen, so the next best thing..



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 07:20 PM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

The US government is corrupt.

Bernie wants to make the US government bigger.



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 07:21 PM
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originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Yes. Very different.

We reward elite bloodlines with our money and labor.
We allow our government to far-over-reach - A government funded by the billionaires.
We allow chemicals in our food and water that other countries ban because of the known dangers of them.

There's A LOT good about the 99% of this nation.
and a LOT bad about the 1% of this nation.

The 1% are ruling. Not the 99. This is very central, and very much needs to change.


1) Define "The 1%"

2) Allow chemicals in our food and water? Like the mayor and city council members, hired POLITICIANS, in FLINT?


I think Mitt Romney defined the 1%, does it have to be defined again?



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 07:21 PM
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originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

I'll agree our government is not efficient with their funds.

Bernie wants to stop funding pointless wars.
He also wants to take money out of politics, and stop subsidizing billion dollar corporations.

There's two ways we will "save"

Taxing businesses even 30% would be, at times, much more than what they pay now.

I personally believe in Fair/Flat tax - But I doubt either of these will happen, so the next best thing..


War is wasteful...yes

Money out of politics...okay...but that has almost ZERO effect on personal growth , savings, economy, economics, fiscal policy, etc. Idealistic and correct, but no real HELP to the average person.

The Billion Dollar Corporations aren't the enemy as much as our OWN Government who are now...TRILLIONS in debt.

Say it to yourself....TWENTY TRILLION....with a "T"



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 07:22 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain


Bernie-Care versus Obama-care is not as wide a gap as people think. Obamacare is costing A LOT of money. Bernie-care would reduce medical costs, but not raise taxes as much as some seem to think.

The Middle-East war has cost trillions, will cost trillions more.

Bernie Sanders is against these types of wars. He'd rather sit down with a coalition I believe, and resolve things together, rather than fund a war that profits business ( look it up - Everything is about oil, destabilization of this or that country, etc. )



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 07:23 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Trillions in debt to whom?



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 07:23 PM
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originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: BuzzyWigs



Free college. Free college...why? Who does this benefit? So we will have lower standards and good teachers will move on because they will not get paid what they should. Then textbook companies can continue the indoctrination. Fantasy...



Free college is a fantastic idea. Several states already have it if you are a resident for 1 year. Why would this lower the standards of teachers or change text books?



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 07:23 PM
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Besides the reasons that many gave he looks unhealthy to me.

Even if he did become potus (uuuuuge if) the guy would most likely have a grabber in the first 6 months then who do we get???



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 07:24 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

The billionaires and our government ARE THE SAME.

That's what I'm getting at.

It's GOOD for the banks for the average citizen to stay in debt.
It's GOOD for oil companies to continue crappy wars in the middle east.

Show me a bad decision the government makes, that doesn't help a business.

Obama-care? Insurance companies LOVE It. Hell, they WROTE it.

I'm hoping Bernie + the people can get away from this terrible government, who are all too close to the terrible corporations.



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 07:25 PM
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originally posted by: thesaneone
Besides the reasons that many gave he looks unhealthy to me.

Even if he did become potus (uuuuuge if) the guy would most likely have a grabber in the first 6 months then who do we get???


He looks old, because he is old. He is not so much older than Trump or Clinton. he just has not had any 'work' done. he does not dye his hair nor try to move what he has over to the other side, or multiple sides, like Trump.

Sanders is 74, Trump is 69, Clinton is 67.
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posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 07:26 PM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

Ain't gonna happen. They always win, always.



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