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Can anyone give me a real reason Bernie is bad for America?

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posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:42 PM
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originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain


It WON'T work..

It IS WORKING.


"What" is working?

Be SPECIFIC


Okay.

What exactly is a "Neo-Marxist utopia," and how is Bernie going to implement this?

Since he has been a "lifelong politician," and a Senator for many years, why is Vermont not already a "Neo-Marxist utopia?"

I'm just curious, I hardly see Bernie as being Marxist.

Bernie produced a folk album back in the 70's. Hardly a "Neo-Marxist," if you ask me.

"Specifics."



None of that made any argumentative or logical sense. How can I answer a disingenuous mish mash of word salad like that?




posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:43 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Nope.

He's not.


Oh yes he is. He's old hat repackaging Socialism 101. If you actually took the time to READ the history of Socialism and the Chicago School graduates who are in the "Left" now, you would understand..



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:44 PM
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If you believe that Bernie is the 'answer' throw out ANY of his policy ideas and let's examine it.



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:46 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

No one has proven that this "repackaging socialism" thing is bad - They've used it with a negative connotation, but proving that the connotation is just STILL has not happened.

Show me how national healthcare is breaking Switzerland.
Show me how higher minimum wages in France, Belgium, Germany are "destroying the world"
Show me any shred of proof that the moves he wants to take - Similar to what other nations already had the sense to do, are bad moves. SHOW ME.



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:46 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

You know what, little brother?
I've been on this planet for 57 years....and counting.

I have been part of this movement since I was a kid.
That's 50 years worth.

I've paid attention.
How about if you READ about how 'centrist' his agenda is compared to "Marxist" states...
How about if you READ about how the Scandinavian countries, Canada, the UK, Australia, and other European MODERN countries have already implemented the very things he's talking about, and how successful they are; how high their overall Quality of Life is, .....

AND THEN
then come back and froth some more.

edit on 2/1/2016 by BuzzyWigs because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:48 PM
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originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

No one has proven that this "repackaging socialism" thing is bad - They've used it with a negative connotation, but proving that the connotation is just STILL has not happened.

Show me how national healthcare is breaking Switzerland.
Show me how higher minimum wages in France, Belgium, Germany are "destroying the world"
Show me any shred of proof that the moves he wants to take - Similar to what other nations already had the sense to do, are bad moves. SHOW ME.


I finished writing a practical BOOK in my first comment. I answered all of that.

Like I said, these nations that you and Bernie lovingly and point to with nostalgia and romance, are very DIFFERENT than the U.S. in very CENTRAL ways.
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posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:49 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

You know what, little brother?
I've been on this planet for 57 years....and counting.

I have been part of this movement since I was a kid.
That's 50 years worth.

I've paid attention.
How about if you READ about how 'centrist' his agenda is compared to "Marxist" states...
How about if you READ about how the Scandinavian countries, Canada, the UK, Australia, and other European MODERN countries have already implemented the very things he's talking about, and how successful they are; how high their overall Quality of Life is, .....

AND THEN
then come back and froth some more.


1) I'm not your little Brother
2) I don't care what 'movement' you've been a part of
3) I don't care what books you've read, stupid is still stupid...at any age.
edit on 1-2-2016 by BatheInTheFountain because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:49 PM
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people want to think Sanders is the answer........you can put flowers around a turd to make it look better but its still a turd.

you want to fix things......term limits for all.......social programs need to be "paid back" with labor......give free education but base it on completion of needed programs and grades

STOP REWARDING LAZY AND STUPID

We need an overhaul of the rooted corruption before anyone voted to run it all matters. People like Trump because he's the least establishment guy out there.....not because he's a nice guy.



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:49 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Thanks for the insult. I'll re-word that for you.

How exactly is Bernie a "Neo-Marxist?"

And please, man, don't just tell me to "educate myself," or "if you took the time to," because the burden of proof is on you - I'm not making these claims.

And - if he is indeed a "Neo-Marxist," and as you said "a lifelong politician," how is that his "Neo-Marxist," ideas haven't been implemented?

Again - your words, "specifics."

For what it's worth, I won't be voting for Sanders.

Side note, what is a "Neo-Marxist utopia?"
What does that exactly entail?



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:50 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Exactly, people keep saying " But we are not european! "

We are HUMAN. Reading a history books shows you the same successes and failures worldwide, doesn't matter if they are not in the same exact geographical place.

We also have more money than most nations, we could even IMPROVE on their ideas. Oh man, how USA could be if we got stuff straight...



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:51 PM
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originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

You know what, little brother?
I've been on this planet for 57 years....and counting.

I have been part of this movement since I was a kid.
That's 50 years worth.

I've paid attention.
How about if you READ about how 'centrist' his agenda is compared to "Marxist" states...
How about if you READ about how the Scandinavian countries, Canada, the UK, Australia, and other European MODERN countries have already implemented the very things he's talking about, and how successful they are; how high their overall Quality of Life is, .....

AND THEN
then come back and froth some more.


1) I'm not your little Brother
2) I don't care what 'movement' you've been a part of
3) I don't care what books you've read, stupid is still stupid...at any age.


Wow, quite rife with the insults.

As always, a promising thread devolves into "IM SMARTER DEN U MAN."



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:51 PM
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a reply to: DavidWright


STOP REWARDING LAZY AND STUPID

Wait....

you mean:
STOP REWARDING GREED AND SELFISHNESS AND DEPRAVITY AND TAX EVASION......
right?
Isn't that what you mean?



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:51 PM
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originally posted by: RomeByFire
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Thanks for the insult. I'll re-word that for you.

How exactly is Bernie a "Neo-Marxist?"

And please, man, don't just tell me to "educate myself," or "if you took the time to," because the burden of proof is on you - I'm not making these claims.

And - if he is indeed a "Neo-Marxist," and as you said "a lifelong politician," how is that his "Neo-Marxist," ideas haven't been implemented?

Again - your words, "specifics."

For what it's worth, I won't be voting for Sanders.

Side note, what is a "Neo-Marxist utopia?"
What does that exactly entail?


Do you have some misunderstanding of the Latin word "Neo"?



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:52 PM
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a reply to: DavidWright

I somewhat agree with some of this - I mean I don't think every single kid needs to be forced to go to free college by their parents, followed by dropping out and wasting resources - But I also believe there's ways to address these issues, and that the pros FAR outweigh the cons on issues like these.

Term limits I agree with.

Bernie wants to get money out - Maybe we people, who he admits he needs the support of - Should address things like term limits, as well.



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:53 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain


1) I'm not your little Brother
2) I don't care what 'movement' you've been a part of
3) I don't care what books you've read, stupid is still stupid...at any age.

LOL!!
That's it?
That's all you got?

yawn



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:54 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain


1) I'm not your little Brother
2) I don't care what 'movement' you've been a part of
3) I don't care what books you've read, stupid is still stupid...at any age.

LOL!!
That's it?
That's all you got?

yawn



No, that's not "it"...but it works for me for the moment.



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:54 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

stop rewarding that too......but ALSO lazy and stupid

In society past, you used to have to contribute to said society to keep it running well



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:54 PM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

Nope. Cannot find any reason.



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:55 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Yes. Very different.

We reward elite bloodlines with our money and labor.
We allow our government to far-over-reach - A government funded by the billionaires.
We allow chemicals in our food and water that other countries ban because of the known dangers of them.

There's A LOT good about the 99% of this nation.
and a LOT bad about the 1% of this nation.

The 1% are ruling. Not the 99. This is very central, and very much needs to change.



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:55 PM
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originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

You know what, little brother?
I've been on this planet for 57 years....and counting.

I have been part of this movement since I was a kid.
That's 50 years worth.

I've paid attention.
How about if you READ about how 'centrist' his agenda is compared to "Marxist" states...
How about if you READ about how the Scandinavian countries, Canada, the UK, Australia, and other European MODERN countries have already implemented the very things he's talking about, and how successful they are; how high their overall Quality of Life is, .....

AND THEN
then come back and froth some more.


1) I'm not your little Brother
2) I don't care what 'movement' you've been a part of
3) I don't care what books you've read, stupid is still stupid...at any age.


Wow, quite rife with the insults.

As always, a promising thread devolves into "IM SMARTER DEN U MAN."


But, I AM smarter than you.



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