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Can anyone give me a real reason Bernie is bad for America?

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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 04:53 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
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You mean, the banksters and 'corporate people' who buy the politicians? Well, you failed. The Banksters and Corporate CEOs are running this country. You cool with that?
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You mean those same bankers which were given the power over the United States' economy under socialist ideals by progressive democrats?... Are those the ones you are talking about?...

For crying out loud, stop listening to all those sissy liberal professors who live only to "re-write history"...

You must be cool with the liberal, and very leftist fat cats such as George Soros, Ted Turner, the Gates, etc, etc running not only the U.S. but the world...



what?......so......how did these "fat cat progressive democrats" get 31 republican governors elected? or get elected republican majorities in both houses of congress....are you trying to "re-write history" or just blowing smoke?




posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 04:57 PM
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originally posted by: jimmyx

what?......so......how did these "fat cat progressive democrats" get 31 republican governors elected? or get elected republican majorities in both houses of congress....are you trying to "re-write history" or just blowing smoke?


Looks like they're failing.

And failing hard too.




posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 05:02 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: jimmyx


I'll try and not be cruel, I happen to like Bernie....but, this is a "blood sport", and in a presidential election, the republicans will make him out to be baby-eating communist.

Actually, I think we have already hit that "hurdle" and are in the process of debunking it.



really?....I'm still hearing about "whitewater", "trooper gate", and the Vince Foster murder, all of which has been debunked decades ago.....it doesn't matter to the right-wing if it's been debunked or not.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 05:02 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Please read my previous comments,

I've already stated that Bernie Sanders is not a socialist.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 05:17 PM
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a reply to: GodEmperor

I thought so. But. what?

Because he is a "socialist". Yeah, I can see your point: he's not a "communist"-style socialist. People who say he's a "communist-style" 'socialist' are the ones who need education......


Your post just confused me, it didn't seem to fit your previous posts.

Thanks.

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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 05:20 PM
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originally posted by: jimmyx

what?......so......how did these "fat cat progressive democrats" get 31 republican governors elected? or get elected republican majorities in both houses of congress....are you trying to "re-write history" or just blowing smoke?


Since 1913, and it started even before, the international bankers have had the time to completely corrupt the political system of the United States.

It used to be the Republicans who were in favor of "the common people". It was the Republicans who were against slavery, and democrats were majorly the farmers from the south who wanted to keep slavery. The same way, it was majorly Republicans in favor of women's equal rights, while a smaller percentage of democrats voted for these same rights.

Despite claims to the contrary, it was also a larger majority of 80% on most cases, except 10 southern Republicans, who passed the civil rights acts. There were several civil rights acts, in the United States and in all of them it was the Republicans who voted the most FOR civil rights. Meanwhile democrats barely passed 60% of the votes. All of this was for the most part even after the Federal Reserve had been signed, and even after decades of corrupting politics in the United States. There have always been corruption of course, but not to the levels they are these days.


Civil Rights Act of 1964
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Vote totals

Totals are in "Yea–Nay" format:

The original House version: 290–130 (69–31%).
Cloture in the Senate: 71–29 (71–29%).
The Senate version: 73–27 (73–27%).
The Senate version, as voted on by the House: 289–126 (70–30%).

By party

The original House version:[20]

Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)

Cloture in the Senate:[21]

Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version:[20]

Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:[20]

Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

By party and region

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

The original House version:

Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

The Senate version:

Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)
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en.wikipedia.org...

The numbers to the left are "yeahs", the numbers to the right are "nays"

Since then the international bankers wanted to acquire all power, and made plans for doing so. Corrupting, and destroying the party of the people, was one of those tasks, and to make Americans receptive of "socialist ideals" they reversed the roles of the two major political parties in the United States.

"Socialist ideals" always leads to those who control the State in control of all the means of production, and in control of all aspects of people's lives "for the common good", which the State always dictates what that means.


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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 05:25 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Since 1913, and it started even before, the international bankers have had the time to completely corrupt the political system of the United States.

RIGHT!!!!!

So, then ---- what the hell is your problem with Bernie?


He's trying to dismantle that system.....
not "take control of all means of production." That's what the BANKS have done, and want to keep doing!!!! That's what the "corporations" have done, and want to keep doing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



How is it you don't see this?

WTF??????


*head: brick wall: pain*
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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 05:32 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
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So, then ---- what the hell is your problem with Bernie?


He's trying to dismantle that system.....
not "take control of all means of production." That's what the BANKS have done, and want to keep doing!!!! That's what the "corporations" have done, and want to keep doing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No...he is part of that system, only claims not to be...

When the State owns all means of production, remember that the United States has signed agreements with the UN, with the globalists for a world body to control the U.S. To do so, they have to turn the United States into socialism, and this is done slowly.

Social democracy is the last step before the U.S. turns completely socialist. Social democracy has more socialist tenets which will further allow the global elites to control even more the United States. Once that is done, there is nothing from stopping a one World Government.

You claim people should be educated, yet you ignore that throughout history social democracy was used to implement socialism, and even communism, and those systems always turned dictatorial.






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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 05:37 PM
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Social democracy, political ideology that advocates a peaceful, evolutionary transition of society from capitalism to socialism using established political processes. Based on 19th-century socialism and the tenets of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, social democracy shares common ideological roots with communism but eschews its militancy and totalitarianism. Social democracy was originally known as revisionism because it represented a change in basic Marxist doctrine, primarily in the former’s repudiation of the use of revolution to establish a socialist society.
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www.britannica.com...
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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 05:39 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

HOW ABOUT IF WE JUST TALK ABOUT BERNIE'S POLICIES
instead of your dusty old definitions??????

"Gay" used to mean "happy." It doesn't anymore!!!!! "Pussy" used to mean a "pet cat" - it doesn't anymore.

I don't think there are any further examples necessary....
but if you need them, I guess I can oblige.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 05:41 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Bernie is a social democrat... You can't talk about Bernie without talking about the truth of his policies, and ideas...

You can't ignore the reality about what it means to be a "social democrat" with what Bernie Sanders is, because he is a social democrat...



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 05:45 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse



Bernie is a social democrat... You can't talk about Bernie without talking about the truth of his policies, and ideas...

You can't ignore the reality about what it means to be a "social democrat" with what Bernie Sanders is, because he is a social democrat...

YES!

HE IS!!!

SO EFFING WHAT if that's what it's called?!!!! Have you listened to him? Have you been able to breathe enough to read/watch/hear/learn about what he's actually TALKING ABOUT? Good Holy God - we are not talking about conjuring up "Satan" if we merely utter the word "Bernie".......



So, why are you trying to obfuscate what it means??!!!

Why are you trying to say he's the evil one, when our entire country is OWNED by corporations and the super-rich?

WHY?
WHY?


I'm so freaking frustrated with this.


sigh
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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 05:47 PM
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Why are you obfuscating what it means to be a social democrat, and what Bernie truly is?...

You are frustrated?... Imagine the millions of people like me who actually lived under socialist and communist dictatorships, and see the same thing happen to the United States. Imagine those millions of people, who live in the United States and see people who use the same old lies used dozens, and dozens of times throughout the world to implement socialism and communism throughout the last 100 years...
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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 05:52 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Bernie is not your "previous ruler", or your "grandparents' ruler."

You are laboring under the PTSD of a stilted definition of a word that was used to browbeat you.
Same as Christians are suffering from PTSD from their indoctrination that they are worthless sinners deserving only of hell.....

WTF??!!!!

The Devil! The Devil!

Ni! Ni!!!
The Knights who say "Ni"!!!!

Okay, I'm done feeding trolls.




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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 05:59 PM
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You are done feeding trolls?... I never wrote Bernie is the devil... i never tried to demean anyone's faith, but you have done both things, and try to obscure the truth with inane rhetoric...

If anyone is being a troll, it is you. I am just pointing exactly what Bernie Sanders is, and not what he "claims" to be.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 06:00 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse


If anyone is being a troll, it is you.

erm, no

I am just pointing exactly what Bernie Sanders is,

So Am I!!! Except I'm not pointing out exactly what YOU THINK he is.....I'm pointing out exactly what he is.


and not what he "claims" to be.


Yeah? But he IS WHAT HE CLAIMES TO BE.......and not what YOU "CLAIM" him to be!!!!

For crying out loud!!!!!!!

Yeah.
Troll.

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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 06:04 PM
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Bernie is a demagogue.
That's reason enough not to vote for him.
I don't trust him at all with anything.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 06:24 PM
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originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Yes. Very different.

We reward elite bloodlines with our money and labor.


I am genuinely curious - WHY do you do that? I don't, and cannot understand for the life of me why anyone else would.



We allow our government to far-over-reach - A government funded by the billionaires.


1) Why do you do THAT? What are they reaching for that is your which you refuse to protect from them?

2) "Funded by billionaires"? Why are taxes so high then? Seems to me that the government is being funded by the proles, just as the billionaires like it.



We allow chemicals in our food and water that other countries ban because of the known dangers of them.


You know, there are things that you, as an individual, can do about that... do they strap you to a chair 3 times a day and force feed you what you don't want to eat? Why do you open your mouth for it?



There's A LOT good about the 99% of this nation.
and a LOT bad about the 1% of this nation.

The 1% are ruling. Not the 99. This is very central, and very much needs to change.


... aaand THERE comes the "utopia"! You're living a pipe dream if you actually believe ANYONE, Socialist or not, is going to allow this mythical "99%" to rule. That hasn't happened, in any nation, in over 5000 years (it never happened in any Socialist countries, either). Nor is it not going to happen now. The only way for this alleged "99%" to rule is to abolish all government and live by the law of the jungle, every man for himself - because there is not 99% of any population, anywhere, that can agree on how things should be run. "Abolish all government" ALSO includes Berine Sanders and his minions.

No, all you are arguing in favor of is trading one overlord for another.



posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 06:40 PM
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a reply to: nenothtu

I really think it's a strategy of the elite to convince us the world cannot be a better place.

What's your solution? Other than living in a house a hundred miles from civilization and being truly off-grid?

Also, not asking for a utopia. Asking for a situation more like Switzerland...
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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 06:50 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

No where in any of my posts have I said Bernie was a socialist.

Please READ my posts.

In fact, the first post I made, had a link with the title:

Bernie Sanders Pseudo socialist Senator: helping the Democrats preserve the illusion of political competition in 2016

Now, do I have to help define the term PSEUDO for you?

pseudo - not genuine, sham

Next time, actually read my posts. You might learn something.




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