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Can anyone give me a real reason Bernie is bad for America?

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posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:32 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain


It WON'T work..

It IS WORKING.




posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:33 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain


It WON'T work..

It IS WORKING.


"What" is working?

Be SPECIFIC



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:34 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

America has the most money in the world, period. We have the largest consumer market in the world, our household final consumption expenditure ( HFCE ) is way above any other nation - We can afford healthcare, we can afford better standards of living. We are number 12 in the world in GDP per capita - It's not finances that are destroying America, it's health issues, it's racial tensions, it's all these wars we keep getting into. Bernie at least is against funding multi billion or more wars for no reason.

It would take a ballsy president and being immovable in some stances, but I really believe it can be done. Your reasons are speculative, not factual, but I respect them as valid in the sense that I do not see you as ignorant, or wrong - I do not however, agree with them.

I believe we can and should model ourselves after countries that have higher education standards, health standards, medical... etc. Than ourselves.



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:34 PM
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a reply to: proximo

Bernie won’t get those things through a republican congress.

Believe me, he wont.



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:36 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Existing social structures for some of those who are most desperate. Police, public works, public schools, general hospitals, social security, etc....

What is NOT working is the asinine idea of allowing corporations to buy elections, to off-shore jobs and revenue, to avoid taxes, and to rape the planet.

What are you - 25? 21?




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posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:36 PM
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you all acutally believe that this hasn't been decided yet? guys.....


it's all a charade, so you can grab a popcorn, sit tight and watch, no need to be hyped and anxious so much!
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posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:36 PM
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America has been socialist since at least 1913.

But America's socialism (Overbearing recognition of the dollar as a NEED in every facet, nook and cranny of multidimensional existence) (enforced by violence) has always since been for the benefit of the few at the expense of the many. No one is saying Bernie Sanders isn't a socialist. But to also NOT acknowledge any candidate that subscribes to currency and its violent enforcement also as a socialist but one for the few power brokers which currency's indiscriminate grasp is made to let thrive is completely delirious.

Enforcing ideals that rock bottom or worse, even death is A-Okay in the happenings of America's indiscriminate preaching of the dollar. Notions such as Trespass, Theft, Loitering and Private property being inescapably enforced lest you work inhuman amount of jobs and somehow not die from injury, lest you become the chronobreaker fitting 70 hours in a day of forced labor to escape the designed encroachment of criminality to not paying inescapable fines...

Socialism isn't a perfect form of governance. But socialism for the rich is FAR worse.

Anarchy is even worse, and capitalism and communism never existed and cannot exist beyond a few seconds of their implementation on our current technological standing. The battle between capitalism and communism was a mere coverup for the fight over the recognition of which powerbroker's socialistically enforced FIAT DECREE holds water overseas. Enforced by violence by "both sides".

The sad part is that we've got to pick the lesser of many evils like always seems to be in America. Tax monies NEEDS to be funding think tanks to get us out of this mess, with bare minimum sentencing not being suffering, incarceration, and violence leading to death.

The focus on forced labor also needs to be removed from the prospect of our Nation and from the prospect of any adequate socialist system. Automation can take care of a lot, but there seems to be some that hold the ultimatum (not the fact) that the limit on the upper class is physically constrained due to a notion of a pyramid's anatomy on class structure.

These are the sort of discussions that need to be had in America, not whose false definition of socialism does the most damage to their political ambitions by which their "opponents" associate them to.

Labor, profit incentive and open market can come AFTER removal of a system that ENFORCES an immense class of those "not winners" necessary to hold the wealth of so few at the gross existence of the many. Because believe it or not there are MANY great things about contests for higher wealth and designed class mobility prospects incentives. After all without shadow and different shades there is no art to be found.

I don't feel I've made the whole point on this "socialist" jargon surrounding Bernie Sanders But I've said more than enough for the attention span of the Peeeeeeple who've read this thread.

Wake up buddies.
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posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:36 PM
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originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain


It WON'T work..

It IS WORKING.


"What" is working?

Be SPECIFIC


Okay.

What exactly is a "Neo-Marxist utopia," and how is Bernie going to implement this?

Since he has been a "lifelong politician," and a Senator for many years, why is Vermont not already a "Neo-Marxist utopia?"

I'm just curious, I hardly see Bernie as being Marxist.

Bernie produced a folk album back in the 70's. Hardly a "Neo-Marxist," if you ask me.

"Specifics."



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:37 PM
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a reply to: proximo

Other nations have an effective tax rate much higher than ours - I do not believe simply raising taxes is the best idea, but I suppose it could work.

See, corporate subsidies, tax loop holes, etc have corporations paying VERY LOW taxes - Some even in the negatives, this needs to be changed - I don't care who does it, but this has to change. It's been proven it's bad for the 99% to subsidize and otherwise allow corporations to have tax havens, avoid taxes, etc.



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:38 PM
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a reply to: Necrose

Yeah, some of us still labor under the impression that if millions upon millions of people stand up and fight - they win.



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:38 PM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

He has to get congress behind him, there's just not enough people with the same level ethics available to fill in the seats opening up. Thus, gridlock is unavoidable. Small changes first. Start local, considering that the previous mayor of my city bribed a few people and one of them was caught by the Feds and the former mayor is still free!?!


I think going for him is like trying to invent the concord and you've not even started making hot air balloons.
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posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:39 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Existing social structures for some of those who are most desperate. Police, public works, public schools, social security, etc....

What is NOT working is the asinine idea of allowing corporations to buy elections, to off-shore jobs and revenue, to avoid taxes, and to rape the planet.




Over 20 TRILLION in debt.

Hundreds of BILLIONS in trade deficits.

NO audits on our true Illegal Immigrant (non citizen) DATA...an auditing NIGHTMARE...for anyone who wants to centrally plan HUGE projects like Bernie...won't work.

Record slow growth

Record workforce drop out and non-participation

Record expenditures for SOCIAL PROGRAMS and no sustainability

If this is considered 'working' to you, you are delusional.
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posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:39 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

With the people at his back, he just might. Even if it's a small chance.. What other president is even going to try to go against the status-quo?



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:39 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

He can try.



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:40 PM
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originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: Willtell

With the people at his back, he just might. Even if it's a small chance.. What other president is even going to try to go against the status-quo?


Bernie IS status quo.



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:41 PM
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Buzzywigs said it right. Some of us believe if the people stand up, we can win. Have you seen the videos of thousands marching for Sanders? ( Not covered by media.. but thousands in cities is significant )

Have you seen the polls go WAY away from Bush, who is probably an establishment favorite?

Social media, the internet, and the like cannot be beaten by anyone, in my opinion.



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:41 PM
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Double post.
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posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:41 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Nope.

He's not.



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:41 PM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

you don't get it, do you? ...
at the end of the day, the poor people like us pay for it.

TPTB or whoever is sitting at the top will never give a damn about us, all they care about is their money, the corporate money and the money to conquer the world,... they are willing to rise taxes for people, not for corporations that work alongisde them on the very same grand agenda21 and propaganda to gradually enslave humanity... ... which I guess has already happened as I see rental prices in London being 3/4 of an average lad's salary, we are d00med.



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 06:42 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Proof? My OP asks for proof.

Show me his ties to billionaires - His "unknown" campaign funding from some corporation.

Show me SOMETHING. Saying he's been in so long he has to be is just not a good argument.




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