Iowa Caucus Discussion.

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: MotherMayEye

If the establishment is behind Sanders then they're really going to be regretting it once he's elected President.

Nah, not when Congress starts spending money under Bernie's $18 trillion plan. That money will make the Establishment sooooo happy.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

I'm surprised by the results. Can't say I saw this coming.

NH should be an easy win for Sanders.

There's a method to figuring out who has been selected for us. I honestly thought it was obvious....

Oh I don't expect any "hope and change".

We're screwed regardless.

But if the plane is going to crash, might as well enjoy the view on the way down.

I can get behind this sentiment.

This missing data that is being tossed about, I can only assume is referring to delegates. Iowa is supposed to 52 democratic delegates and 30 Republican delegates. When I look at the current caucus results on google and tally the delegates it seems even the republicans seem to be missing 3! So Iowa actually is missing a total of 12. Where are these votes?

Edit add: I mean if I was Rubio or Trump tied at 7 delegates...I would like to know.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I'm surprised by the results. Can't say I saw this coming.

lol! Well...but we've been trying to tell ya.....so there's that.

NH should be an easy win for Sanders.

Shoo in!!

This is delightful, really - although the suspense is aggravating in a way......
now at the very LEAST, the media will have to stop ignoring him.

I started feeling sick about Cruz, but then I thought - meh, he'll be easily beaten by either Hillary OR Bernie....
better to get Trump out of the way.

If Bernie's the ultimate nominee, you might as well cede the election to whomever the Republicans run, right now. I don't think Bernie would win a single state.

And I still don't think the ultimate Democrat candidate is even in the race yet.

originally posted by: yeahright
If Bernie's the ultimate nominee, you might as well cede the election to whomever the Republicans run, right now. I don't think Bernie would win a single state.

And I still don't think the ultimate Democrat candidate is even in the race yet.

Isn't that what they said about Obama? The same demographic supports Bernie with the addition of the coming of age millennials and their savvy use of social media and political sophistication and sense of ethics.

The GOP is going to have to come up with a better candidate than Trump or Cruz to not reenact the Romney debacle.

The Republican outfit I work for is scared s***less of Sanders. They were praying for a big Hillary win...now? The GOP could have formed a coalition against Clinton but with the fractured mess the GOP is now; they don't know how to deal with Bernie except repeat the "socialist" mantra over and over. That won't work.

a reply to: olaru12

Obama was the New New Thing. Bernie is more like a throwback to Eugene Debs.

I'm prepared to be wrong, but I don't think the establishment Democrats want any part of a Sanders candidacy and if he starts getting real traction and Hillary seriously slips (or is forced out), you'll see probably Biden enter the fray.

originally posted by: yeahright
a reply to: olaru12

Obama was the New New Thing. Bernie is more like a throwback to Eugene Debs.

I'm prepared to be wrong, but I don't think the establishment Democrats want any part of a Sanders candidacy and if he starts getting real traction and Hillary seriously slips (or is forced out), you'll see probably Biden enter the fray.

No one has any enthusiasm for Joe Biden. If he actually wanted to win, he would have been campaigning all summer, fall, and winter.

Besides, he's already waffled too long on a run. No one would take him seriously.

I don't believe for a second the DNC Establishment has been banking on Hillary and her *ahem* unpredictable email scandal. If it's really 'unpredictable,' then why on earth would they count on her to win in a general election?

The election is manipulated by the two parties that are in cahoots.

I still expect Trump to break from republicans and split the conservative vote so badly, that Bernie will win with a mandate to spend, spend, spend under our corrupt Congress.

Trump will profit, the Clintons will profit, the Bushes profit...they will all profit.

Last night my internet crashes, a third world AK thing-

Then I finally get online to discover the caucus results for the Dems are still in question, lol's.

This disturbs me:

Sanders Campaign Says It Was Informed By Iowa Dem. Party That Results From 90 Precincts Are Missing

The Bernie Sanders campaign said early Tuesday morning that it was informed by the Iowa Democratic Party that results from 90 precincts were missing.

CNN reported that the Iowa Democratic Party said it would need to “re-stage” the results of the caucuses in those 90 counties.

The Sanders campaign said the Iowa Democratic Party had asked the campaigns to “help them out.

CNN reported that the Iowa Democratic Party said it would need to “re-stage” the results of the caucuses in those 90 counties.

The Sanders campaign said the Iowa Democratic Party had asked the campaigns to “help them out.”

A spokesperson for the Iowa Democratic Party did not immediately respond to TheBlaze’s request for comment.

With 98 percent of the precincts reporting, Clinton only led Sanders by 0.3 points, 49.8 percent to Sanders’ 49.6 percent.

so urce

The votes were not all counted, was that random or selective in favor Clinton???

Coin flips, just wow!

Bernie did great and a big win is coming next week, woot!!!!

A tie was a big win for Bernie and considering the lead HRC had in Iowa it was an even bigger loss for her!

HRC is feeling the Bern!!!

Go Bernie!

Have a great day!!!

originally posted by: yeahright
If Bernie's the ultimate nominee, you might as well cede the election to whomever the Republicans run, right now. I don't think Bernie would win a single state.

And I still don't think the ultimate Democrat candidate is even in the race yet.

You seriously under estimate Sanders. If he wins the Democrat nomination the Republicans don't have a chance. The only thing the Republicans can run on is calling him a socialist and both the left and the moderates don't care about that label. The only ones who do are the group who isn't voting for him no matter what.

originally posted by: Aazadan
You seriously under estimate Sanders.

Maybe. Personally, I think there are a lot of wishful thinkers out there. We'll see.

So, we now have a confirmed win for Hillary.

What's next?

a reply to: yeahright

I'm afraid so.

They are underestimating Clinton. Not to mention a certain sitting VP who is not without a certain level of political capital that he has yet to play.

I'm not sure Biden would make the cut. I think people are moving towards Sanders as the established guard is viewed as sitting in the same spectrum between left and right, safe and not standing for anything. Biden I think appears doting, a bit weak and defiantly old guard that sits in that safe zone.
But just my thoughts.

a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

Same I don't like that at all. Still wouldn't if they had gone to Bernie. Alas that's what Iowa chose so...

a reply to: zazzafrazz

I think it's way too late for him to join anyway. Plus he didnt want to and he likes Bernie.

a reply to: Kali74

He could show up at the Convention and be nominated. It's far from too late.

[ETA]

Read up on the 1952 Democratic National Convention.

originally posted by: yeahright
a reply to: Kali74

He could show up at the Convention and be nominated. It's far from too late.

[ETA]

Read up on the 1952 Democratic National Convention.

Someone was pondering earlier on CNN if it could be a situation that on both sides people jump in at the last minute, Biden for the Dems, Romney for the Rep's.. Boy that would make for some fun TV viewing now wouldn't it?

a reply to: annalisa2016

I'm just sick enough to find that entertaining, yes.

The writing is on the wall for this election.

Bernie cant possibly beat Clinton. Iowa was one of his better chances and he couldn't even win there. Its a procession after NH.

Trump's campaign is as good as over. Iowa showed that 10% of his support are not ging to follow through on voting for him. That coupled with the fact that a strong turn out actually hurt him tells me he is a 20% man but will never be the nominee.

Rubio has the GOP nomination locked up. It was always going to be him or Bush. In fact i think Bush is his only serious opposition. Cruz is going to fade badly outside the evengelical dominated states.

It's Rubio vs Clinton for the president - exactly what the establishment wants.

To those that are calling fix on Iowa, please get a grip and realise its not a fix, it's just that Americans seem to like being expolited by their politicians, much like most of the west. There seems to be a great comfort in being victimised.