originally posted by: BASSPLYR
my personal opinion is weapons are relatively useless for self defense. if a person is ambushing you because they think you look like an easy mark
chanced are you didnt see the pre incident indicators and now don't have time to fumble for a weapon. so pepper spray, stun guns, a knife or even a
handgun are fairly useless unless you already have them deployed. and in that case you're walking around brandishing a weapon so that won't work out
well when the cops drive by and youre walking down the street.
This is a good point, but what I train in (Krav), the idea that the entire combat system is based on is being in a life-threatening scenario where the
attacker may or may not have a weapon. While there are three different tactical pistol training courses that my instructor now offers, it is worth
noting that Krav Maga consciously considers the scientific principal that a person cannot think both in a defensive and an offensive manner at the
same time, so Krav only has "defenses," which are reactions to attacks or aggression, but end in offensive movements to disable the opponent so that
you can either flee or create distance between you and the individual(s).
The latter is where my point comes into play--in Krav, we're not necessarily taught as part of the curriculum to use weapons offensively (at least not
in the early levels or any of the levels I've seen--we only have through level 5 in our school right now). We are, however, taught to disarm
individuals that do have weapons, and then use them to our advantage if necessary. And people like me who carry a firearm everyday, when we
"tactically disengage" from the fight, our instructor encourages us (if we want) to practice the motion of drawing our pistol AFTER the threat is
either disabled or you have enough distance in order to draw the weapon effectively.
krav guy. just wanna talk shop for a second. you mentioned knife skills and broken arms. how do you Defang the snake in krav? guntings or
something similar like in kali. also does krav have any tapi tapi drills or something similar for counter trapping and opponents weapon control.
also, in krav do they teach any offensive blade work?
I don't know to which 'krav guy' you're directing your question, but I'll chime in with my two cents, if that's okay. Keep in mind, I've only been
practicing the combat system for 1.5 years, so my knowledge about what is taught in the mid-to-upper levels is severly limited.
"Gunting" (or a similar technique) isn't something that I've come across in Krav, but one must remember that the system of Krav Maga is designed
around gross motor skills, so there is not a lot of technique involved in regards to disabling certain parts of the body as much as speed and power to
disable the entirety of the individual through broken ribs via knees, eye gouges, groin kicks, boxing the ears, elbows, hammer fists, face stomps,
etc. We do, however, take advantage of arm bars, wrist and arm trapping, wrist breaking (via trapping and an elbow in certain scenarios), etc. And
like I said, as I progress, I'm sure that the fine motor skills of aiming for specific points of the body and whatnot might come into play, but as it
goes with the strict Krav curriculum, I haven't encountered much like that. That doesn't mean that many of the moves we learn won't break arms or
disable knees or whatever, but it's not a very commonly specified goal, at least in my training (other than the goal of breaking ribs with knees...if
the opponent can't breathe, he can't fight). Of course, the training will differ dependent upon which system the individual school follows--our
curriculum come relatively direct from Ran Nakash in Isreal.
As for opponent's weapon control, we are taught methods to block weapons strikes and disarm the individual. Defenses against sticks and knives start
in level three, gun defenses in level four.
The great thing about my instructor is that if you pay for one of the three main martial arts that he teaches (Okinawan Kempo, Jeet Kun Do, or Krav
Maga), you have access to ground combatives (combative jiu-jitsu, which is also introduced in level 4 of Krav), and eskrima/kali (where you would
learn the tapi-tapi drills that you mention) for free. So, you basically get three classes for the price of one, which is really nice if one has the
time to go to all of them. With two kids and a wife, I'm lucky that I get to Krav on a regular basis--anything else is pure kindness on my wife's
As a general rule in the levels that I have access to, offensive use of weapons is not a focus of the 'civilian' side of Krav training. That doesn't
mean that my instructor doesn't teach us some, but I don't believe that it's part of the official curriculum, but don't assume that my knowledge of
that part of it is 100% accurate.
I train at this school
for my Krav (and other stuff), if you're interested in seeing all the stuff my
instructor teaches and knows. The reason I go to him is because in each thing that he teaches, he tries to get as direct a line as possible with the
top experts in each art, and everything that he teaches is training for real self-defense, not tournaments. Plus, he's the antithesis of what a McDojo
Anyhoo, I've talked too much at this point, but you seemed like you had sincere questions, so I thought I'd give it a go. Take most things I say with
a grain of salt, as like I said, I haven't been practicing very long, but that said, I have don't plenty of research into the Krav system, and I
always ask a lot of "why" questions during training so that I have an understanding behind each thing that we are doing.
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