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posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 09:17 PM
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So, here we are with candidates from both side of the aisle that are are unacceptable. There is not one candidate that represents me or my Libertarian values. Yes, I suppose it is a cop-out, but why would I vote for any of these clowns that don't represent me?

Every time I see a thread supporting Bernie or Trump or basically any of the candidates I want to throw up. None of these guys respect the Constitution or the people of this country. Bernie is a straight up Socialist which I can't stand and then you have Trump who is just as unpalatable in his own way.

This happened to me last election too with Obama and Romney. Both candidates were horrible, but I ultimately voted for Romney simply because Obama had already proven himself to be a complete phony and a failure.

I can't believe it is actually worse this election cycle. The fact that any of you actually get excited about any of these terrible candidates would make me laugh it if wasn't so sad. We are literally scraping the bottom of the barrel and I can't see me voting for the lesser of two evils again.

So, count me out in 2016. I'm done with this farce.





posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 09:20 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

Remember, your vote matters....or not!

Can't say I blame you.





posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 09:21 PM
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We are literally scraping the bottom of the barrel and I can't see me voting for the lesser of two evils again.


The old man said, literally, the same thing the other day.

He said, "What are we gonna do?".

I just don't know!

So sad! So screwed!



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 09:23 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

I'm just waiting till I'm old enough to write myself in a legitimate candidate. Once that day comes I'll be writing myself in ever election cycle.

Too bad we don't have a build-a-candidate option. That would be cool. Someone should get on that.



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 09:33 PM
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When it came to the election in 2012 I left everything not State and local blank. The vote for President doesn't really matter for a whole variety of reasons, plus both candidates are pretty crummy. I plan on doing it this year too.

South Park nailed it in 2004 with the episode "Douche and Turd." For those unfamiliar, they satirize that the election comes down to voting for two candidates: A Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich.



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 09:39 PM
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I am letting the debates do their job. I don't know who I would vote for yet, but - like the debates - I am eliminating candidates.

We'll see in six months who is still around worth considering.



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 09:41 PM
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I'm with you. I'm thinking of three options:

Don't vote
Cast protest vote for third party
Vote Democrat

I'm at the conservative/libertarian end of the spectrum and I'm in a red state. Note: in a blue state or red state your vote doesn't count. They only care about the purple states. If I vote republican, that just tells them I'll support them no matter how bad they are. If I don't vote unless I see someone I can stomach; my state becomes less red and my vote and my decision to exorcise it becomes more meaningful. If I vote third party, it's almost like not voting except I show the politicians more clearly they lost support from an active voter. If I vote Democrat, my state becomes more purple and it's as if my vote doubles in value. I'd just have to make sure the Republicans understand my decision is based on my dissatisfaction with them rather than letting them think I'm in favor of more socialistic policies. Respect the constitution and you get my vote. Disrespect the constitution and you not only lose my vote, I vote against you.

Of course, if I'm the only one thinking this way there's no point voting at all. This is a red state and the politicians will be completely unaccountable to it and me whether I vote or not.



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 09:46 PM
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I've been dreading the next US election ever since I learned about the 'best' candidates. It seems all you guys have to choose from is the insane or the obviously corrupt.

It's going to be a terrifying election



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 09:48 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
So, here we are with candidates from both side of the aisle that are are unacceptable. There is not one candidate that represents me or my Libertarian values. Yes, I suppose it is a cop-out, but why would I vote for any of these clowns that don't represent me?

Every time I see a thread supporting Bernie or Trump or basically any of the candidates I want to throw up. None of these guys respect the Constitution or the people of this country. Bernie is a straight up Socialist which I can't stand and then you have Trump who is just as unpalatable in his own way.

This happened to me last election too with Obama and Romney. Both candidates were horrible, but I ultimately voted for Romney simply because Obama had already proven himself to be a complete phony and a failure.

I can't believe it is actually worse this election cycle. The fact that any of you actually get excited about any of these terrible candidates would make me laugh it if wasn't so sad. We are literally scraping the bottom of the barrel and I can't see me voting for the lesser of two evils again.

So, count me out in 2016. I'm done with this farce.



Me, too.

No one is worth voting for and I won't be an accomplice to any of them. Anyone voting for a candidate of either party has no room to complain.

S&Fs



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 10:01 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus

So, count me out in 2016. I'm done with this farce.

Good for you. It never ceases to amaze me how many educated and otherwise intelligent people on ATS still squabble on about red v. blue.

I think it's a form of denial. We all know voting doesn't matter and TPTB will do what they will with minimal consideration for our consent regardless of who is "in office", but that reality is very painful to confront.

It's much easier to keep playing in the box they've built for us, even when we know we're in a box.



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 10:09 PM
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Not voting is valid. we have a right to participate in a free and fair election if we want, we also have the right to just say no thanks, these people suck, try again in the next cycle.

I see both Trump and Sanders both have parts I agree with and with almost equal weight. but that also means they have things I very strongly disagree with.
Hillary is just a no go for me. I think even if I agreed with many of her polices, she would do far more damage to the country than any good..and she just wants to be POTUS to be the first woman as potus..not because she has some strong urge to do good.
Vote for me, I got boobs is not a selling point for me, and outside of pointing at Obama and saying she will be like that but with better smells isn't really winning me over

And I dont like Cruz's politics..olde establishment republican. not my ideological representation..yeah, none of the above I am really seeing..but if forced, I sorta guess Sanders..he cant do anything anyhow, house and senate will make him a lame duck the whole time



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 10:49 PM
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I understand.

I also hold the view
that self-disqualification is the basis for 50% not voting.


While I don't hold you in this category, as you don't see a candidate that reflects your views. I suggest that is a naïve perspective. Has there ever been a candidate that represented FULLY your or my views, for that matter. (At least that was electable.)


The closest, for me would be, properly labelled activists. A President, by definition, represents everyone, of all parties and belief systems. Activists are and should be unelectable as they represent only a fraction of the nation.

The vast majority, IMO, fall into the "they're all the same"....no point...it doesn't make any difference. APATHY. Hence, self-disqualified. I am grateful for their sparing us their votes as the perceptions are lacking anyway...LOL.

A failure or inability to differentiate. So if the ideal isn't available then it's down to the one the closest to your views, that is electable. I don't not buy into the lesser of two evils mantra. I view it as who slows the downfall(?) or perhaps makes small gains/recoveries.


Now? This election? I see the nation in dire straights. It is not the time to throw up ones hands in defeat unless packing one's bags and exercising your pre-planned 'out'.


For me? Trump is the wild card. The 'potential' catalyst. either as a president or focal point for a later third party that is pissed off with the whole batch and network. Is he a 'two-edged sword'? Hell yes.


I don't expect you to agree with my choice or reasoning at all. Stand somewhere....or run...LOL. likely I'll be right behind you.....



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 10:53 PM
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Good for you man.

I respect you standing by your values and refusing to vote this election.

For me though, I am voting for whoever the Democrats nominate. I have Muslim friends, gay friends, some are immigrants. Every Republican plans to crap all over these groups. I can't support that.

Basically I'm voting against the Republicans this election.



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 10:55 PM
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I know you say you don't like Sanders because of socialism. But which of his ideas specifically are so terrible that you can't consider him viable.



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 10:56 PM
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originally posted by: Tearman
I know you say you don't like Sanders because of socialism. But which of his ideas specifically are so terrible that you can't consider him viable.





posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 11:06 PM
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It pains me to say this because you'll probably vote for someone who's against my priorities, but vote anyway. There are people running in local & State positions that need support. And small time candidates are desperate for exposure, so many times, you can talk directly to those candidates to become a supporter or to help push their campaign messages.

And even if you don't care for them specifically, 3rd parties need to get a certain percentage of votes or they can suffer different penalties (like being excluded from the ballot, excluded from receiving federal matching funds, excluded from debates, etc). In other words, the 2 major parties have deliberately placed obstacles to reduce the visibility of 3rd parties. So if you really are sick of the 2 party stranglehold, start helping the independents fight to get a seat at the table.

This is basically my strategy now. I stopped voting for the lesser of 2 evils & decided to vote for the most progressive candidate in every position I could. That's the only thing that gives me a clear conscience. So if that candidate is a Dem, ok. If it's a Green Party candidate, ok. If it's a real socialist: yay! If it's a communist... hmm, I haven't seen an actual communist on the ballot here yet. I don't know about that one; communism's too far left. I guess I'll cross that bridge if I get to it.

In short: vote anyway. There's nothing that says you have to vote for one of the 2 major parties. And there's nothing wrong with voting for and/or campaigning for someone who'll likely lose.



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 11:11 PM
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originally posted by: muse7
Good for you man.

I respect you standing by your values and refusing to vote this election.

For me though, I am voting for whoever the Democrats nominate. I have Muslim friends, gay friends, some are immigrants. Every Republican plans to crap all over these groups. I can't support that.

Basically I'm voting against the Republicans this election.


That's what I did in 2004. In 2000 I voted for Nader & would've done it again in 2004. Then the War on Terror, the Iraq War, and the other crap made me vote against Bush's 2nd term in 2004. I absolutely hate what the Repubs are campaigning on this time, so I can fully understand your decision. If I wasn't such an extreme ideologue, I'd do exactly the same thing.



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 11:16 PM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: muse7
Good for you man.

I respect you standing by your values and refusing to vote this election.

For me though, I am voting for whoever the Democrats nominate. I have Muslim friends, gay friends, some are immigrants. Every Republican plans to crap all over these groups. I can't support that.

Basically I'm voting against the Republicans this election.


That's what I did in 2004. In 2000 I voted for Nader & would've done it again in 2004. Then the War on Terror, the Iraq War, and the other crap made me vote against Bush's 2nd term in 2004. I absolutely hate what the Repubs are campaigning on this time, so I can fully understand your decision. If I wasn't such an extreme ideologue, I'd do exactly the same thing.


I've realized that nothing will change even if Sanders gets the nomination. I love his platform and I do really hope he wins but nothing will change.

Real change starts at the local level. If young liberal voters don't get out and vote in their local elections then nothing will ever change. Republicans will remain in power in state legislatures and Governor's offices.

Sanders himself has even said something similar.

But I also respect your decision to stand by your values
edit on 31-1-2016 by muse7 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 11:48 PM
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originally posted by: muse7

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: muse7
Good for you man.

I respect you standing by your values and refusing to vote this election.

For me though, I am voting for whoever the Democrats nominate. I have Muslim friends, gay friends, some are immigrants. Every Republican plans to crap all over these groups. I can't support that.

Basically I'm voting against the Republicans this election.


That's what I did in 2004. In 2000 I voted for Nader & would've done it again in 2004. Then the War on Terror, the Iraq War, and the other crap made me vote against Bush's 2nd term in 2004. I absolutely hate what the Repubs are campaigning on this time, so I can fully understand your decision. If I wasn't such an extreme ideologue, I'd do exactly the same thing.


I've realized that nothing will change even if Sanders gets the nomination. I love his platform and I do really hope he wins but nothing will change.

Real change starts at the local level. If young liberal voters don't get out and vote in their local elections then nothing will ever change. Republicans will remain in power in state legislatures and Governor's offices.

Sanders himself has even said something similar.

But I also respect your decision to stand by your values

Truthfully, I think we can both win. We can get as many candidates as possible that will oppose the far right wing's agenda. And yes, we definitely need candidates at the local & State level. But where I live in the South, many of the Democratic leaders are just as right wing as the Republicans. They tend to play "good cop, bad cop" with the Republicans here.

I actually think the Republicans have a secret plan to pass new Constitutional amendments. I say "secret" because the media likes to ignore that they hold majorities in Governorships & State legislatures, on top of the majorities in both chambers of Congress. I think their gameplan is to divert everyone's attention with the crazy Presidential candidates, while slowly building up the numbers to be able to pass a Constitutional amendment.

They would just need a supermajority in both houses of Congress to pass the resolution, and then the legislatures of 38 States to ratify them. I think they already have 31 State legislatures in their control. Luckily, the entire House of Representatives, a third of the Senate, and the State Representatives are up for reelection this year. So this disaster could still be thwarted.



posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 01:26 AM
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Most want the state to serve only themselves and who they care about, and will choose the party that will most likely do that, as you can see by the responses in your thread. It's all identity politics nowadays. No one cares about principles. They care about themselves.



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