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Pepper balls? (Israeli forces use them to fire pepper spray accurately at distance)..
originally posted by: schuyler
originally posted by: Sublimecraft
I must admit, I was not aware that the terrorists attacked the occupants trapped in the vehicle too.
The FBI spokesman admitted that. he said they were some sort of soft bullets with mace inside (I forget the term.) I'd surely like to see the truck at this point--both sides.
originally posted by: Sublimecraft
Yep - that's state sanctioned murder alright.
I bet anyone would do the same thing when being shot at - and he was shot at first by government agents THEN reached for "something"...be it a gun or gunshot wound.
originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: anon72
It looks like he opened his jacket and checked a wound on his side. That's what I see.
It's hard to tell but he opens his jacket puts his hand on His side and looks at it but doesn't grab anything, he couldn't have been grabbing a firearm because he used his other hand to open the jacket, if he was grabbing his firearm he wouldn't have been able to open his jacket like that.
originally posted by: bandersnatch
These threads seem to predominate with the same very negative posters.....
The proof is still out there for either side....
Till some real clear footage and some audio shows up. well be arguing till the cows come home...
Perhaps that too is an intended consequence....
originally posted by: jonnywhite
when Ryan Bundy put his hands out of the window and shouted they would let the woman exit, the officers/agents apparently fired on them. If that's true, why did they do that?
originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: burgerbuddy
Hey burgerbuddy. I guess you have proof otherwise huh? I'm speculating here from what I have seen of the video and what I have heard from reading these boards. I offered no proof above, only observation. My observation is not a pronouncement of fact. Rather a plausible interpretation from limited information we have been presented with.
You however appear to have made up your mind on exactly how this all played out yet I can suppose that the information you have available to you for a rational and considered understanding of it all is far superior to my own.
However I think not. Rather, your leap to invective innuendo indicates a lack of ''proof' of your position and are seeking to pump up your argument by wild accusations.
originally posted by: Mr Headshot
I was listening to Clyde Lewis the other night and a caller mentioned something pretty potent.
The caller was a vet of Iraq 2.0 and talked about how in Iraq the rules of engagement are such that you can not fire until fired upon. But here, in America, the rules are more lax for police.
a. You may open fire only if you, friendly forces or persons or property under your
protection are threatened with deadly force. This means:
(1) You may open fire against an individual who fires or aims his weapon at, or
otherwise demonstrates an intent to imminently attack, you, friendly forces, or
Persons with Designated Special Status (PDSS) or property with designated
special status under your protection.
(2) You may open fire against an individual who plants, throws, or prepares to throw,
an explosive or incendiary device at, or otherwise demonstrates an intent to
imminently attack you, friendly forces, PDSS or property with designated special
status under your protection.
(3) You may open fire against an individual deliberately driving a vehicle at you,
friendly forces, or PDSS or property with designated special status.
Also Shawna thinks Finicum was shot in the leg which made him lower his hands. She doesn't think he ever unholstered his gun. She thinks hte fatal shot came from one of those FBI snipers in camo with a long rifle--some 50 feet away or something.
I dated a cop for several months.
You sure know how to ATS!
I dated a dental heygenist. She liked to hang out with other tooth pullers and dentists. We had a lot of sex on patients that were knocked out. A couple of months and I knew how EVERY other dentist office in the world operated, and I'm totally not lying to make a point
originally posted by: Jakal26
a reply to: visitedbythem
One doesn't have to be "paranoid" to see Finicum reaching for his gun.
One also doesn't have to be "paranoid" to shoot Finicum in this situation.
.....yeah, they should just use "bean bag rounds", that'll teach em to attempt to pull out a gun.
Are you serious? (Wait, don't answer that)
He was dead because they intended to use deadly force and thats what they did.
Well, apparently, they suck at their intended goal because Finicum is the only one dead right now.
Which leads us to the next question, if they were so hell bent on murdering these people, how come the rest of them (that surrendered) are still breathing?
Oh, but I know, I know...you're going to tell us about the "over 100" bullets they "fired into the truck" now....without a shred of proof of that either.
Color me not surprised, or amused....