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The meme that might sway my vote towards Bernie Sanders

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posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 12:35 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: onequestion

It absolutely does, but I don't see it getting him into the White House.


well that's your opinion. you agree with the point but you dont want him in office. smells like bias to me.




posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 12:36 PM
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They want you to vote, OP. Don't dooo it!



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 12:36 PM
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a reply to: TorqueyThePig

Are you simply reacting to the word meme and that's it?



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 12:37 PM
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originally posted by: abe froman
Do you also believe Jesus will answer your prayers if you "like" and "share" ?

He created the middle class in the same way that Gore "created" the internet and I wasn't aware that elderly poverty had ended.

Don't be so easily swayed by smoke and mirrors.



that's not an argument only rhetoric (smoke and mirrors)

practice what you preach

you didnt even address the topic



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 01:47 PM
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originally posted by: onequestion

Oh give me a break just because it's a meme means it can't have any relevant information right?

No, propaganda very frequently contains "relevant information".

That doesn't make it the truth.



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 01:52 PM
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originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: abe froman

Maybe your right...

I just finished researching the new deal... Apparently that's the first instance of quantative easing and the first major devaluation of our currency, and on what assets?

That's what I'm curious about.


Somebody's got to pay for all this government largess.

And if the people who own all the money don't want to share any of it, then all a government can do is run the printing presses full speed ahead!

Which is OK with the people who own the money.. they just steal an every increasing amount to stay ahead of inflation.

Kev



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 02:01 PM
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a reply to: NthOther

What does what you just said have to do with anything?



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 02:03 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

Already figured in to what I'd said - $0.25, circa 1933 equals $4.56 circa 2015.

That is, living off a quarter per hour in Roosevelt's time was the equicalent of less than five bucks an hour in our dollars, in terms of purchasing power.



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 03:06 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

FDR was a scum bag of the highest order.

First, lets address this idea that the New Deal helped the depression which was actually caused by his bankster cronies.

How Government Prolonged the Depression.

Even though it dipped initially, unemployment actually rose after the New Deal. And these are numbers provided to us by FDR's own administration. How trustworthy are they? Just how bad did it really get?

Just look at today's unemployment numbers. We're told its around 6%. 6%, really? Look at how they fudge the numbers today. They no longer include those who are no longer actively seeking employment... Zerohedge explains in detail their analysis concluding that true unemployment is closer to 25%.

As a matter of fact, the bum's policies actually caused a 2nd depression.

Why did FDR establish a policy of endless debt and deficits? Because he was trying to prevent an overthrow of government by the poor. Hand out free money, that usually works.

Social InSecurity is bankrupt. Its yet ANOTHER failed policy by government. More money now comes out then goes in and theres no guarantee that the youngest people being forced to pay in, will ever see their money. Every year the government lies about inflation so they dont have to increase social insecurity payments.

And if all that wasnt enough, this scum bag, piece of filth FDR, actually confiscated the people's gold. And where did the gold go? Right to the private Federal Reserve.


Sanders, like FDR, will further destroy America.

Ron Paul says Bernie Sanders 'sold out' on Fed amendment.

Government intervention in our lives and the economy DOES NOT WORK. Even with the socialist's wet dream aka the EU collapsing before our eyes, they refuse to admit the error of their ways.

EVERY program government has ever touched has been a failure, from Healthcare to education to housing, causing bubbles and booms.

Sanders wanting to utterly destroy this nation with his failed socialist thinking and anti-2A agenda does not compensate for his 1 or 2 reasonable statements.

Study: Bernie Sanders's single-payer plan is almost twice as expensive as he says.


edit on 31-1-2016 by gladtobehere because: typo



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 03:52 PM
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Actually, there is also good research to suggest that FDR's program of government interventionalism deepened and prolonged the Great Depression, that it was only the wartime economy and more importantly the post-war period where the US was the only country with a developed industrial base that had not seen that base widely destroyed that got us out of it.


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posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 05:08 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

There's a lot of pretty wild accusations and misleading statements throughout this thread, so I'm just going to address the OP.

You hear a lot of talk about 'freedom' from the GOP, it's some convoluted definition of freedom from government.

What FDR and Bernie Sanders (in my opinion) were/are talking about is economic freedom. The freedom to take a vacation, to take a sick day, to go to the doctor without facing bankruptcy, the freedom to change jobs without losing your health insurance. That's the entire basis of a single-payer, medicare-for-all plan that Bernie is proposing.

FDR saw it with retirement accounts. Banks and employers said, 'Just trust us with your money and you'll get a retirement.' The stock market crashed and no one had a retirement payment anymore. Similar with the Great Recession, people put their money into 401K's and half of their retirement fund dried up overnight. Social Security payments can't go down, by law. Expand SS by making people who make over $150k/year keep paying into it and you can expand benefits, you can make the program solvent beyond 2050. We can do that today. You won't hear that from the GOP...hell, you won't even hear that from Clinton.

FDR employed millions of Americans with the New Deal. We had huge public works projects all across the country, the Hoover Dam being a shining example. Our National Parks built trails, walkways and roads. We built post offices, airports and bridges. Thousands of miles of road were constructed or improved. Mind you, our interstate highway system was still 20 years away.

Sanders, and Democrats, believe a similar public works push should be made. Similar to the Rural Electrification Act of 1936, we should ensure that high-speed broadband internet should be made available everywhere in America. We should rebuild our infrastructure that was made in the 1930's and 1950's. We should construct high-speed rail systems.

All of this is just 'big government' to Sanders' opponents. FDR showed that 'big government' can work.



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 07:23 PM
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Just remember one thing above all. One truth which cannot be denied.

Americans are not afraid of socialist programs. Americans love their armed forces and mail delivery and roads. American senior citizens live their SS.

What Americans are afraid of is just the word itself. The word immediately makes people think of the Iron Curtain and it's just a lack of education which created this scenario. That and Rocky IV

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posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 07:25 PM
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a reply to: links234

Yes, but what the government does not tell you is that your Social Security money is not sitting in an account somewhere gaining value. They do not tell you that they raided that fund long ago. They also don't tell you that the way that fund was originally set up, it was set at a age that was older than the average life expectancy ... in other words, most people weren't ever supposed to collect!

Your money is not saved. It is immediately spent on the little old lady down the street.

Most people will end up taking out way more than they ever put in meaning the program is losing money.

The whole thing is in desperate need of serious reform or it WILL go bankrupt and sooner rather than later, and that is what no Democrat will ever tell you. They'd rather show you scary ads featuring this or that Republican running your grandmother off a cliff.



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 07:27 PM
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originally posted by: spinalremain
a reply to: onequestion


Just remember one thing above all. One truth which cannot be denied.

Americans are not afraid of socialist programs. Americans love their armed forces and mail delivery and roads. American senior citizens live their SS.

What Americans are afraid of is just the word itself. The word immediately makes people think of the Iron Curtain and it's just a lack of education which created this scenario. That and Rocky IV


Yeah, we love the Postal Service Sooooo much it constantly operates at a huge loss and has to be bailed out, and most people who absolutely need a package to be somewhere on time use FedEx or UPS - both private services that out compete it.



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 07:44 PM
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a reply to: links234

I would also say that what you describe is not "economic freedom" that is the free market economy which is something we haven't had in a long time and FDR certainly is no champion of it.

What you are attempting to describe is "freedom from an economy." Simply put, you don't want to worry about all those icky economic responsibilities. You want someone else to take care of them for you, and you are willing to cede those liberties to a central governing authority for that security.

Those who surrender liberty for security deserve neither.



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 08:14 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

You're right. It does need reform, which I mentioned earlier in regards to making over $150k/year. You know there's a cutoff right? Most people don't know that, because most people don't make that much. If you make $250,000 a year, you stop paying into the SS fund around June. If you're in congress, you stop paying into it in September.

What does the socialist, Bernie Sanders, have to say about it? Strengthen and Expand Social Security


Here are the facts:

Social Security has a $2.8 trillion surplus. It can pay every benefit owed to every eligible American for the next 19 years (and more than three-quarters after that).
Social Security’s assets aren’t “just paper,” as conservatives sometimes put it. Social Security invests in U.S Treasury bonds, the safest interest-bearing securities in the world. These are the same bonds wealthy investors have purchased, along with China and other foreign countries. These bonds are backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government, which in our long history has never defaulted on its debt obligations.
Right now a billionaire pays the same amount of money into Social Security as someone who makes $118,500 a year. That’s because there is a cap on taxable income that goes into the Social Security system.


As to the postal service...why do you think they operate at a loss? Take a look at this graph. I mean, they were running a profit since the mid 1990's, then miraculously, they're losing hundred of millions of dollars. Maybe it's because congress decided that the USPS had to fund retirement accounts 75 years into the future! A retirement fund for an employee who isn't even born yet. You tell me if FedEx and UPS do that.

Let's get into that though, what does Bernie Sanders suggest we do with the USPS? Bernie Sanders has a pretty revolutionary idea to change America’s post offices


Still, there are still relatively few banks in many impoverished urban and rural neighborhoods, and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), a candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, has a big idea for turning post offices back into banks. That's because he sees them as a place where the 68 million low-income Americans who currently rely on payday lenders and costly cash checking services could manage their affairs less expensively. (And banking might help the beleaguered Postal Service's bottom line as well.)



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 08:20 PM
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a reply to: links234

Uh-huh, you keep right on believing that US Treasuries will stay sound when Bernie keeps on racking up the debt with no way to pay it.

Those things are effectively IOUs. They are only as good as the ability of the entity backing them to make good on its promise to pay.

I wonder what City of Detroit bonds are worth these days? ...



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 08:27 PM
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originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Erm... Bernie's actually not that bad when it comes to the second. No worse than Obama, at least. Plus, with a Sanders presidency, we may finally see something done about the 4th.


Bernie Sanders supports an "Assualt Weapon" ban.

He is not in any way, shape, or form pro 2nd.

"[N]ot that bad" does not and should not fly when it comes to the 2nd.
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posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 08:31 PM
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originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: TorqueyThePig

Are you simply reacting to the word meme and that's it?



I concede, as it is possible for a meme to contain true information.



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 08:35 PM
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a reply to: links234

Thanks for the post.

Tough debate this one.

I know corporations can't be trusted but neither can big government so what do we do?




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