Trump and the Pole Shift in American Fascism

Trump is a performer, a Trojan Horse an agent provocateur and playing a role that will destroy the GOP....does this sound like the plan of a Fascist?

You simply don't change from being a liberal in to a conservative in 1 year.

He is playing his supporters for fools. Brilliant in a strange sort of way!!

originally posted by: Astyanax

America is heading in a Fascist direction, no question about it, but to claim that is has been Fascist since the Kennedy assassination is lunatic-fringe Marxism.

All this talk about comparing Hitler to Trump while the real deal is out there chopping off heads and having children play soccer in town squares with the heads, launching gays from rooftops, burying whole villages of children and elderly alive while taking the women for sex slaves. Can't call them out though, that would be Islamophobic, better stick to bashing America by pretending Trump will be the next Hitler.

The real lunatic fringe fears The Donald, who is not afraid of the PC police who keep the real insanity alive.

Oh for god's sake, Trump has nothing to do with PC. He doesn't talk about the real issues like they are, a la Sanders, he is just a loud-mouthed asshole.

I'm anti-PC, and what I want is not what Trump portrays.

America may or may not be Fascist, but is most certainly an Oligarchy/Plutocracy.

originally posted by: xuenchen
The real and present threat is Hillary Clinton.

She takes the blue ribbon for corporate donations.

Thanks for the memories. Didnt the Obama campaign release a video of her as the country's leader a la "1984" style ?

a reply to: ipsedixit


There are two kinds of fascists!

Fascists and Anti-fascists! Puts in clearer light, doesn't it?

originally posted by: muse7

originally posted by: whyamIhere
Wow, are you overthinking this.

Trump is a guy who seems to love his Country and wants to return to former prosperity.

He's not Hitler...He's a pi$$ed off American with a very large bankroll.

At least you didn't call him the Anti-Christ...So, there's that.

If you want to "Make America Great Again" you raise taxes, provide everyone with a livable wage and remove special interests from Politics.

Just like how it was in the good old days, I don't think the Trumpster wants to make anything of those things happen.

We need to become a manufacturing powerhouse again instead of a giant service industry.

Livable wages? Stop inundating the worker market with cheap/visa immigrants. Too many available workers and wages will go to the lowest "bidder". Also, the cost of living is too high.



Yes lets raise taxes. We need to take $7k from someone making $18k a year. /s

a reply to: Astyanax

YOU really should practice your people skills ,toots.
OH well if my spelling is proving too difficult for you to follow,I suppose I shouldn't weep of the loss of conversation since you BARELY keep up anyway.
ALL the theory about how America is going to be ,,,from you.
Trump isn't a Nazi, the signature ID of one, christened him by the left...to include YOUR deluded bias, doesn't take into account the Islamic JIHAD issue the EU is facing and how WE are trying to stop it here.
ALTHOUGH the subject is ALIEN to you because, evidently ,you lack current empirical knowledge of the America psyche and how we think.
ALL you can do apparently is insult which you will now stop and join the conversation,like a normal person.

a reply to: Wardaddy454

"I need socialism because I think the government has my best interest at heart" - no one ever

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: ipsedixit

There are two kinds of fascists!

Fascists and Anti-fascists! Puts in clearer light, doesn't it?

I know what you are getting at but I think you are being a little too loose with the term. It's not a substitute for totalitarian.

In the intensity of a political struggle there is a danger of opposing sides becoming the mirror image of one another in their methods, so I take your point on that level at least.

Classic fascism seeks a government run by the State in combination with Corporations and Stakeholders. That form of government tends to avoid democratic processes in making decisions. It wants to remove ordinary citizens with no stake in the society beside a personal stake from having influence over important decisions. In that sort of State the collective interest is the dominant one.

In theory, there is a lot of common sense in that kind of set up, but it leads to a "corporations gone wild" atmosphere where many issues are decided with reference only to whether they help to move product or not. A pacific foreign policy is lousy for defense contractors, so lets make war and screw the poor slobs who actually have to do the dirty work (not to mention the victims of national aggression).

In the United States this kind of thing prolonged the Vietnam War and turned the Iraq War into a carnival of graft and procurement corruption. It is militarizing the police forces, not because of real security threats but because it is a way to move defense industry product.

It's bad enough when corporations are cooperating among themselves to warp the national agenda to their needs, but the worst possible scenario is when, as in Italy and Germany, a demagogic individual is able to dominate the whole process.

The problem with Trump is that he talks and walks like one of those ducks. The confusing thing is that he is such a knucklehead that nothing he says can be relied on or even rationally understood a lot of the time. People are left trying to assess his body language to figure out what he is about.

That, to me, is too risky.

I go into Trump and his statements in more analytical detail in the thread The Etiquette of Being a Trump Supporter.

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