Have you seen this ad? "Bernie Sanders - The President We Need"

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

thanks for the welcome. not sure what you mean by your comment, can you explain?

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I've followed bernie for about five years. He's a socialist, but he's upfront about it and I can respect that. While I respect bernie as a person I think his ideas are quite moronic.

I've had many long conversations with people about bernie, with people from vermont, and they have all told me the same thing: He ruined burlington. It was a beautiful city, a great place to live and visit before bernie. But it after bernie it became a cess pool. It became dirty and poor.

Now, if bernie sanders can't make burlington work like a socialist utopia, how can anyone expect his ideas to pan out on a large scale?

I'm not shocked at his rise. Hillary is not an electable candidate and the democrat field seems to lack one, so why not go with the pipe dream candidate? The true socialist.

(I better not hear that the left isn't a bunch of socialists anymore, they're trying and may succeed in picking one as their standard bearer)

a reply to: CosmicSmack

thanks for the welcome. not sure what you mean by your comment, can you explain?

Sure thing.

You typed this:

your right, it is too good to be true.

Nope.

idk why people want socialized education it will become like the public school system that is known to underfunded and ineffective.

Nope. Public schools do fine when they are funded.

also even with his corporate tax (witch will hurt the average American more then help them)

Nope. It will only hurt the rich CEOs and off-shored companies.

it will no where near the amount of money needed to fund it.

Nope. The rich and the off-shored corporations and those who take "corporate welfare" will be cut off. Wall Street investors will be taxed a fraction of a percent on every speculative transaction. Lots and lots of money. Have you seen Office Space?

it will give us more debt.

Nope.

socialism bankrupts countries look at any socialist country in history it never works and in many cases leads to totalitarianism.

Nope.
By all standards, Bernie's plan is "centrist" - it is nowhere near 'communism' or what you all think is "socialism."

my final point is that socialism is simply UN-american, it stands against what America represents.

Nope.
Give me your weak, hungry, huddled masses.......
Also, THIS:

so in short socialism is bad mmmkay.

Nope.

sanders is just telling you what you want to here and is mind F###king you with the word "free"

and......

Nope.

Any other questions?

This thread just exemplifies how afraid the conservatives are of Sanders. And they should be.....

a reply to: Dfairlite

The net effect of all this outsized fearmongering, combined with the economic and social buffeting the United States has gone through over the last couple of decades, is that the word “socialism” has been denuded of the negative associations that scares the crap out of Fox News viewers. Polling over the last few years has shown Americans are much more receptive to some of what socialism has to offer and will not wet themselves in fear when they hear the word. This is particularly true of younger people who were in grade school when the Soviet Union collapsed. In 2011, a Pew Research Center poll found that 49 percent of 18-to-29-year-olds had a positive view of socialism. Considering the enthusiasm of that age group for Bernie Sanders, it seems safe to assume that number has at the very least remained stable, if not gone up.

www.salon.com...

a reply to: AlaskanDad

Thanks for posting that....

I'm going to post it also, but with the title:

Bad news for the GOP: America isn’t scared of Bernie’s “socialism”

So few understand this!!!!

Now in the upcoming presidential election, the GOP could get a hard lesson from “The Boy Who Cried Wolf.” Maybe despite their sneering advice to college students to forego liberal arts educations, at least some of them should have majored in literature.


Let us savor the irony. The simple moral of “The Boy Who Cried Wolf,” as stated at the end of the Greek version of the fable, goes like so: “This shows how liars are rewarded. Even if they tell the truth, no one believes them.”

After decades of crying wolf over various Democrats trying to turn America into a socialist dystopia, Republicans might finally face a self-described socialist in a presidential election

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

i disagree, if you tax corporations too much they will simply move to where they can profit more. also if they have less money they don't give employees raises or hire new ones so less jobs, which mean less money for the average American. i agree that the 1% are milking the world dry but that does not mean every rich person is bad and should not be punished for being successful. if you give more power to the government you are giving power to the 1% any way cause they run our government.

idk where you grew up but public schools where i am from are so bad(Bronx new York). government does not do a good job at managing anything if they did we would not be in massive debt.

taxation is the power to destroy. socialism creates a bigger government giving more people hand outs making them dependent on the system and destroys incentive. more government programs means more tax, which means less money in your pocket, which means less buying, which affects economic growth. look at Greece, Italy, France's for examples on socialist economic fails.

socialism is anti-American in terms of values and simply does not work history will tell you that. socialism is just a block way from communism we need less government not more. he also wants more gun control which is a no no for me.
sanders said him self that he would back who ever the democrats choose meaning he will throw out his believes and support some one like Hilary, who i'm sure most people know is pure evil.

my choice is rand paul, but we all know the game is rigged and our votes don't really matter. we need to fire our government all together and get rid of the fed. Populism all the way. thank you for your response.

a reply to: CosmicSmack

if you tax corporations too much they will simply move to where they can profit more.

They already have done that.

also if they have less money

Because that is what would happen if they pay a living wage to Americans.....

but instead they are expecting (taking advantage of the fact that) the American, working taxpayers to dole out the rest to ensure their employees can eat and have housing......while they add digits to their digital spread-sheets.......


oh, wait. They're already doing that, too.
But their precious "shareholders" are doing just fine, thank you very much.

they don't give employees raises or hire new ones so less jobs,

Right. They don't give American employees raises, or hire new American workers.....
They ship all the jobs to India and Taiwan.......for way way less money, and way way fewer (if any) taxes.....which means less money for the average American worker, but puts those American workers on food stamps so YOU (and I) have to pull up the slack.

Do you really not get this? Are you okay with that?

JimBob Billionaire, Inc. pays its employees poverty-level wages....but JimBob Billionaire's kids inherit billions....
and pay no taxes on it.

You're fine with that?

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I agree that there are problems,but i agree to disagree about sanders and socialism. i think its going to make things worst and sanders is an establishment candidate because he has never had a job out side the establishment.

i see no problem with passing your wealth to your kids and i think the government should not tax it. i am going to Inherited from my grandparents and parents, as well as give my wealth to my children and grandchild. i see nothing wrong with that; it is something that humans have always done. socialism makes stealing legal under the name wealth distribution. socialism is an attack on the family unit and aims to replace it with the "system" most taxes that the American people pay are used for wars they don't want to be in and wasted by our leaders. most tax is unjust in my view and the founding fathers are turning in their graves.

socialism gets taken over by special and they live in mansions while we are all equally poor. it takes away freedom because the top decide what is good for the citizen not the citizen. it is against everything America is supposed to represent. it creates hell where ever its tried; it destroys incentive and innovation which destroys wealth.

socialism floats like a lead blimp.

originally posted by: AlaskanDad
a reply to: Dfairlite

The net effect of all this outsized fearmongering, combined with the economic and social buffeting the United States has gone through over the last couple of decades, is that the word “socialism” has been denuded of the negative associations that scares the crap out of Fox News viewers. Polling over the last few years has shown Americans are much more receptive to some of what socialism has to offer and will not wet themselves in fear when they hear the word. This is particularly true of younger people who were in grade school when the Soviet Union collapsed. In 2011, a Pew Research Center poll found that 49 percent of 18-to-29-year-olds had a positive view of socialism. Considering the enthusiasm of that age group for Bernie Sanders, it seems safe to assume that number has at the very least remained stable, if not gone up.

Good for you? I'm not sure why you thought that had anything to do with my post.

One thing I do wonder about though, is how many of those millenials thought that socialism meant the use of social media lol. millennials are mostly idiotic (I'm a borderline part of that generation, I can talk bad about my own) and really don't have an understanding of how the world works. Not because they're any dumber than prior generations, but because they're young and lack experience. Just like people age and like classical music, people age and realize socialism (nor communism) doesn't work because there are no angels to run it.

a reply to: Dfairlite

I'm taking a mandatory class on globalization. the girl next me did not know what communism was. It makes makes me sad how clueless my peers are.

a reply to: CosmicSmack

the girl next me did not know what communism was. It makes makes me sad how clueless my peers are.

Does she know what "democratic socialism" is?
Do you?
It makes me sad how clueless my peers are about it, and don't know what it is, but pretend they do, and demonize it.

Here is what Democratic Socialsim is, so disabuse your peers, please, of the loud-mouths calling him a "Commie."

(SPOILER: It has nothing to do with "the state owning all businesses" or "starving millions to death". Quite the opposite:
it's the state REGULATING all businesses, and PREVENTING the starvation of millions.)

Please.
I beg you - please!!
Learn about it - insist your class learn about it. And if your class is already learning about it, please please come back here and tell us what you are learning.

Thanks.


ETA: In case you can't click on the provided sources, here's a little extext from the first.....

Q:
Hasn't socialism been discredited by the collapse of Communism in the USSR and Eastern Europe?

A:
Socialists have been among the harshest critics of authoritarian Communist states. Just because their bureaucratic elites called them “socialist” did not make it so; they also called their regimes “democratic.” Democratic socialists always opposed the ruling party-states of those societies, just as we oppose the ruling classes of capitalist societies. We applaud the democratic revolutions that have transformed the former Communist bloc. However, the improvement of people’s lives requires real democracy without ethnic rivalries and/or new forms of authoritarianism. Democratic socialists will continue to play a key role in that struggle throughout the world.

Hop aboard the train to sanity, Snack.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I wish when people refuted anything about Bernie, they at least used facts.

I'm going crazy hearing all these people screaming about "90%" tax rates and upcoming communism, it's extreme ignorance.

a reply to: deadlyhope

So am I.
And no matter how many times we post sources refuting that, and him talking about it himself, they still. Don't. Listen.

And then there's this stuff, which refutes how "the South" doesn't support him:





IT. IS. REAL. It is happening.

You guys afraid to look at the footage? At the history of this? If you don't want to watch a lengthy "ad", then watch this lengthier MORNING JOE discussion.

7,000 in Alabama including PEOPLE OF COLOR at the MLK rally.....

Or, watch the top link in my sig.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

For those that do not watch videos-


I just read this:

Sen. Bernie Sanders received his third endorsement from a black South Carolina legislator in two weeks today. Rep. Joe Neal, a Richland County Democrat, endorsed the presidential candidate in a press conference at the State House.

Sanders received the endorsements of Rep. Wendell Gilliard (D-Charleston) and Rep. Justin Bamberg (D-Barnwell) last week. Barnwell had previously endorsed former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, but rescinded that endorsement and gave it to Sanders. Neal, a pastor from Hopkins, is the fourth longest-serving member of the S.C. House of Representatives.

source


Then there is this:

It's hard to miss rapper Killer Mike. His tenacity, stature, presence, and the fact that he will go down in the history of hip-hop legends—a living, breathing political hip-hop genius in our lifetime. And the rapper's brilliance goes far beyond moving the crowd as he performs songs like 'God In The Building' and 'Reagan': He has wept for Black America in light of the cycle of cataclysmic injustices and galvanized the perked ears of Black voters.

His presidential candidateof choice, like many other Black American leaders, is Bernie Sanders. Why he'd walk this path with Sanders is obvious. Sanders has made it clear that he wants to do right by an American people marred by two decades of explicit oligarchic plunder and bought elections. If you're middle class, he's the best thing since sliced bread. If you're impoverished he is sliced bread. If you're wealthy, he's robbing your bread factory. Killer Mike's message to Black America: Either you "Feel the Bern," or risk getting burned again.

source

a reply to: AlaskanDad

Thank you.
I just logged onto his site and made another contribution......
every day that I spend listening to these POTUS contenders I feel numb/nauseated ---- except when I listen to Bernie......

My youngest turned 25 today in the predawn hours.
I care about what happens to/for him and his older sister; and they are both working, intelligent, thoughtful people. Under 30, employed, present and accounted for.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I am 60 yrs old and have never been excited about a presidential contender this early in the nomination process, Mr Sanders has sure changed that!

A vote for Mr Sanders is a vote for the future of the people!

A vote for HRC is a vote for corporate criminals.

a reply to: AlaskanDad

Yep, I'll be 58 this year, and I feel like a kid on Christmas Eve!!!!
Like I said, this is as exciting as a basketball playoff!! But SO MUCH MORE important.......


High five, man, high five!

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Why are you surprised? He is as much an outsider to the establishment as Ted Cruz is. Honestly Rubio made the best comment of the night on the GOP debate.

Bernie Sanders is a good candidate for President....................for Sweden!!! First intelligent thing I have heard Rubio say in this election!

You like Rubio knows next to nothing about Bernie Sanders. It would also help if Rubio knew anything about the founders and history of this nation. Thomas Jefferson said the wealthy should be tax for every cent they could get out of them to pay for social services and the founders also started taxing incoming ships to pay for medical services for sailors. Bernie would make a great president far better than a thief like Rubio.