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Washington Post: Rand Paul big winner in last night's debate.

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posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 02:28 PM
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Winners • Rand Paul:

Maybe the senator just needed to take a debate off. After not making the main stage in the sixth debate (and refusing to appear in the undercard debate), Paul was a major player in this one.

Nice to finally see some positive remarks (or any remarks for that matter) about Rand Paul. TPTB act as though he's not running, which is by design. They dont trust the man.

Of all the candidates, he's the only person I'd vote for. Many have criticized some of his more status-quo positions and rightfully so.

However, many of us belioeve that he is a true Trojan Horse candidate.

He realized that the you cannot be as anti-establishment as his father and expect to get anywhere near the White House. Once he gets in (if not now, later), expect the unexpected.




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posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 02:38 PM
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Rand is not his father and his vote on Agriculture Reform, Food, and Jobs Act of 2012 (S. 3240) where he voted in favor of Corporations over consumers rights did me with him.

Surprisingly though? In checking on my response to you I did find ONE reason to like Bernie Sanders!!! He was a sponsor for this bill!!!



posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 02:53 PM
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The Post is out to lunch. Nearly every other source, pundit, and poll, even Dems, says Rubio won at the expense of Cruz.



posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 02:57 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: gladtobehere


Rand is not his father and his vote on Agriculture Reform, Food, and Jobs Act of 2012 (S. 3240) where he voted in favor of Corporations over consumers rights did me with him.

Surprisingly though? In checking on my response to you I did find ONE reason to like Bernie Sanders!!! He was a sponsor for this bill!!!



Paul is definitely my favorite and his private events have been very good.

I would have to look at that bill to comment properly on it which I haven't yet.

That said, any bill that rewards or punishes private enterprise is necessarily interventionist and, therefore, anti-capitalist.

If a company is not providing a product or service adequately, they should be eclipsed by one that does. If no competition exists, it is always due to government's interventionist policies that dissuade or outright forbid competition.

It isn't the job of government to protect consumers or producers.



posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 03:02 PM
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originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: gladtobehere


Rand is not his father and his vote on Agriculture Reform, Food, and Jobs Act of 2012 (S. 3240) where he voted in favor of Corporations over consumers rights did me with him.

Surprisingly though? In checking on my response to you I did find ONE reason to like Bernie Sanders!!! He was a sponsor for this bill!!!



Paul is definitely my favorite and his private events have been very good.

I would have to look at that bill to comment properly on it which I haven't yet.

That said, any bill that rewards or punishes private enterprise is necessarily interventionist and, therefore, anti-capitalist.

If a company is not providing a product or service adequately, they should be eclipsed by one that does. If no competition exists, it is always due to government's interventionist policies that dissuade or outright forbid competition.

It isn't the job of government to protect consumers or producers.


I was a big supporter of him until he voted the way he did on that bill. It isn't like he was luke warm with me, he just pissed me off to where I felt he was no different than the other Corporatists we have running our country. I still like him, but he lost my trust.....



posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 03:02 PM
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a reply to: schuyler

Who cares what the media thinks about. They just regurgitate what they're supposed to.

Everyone wins when Trump isn't there.

What brought that on, anybody?



posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 03:03 PM
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a reply to: seeker1963

Cool, I'll look into it.



posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 03:18 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: gladtobehere


Rand is not his father and his vote on Agriculture Reform, Food, and Jobs Act of 2012 (S. 3240) where he voted in favor of Corporations over consumers rights did me with him.

Surprisingly though? In checking on my response to you I did find ONE reason to like Bernie Sanders!!! He was a sponsor for this bill!!!



So, I read the actual bill first and assumed that you meant that he voted for it and was ready to concede a major failure to adhere to principals on his part but, according to FreedomWorks, he actually voted against it.

S.3240 - Agriculture Reform, Food, and Jobs Act of 2012

From FreedomWorks:


S. 3240 - The Agriculture Reform, Food, and Jobs Act (Farm Bill)

This bill extends the farm subsidy and crop insurance programs, which are among the largest corporate welfare programs in the federal government. These subsidies largely go to well-connected large farm corporations and make it difficult for small family farms to compete in the marketplace. This bill also contains greatly expanded funding for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, better known as "food stamps". 80 percent of the "farm bill" actually goes towards funding the food stamp program, a widely-abused welfare program which should be voted on as as a standalone bill instead of being hidden in an unrelated bill.



posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 03:39 PM
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originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: gladtobehere


Rand is not his father and his vote on Agriculture Reform, Food, and Jobs Act of 2012 (S. 3240) where he voted in favor of Corporations over consumers rights did me with him.

Surprisingly though? In checking on my response to you I did find ONE reason to like Bernie Sanders!!! He was a sponsor for this bill!!!



So, I read the actual bill first and assumed that you meant that he voted for it and was ready to concede a major failure to adhere to principals on his part but, according to FreedomWorks, he actually voted against it.

S.3240 - Agriculture Reform, Food, and Jobs Act of 2012

From FreedomWorks:


S. 3240 - The Agriculture Reform, Food, and Jobs Act (Farm Bill)

This bill extends the farm subsidy and crop insurance programs, which are among the largest corporate welfare programs in the federal government. These subsidies largely go to well-connected large farm corporations and make it difficult for small family farms to compete in the marketplace. This bill also contains greatly expanded funding for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, better known as "food stamps". 80 percent of the "farm bill" actually goes towards funding the food stamp program, a widely-abused welfare program which should be voted on as as a standalone bill instead of being hidden in an unrelated bill.


Ok, I usually agree with you pretty much and I am wondering if this "Consumer Right to Know" was attached as a rider on this vote. Guess I have to do what you just did....

I do pay attention to what you have to say because you usually back it up or do what you just did. Grrrrrrr.



Like I said, I like him, but even if I did say I would vote for him, does it matter at this point? Other than making myself feel good for what I thought was the right thing to do by writing his name in as I did his father, will it make a difference in the world or for my conscious? Meh, that's why I am so sick and tired of government that I am all in for Trump! Will he do what he says? Doubtful, because he has to deal with the bought and paid for representatives of the people who will obey their Corporate masters. I just think he might be crazy enough to tell the truth and make it about being bought and paid for rather than what we have been dealing with for the past 7 years of making it about race?

We are screwed......



posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 03:54 PM
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originally posted by: schuyler
The Post is out to lunch. Nearly every other source, pundit, and poll, even Dems, says Rubio won at the expense of Cruz.


Not what I have been reading. Plenty have Paul winning. Rubio faultered in the second half.



posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 03:54 PM
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I hear you, I would accept a Trump administration if we had no choice. It couldn't be worse than another D.

I'd like to think that he would be a bull in the china shop and that is desirable in and of its self.

I really do like that he has shaken up the status quo. I just don't think I want to give him 4 years in office for what amounts to a frustrated vote of no confidence in the political system. He doesn't represent free market principals or individual liberty and that is a problem.

For what it's worth, we really don't have any idea how the candidate's positions will progress so, we don't have to commit to anybody just yet. It's not impossible that Trump will see the light and expand his platform to include anti-interventionism but, I would be surprised if he did.




posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 03:55 PM
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Yea, it was as I thought. As usual there were many aspects to this bill! Only one was important to me and he let me down on his vote. Perhaps I judge him too harshly, but at this point, I find it hard to find forgiveness for those who help to create our problems.

S 3240 - Agriculture Reform, Food, and Jobs Act of 2012
•S Amdt 2392 - Reduces Funding for Food Stamps
•S Amdt 2393 - Repeals Sugar Subsidies
•S Amdt 2181 - Limits Farm Subsidies to Farmers with Incomes Under $250,000
•S Amdt 2174 - Limits Eligibility for Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)
•S Amdt 2172 - Rescinds Bonuses to States for Administering Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)
•S Amdt 2156 - Increases Funding for the Fresh Fruit and Vegetable Program
•S Amdt 2454 - Prohibits Food Aid to North Korea Unless Waived by President
•S Amdt 2310 - Requires Labels on Foods with Genetically Modified Ingredients
•S Amdt 2372 - Prohibits the EPA from Conducting Aerial Surveillance of Agricultural Operations

That is why I hate law! 1 vote on a bill that encompasses many issues!

Reminds me of voting for lesser of two evils?



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posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 03:58 PM
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a reply to: greencmp

It could be far worse. He will be terrible with our allies and foreign policy. They already thinknhe is a joke. The UK Parliament actually brought a vote whether to keep him out of the country. We will be seen as a total joke if a reality star loudmouth becomes president.



posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 04:03 PM
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Yup, it is infuriating to see these bills dissected.

Even having read it with a decent grasp on the issues, it takes some strenuous focus to determine my own position.



The position I have arrived at is simply that all legislation that isn't a full repeal is at best useless and at worst destructive. I have yet to discover a bill that falls outside of those two extremes. There probably are some but, I haven't found them yet.
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posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 04:07 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: greencmp

It could be far worse. He will be terrible with our allies and foreign policy. They already thinknhe is a joke. The UK Parliament actually brought a vote whether to keep him out of the country. We will be seen as a total joke if a reality star loudmouth becomes president.


So are you saying regarding foreign policy that it will take Trump to be president to make the rest of the world to think the US is a joke?

Have you read the posts against the US government on ATS bitching about the government policies for the past 16 years? To some Trump might be a joke, but I am not so sure what is more horrifying, Trump is a joke, or it took people so long to realize that every government in the western world is a joke! Yea, it is hard to think of it that way, but how would Trump be any worse?



posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 04:10 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: greencmp

It could be far worse. He will be terrible with our allies and foreign policy. They already thinknhe is a joke. The UK Parliament actually brought a vote whether to keep him out of the country. We will be seen as a total joke if a reality star loudmouth becomes president.


Honestly, I think that is one of his more endearing qualities.

Having the UK and European deacons of distortion publicly berate him only enhances his likability.
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posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 04:11 PM
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originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: seeker1963

Yup, it is infuriating to see these bills dissected.

Even having read it with a decent grasp on the issues, it takes some strenuous focus to determine my own position.



The position I have arrived at is simply that all legislation that isn't a full repeal is at best useless and at worst destructive. I have yet to discover a bill that falls outside of those two extremes. There probably are some but, I haven't found them yet.


I agree!

Honestly, with what these elitists are paid and all their perks, the least they should be required to do would be to vote on SINGLE ISSUES!

Riders are merely a way to plead innocence by saying "The only reason I voted this way was to prevent this "Rider" from becoming law!

Enough is enough! Want to pass law, create new policy, vote on "1" Law/Policy at a time! As a citizen, I do not believe that is an unreasonable request......



posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 04:20 PM
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Not to the rest of the world.

And definitely not to most of the country. Trump will get thumped in a general election. We need a leader to bring people together not tear them apart like another Obama.



posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 04:20 PM
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Paul presents himself as a reasonable person. The opposite of a guy like Christie, Trump, or Cruz.


Paul had one of the best lines in all the debates when he commented on Christ'y's war-like stance on Russia and said if you want WWIII there’s your man, Chris Christie.

The GOP electorate wants red meat and Paul is too reasonable to them.

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posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 04:24 PM
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Unfortunately, there is no coming together possible between the doctrinaires of socialism and market economies. We tried it already and interventionism has proven to be as destructive as it is illogical.



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