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New Testament original texts, where are they?

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posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 05:01 PM
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a reply to: Utnapisjtim
I'm not the type to get mad at digital latters on a screen. If someone insults me good I laugh as hard as they do. But yes, ok.




posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 07:59 PM
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a reply to: areyousirius360
If you have the Holy Spirit and God speaks directly to you you would have no need to go to any dead languages of Ancient Hebrew, Koine Greek and corrupted copies of text. You should be able to just go to God and get it first hand.



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 08:01 PM
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a reply to: Utnapisjtim

It is not just about documents, it is about the heart of the men who did it and their motives, and it is about God using certain men as he did to preserve his word for us in this generation.



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 08:03 PM
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a reply to: areyousirius360

I hurled no insults, and I have contributed to the thread greatly, though you may not want to admit that.



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 08:09 PM
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originally posted by: areyousirius360
a reply to: Utnapisjtim I don't use any other bibles unless it's on the internet and Im looking for inconsistencies.


Right there is the biggest problem that keep a person from finding the preserved words of God today. to busy looking for errors and inconsistencies instead of seeking truth.
Orthography has to do with writing differences between or within languages.



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 08:13 PM
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a reply to: Utnapisjtim

You hit a nail on the head. He tends to rant and get all excited and occasionally he will project that on other posters.



posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 08:43 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn
Seeking inconsistencies IS seeking truth. Too bad you don't understand why I do that, so I can know more than preachy people like you and your SO mad you try hard to insult me I know a fool when I see one so it's ironically hilarious how much you are intent on making me look bad. Don't you have something better to do?
Inconsistencies are a part of having many translations and if you don't know them you don't know much. As for implying that I'm only concerned with inconsistencies you made that up. I'm clearly not worried as I have trustworthy translations. Stop obssessing with me Im getting creeped out.
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posted on Feb, 4 2016 @ 10:20 PM
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GOD, can do everything BUT preserve the original account of his life on earth


Or bother to show up here in the last 2000 years.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 08:45 AM
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a reply to: CB328
Lmao!!!



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 11:02 AM
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posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 12:38 PM
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Any new progress or new theories today? Yesterday I theorized that the hand of The Most High God revealed the truth to us with the finds in Nag Hammadi, Egypt. It's concepts are valid, it deals more with the Messiah and his 12, and has been free from editing for almost 2000 years!
The Most High God would of course have his reasons for doing this in his never ending fight with Yahweh/Baal and we have been blessed by the appearance of the Nag Hammadi Library in the recent past. The Archon story might seem ridiculous to some, but some of these people believe in Nephilim and fallen angels, angels, demons, satan, so they are being hypocritical by ridiculing them and missing the point of the stories. Freedom from negative emotions, evil thoughts, worldly material desires, wars and basically everything that makes being human suck(evil). Heretical indeed to a miltant capitalist state sponsored church that wanted no such thing.
Facing extermination, these revealing texts were kept safe until the world is ready. I am and a lot of other people, ARE ready. To question all that we have been told.

Thank you, have a good day.

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posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 01:26 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Orthography has to do with writing differences between or within languages.


Part right, since a language's orthography gives rules and conventions for how a language is written correctly, from Greek ὀρθός «orthos» meaning correct, and γράφειν «graphein», which means write. British and American English has slightly different orthography. Like how in British orthography you'd write colour, while in American orthography you'd write color, and whether to write centre (UK) or center (US).



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 03:04 PM
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a reply to: UtnapisjtimWhat a useful fact, thank you.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 04:53 PM
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a reply to: UtnapisjtimYeah I just gave a general idea of the meaning.

they also have orthography with the Chinese language Fuji has slightly different spelling of words from those of Mandarin.

Then there is the Orthography of the difference in spelling of Greek words of Koine and Classical. this later is of great debate because there is no known Koine dictionary and as such many of the meaning of Biblical Koine Greek words are not known because Koine has been a dead language since about 150 AD. What has happened is Many scholars have taken classical Greek words that are spelt differently but they think were spoken the same (like center and centre) and placed the classical meaning onto the older Koine word. This was done with no proof that the word was actually pronounced the same or not. Because there were no way know the similarities or the differences because Koine was dead and lost, and this is the language of most of the NT pieces that were used.

This only adds to the confusion and doesn't help men make a better translation. that is why the men would have to rely on God himself to keep his promise and through prayer seek His inspiration for the correct translation.

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posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 05:29 PM
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:-) :-) :-)



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 06:39 PM
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originally posted by: Utnapisjtimfrom Greek ὀρθός «orthos» meaning correct, and γράφειν «graphein», which means write.


Just an example

the two Greek words from your quote above are Classical Greek they are not Koine Greek. and from both secular Koine and NT Koine there has never been a use found of either of those words.

Yet in our Greek classes in College they talked abundantly of orthography of Greek and never once told us there was not a Koine Greek dictionary ever found that had been used to correctly analyze and compare for a correct translation of the NT Koine Geek. And they never told us that many of the meanings connected to Strong's, Vines and Zoiates Greek Dictionaries of the NT were actually Classical Greek meanings attributed to Koine without any true scientific comparison. We were unintentionally given a lie when it comes to the NT Greek.

That is why God is so important when it comes to translating the Bible


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posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 05:54 AM
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I am so glad the Most High God revealed the truth about Yahweh/Yaldaboath in THE REAL gospels found in the Nag Hammadi Library.

Now we know that there is a God who is actually good, and doesn't slaughter infants when he has a temper tantrum.

Good News Indeed.



posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 08:22 AM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
That is why God is so important when it comes to translating the Bible


God may be a factor in creating languages and making words, but in translating, knowing about him should be more than sufficient. If you look for gods in literature, you'll most likely go crazy with risk of losing your wits entirely forever. Noh, to understand ancient texts, you'll gonna need linguistics, paleography and a bunch of other useful stuff. God is best put on hold when trying to make sense in old texts actually.



posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 08:40 AM
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a reply to: UtnapisjtimThat was truly the most wise thing I've ever heard on ATS. My day will be better for having read it. Astro-theology, syncreticism, henotheism, esotericism, an outline of the greater history of the faiths of ancient times, finding translation errors while only speaking one language. That's just to get started.



posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 08:45 AM
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a reply to: areyousirius360
It's comparable to learning many academic subjects, or even more like learning about the Universe. As much of the Universe as we can see, there is infinitely more that we can't. The bible is a telescope, one tool. We still need probes,, satellites, spaceships, rovers, etc.




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