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English teenagers 'are most illiterate in the developed world', report reveals

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posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 09:06 AM
Why doesnt the source article link this 'report'? Id like to read it for myself.

edit on 29-1-2016 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)

posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 09:29 AM

originally posted by: DISRAELI
I've still got the lesson notes which my father wrote out when he was on teaching practice, in 1939.
I've just discovered a fascinating lesson (designed for 12-year olds) on correct use of the verbs "lie" and "lay".
Perhaps I could type it out and post it for comparison purposes.

At least one person seems to be interested, so this is my father teaching the girls of Pentrepoeth Girls' School, March 1939.

Average age 12+
Duration; 1 hr (2 periods of 30 minutes)
Subject; Grammar
Aim; 1) To show the difference between & use of Lie, Lies, Lay, Lays, Lain, Laid
2) To give practice in the use of the above words

Part 1; Oral work
1 ) Teacher will lay down a book upon the desk. Ask children “What am I doing?” Write down word “laying”. Girl to come out and repeat operation. She is to tell class what she is doing. “I lay down the book”. Write down the word “lay”. Ask other girls to describe the action- “she lays down etc.” Suppose action took place a day ago. How would you describe it? Word “laid” will then be noted on board. Tell children to notice that in every case something is done to something else.

2) Ask for sentences containing the transitive verb “lay”.

3) The intransitive verb will then be dealt with as follows. Draw simple diagram of someone lying in bed. What is she doing? Suppose two of them. In this way Lie, Lies, Lying & Lain will be discovered. Notice in this case nothing is done to anything else. Intransitive verb.

4) Ask for sentences containing the word “lie” in its various forms.

Part 2; Written work
Fill in the following spaces;-
1 ) He – down the newspaper and picked up a book.
2) I had just – down to rest when some old friends called.
3) All that summer afternoon he – on his back staring up at the sky.
4) Standing on the main road, we see that the church – to the south of it.
5) This hen – more eggs than any of the others.
6) I like to – on the grass.
The sentences will then be corrected.

BB [i.e. written on blackboard]
LIE (Intransitive) I lie, she lies, etc.

LAY (Transitive) I lay down the book

posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 09:36 AM
a reply to: DISRAELI

Can you just imagine the response that lesson would get if attempted today?

posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 09:40 AM
a reply to: MrCrow
He would probably be accused of limiting their creative use of language.

posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 09:44 AM

originally posted by: anxiouswens
Yes probably because our schools are full to breaking point. In some schools English is a second language for many. Teaching assistants who were originally employed to help struggling British children now have most of their time taken up helping children who have just arrived and dont speak any English. British children are just left to fall further behind.

Also because of cuts things like dyslexia arent being picked up sooner as teachers are struggling with classes of 30 children and dont have the time to give individuals one on one time and by the time it is picked up on it is too late and appointments to be diagnosed are few and far between.

Why do I know this because my niece is Deputy Head at a school in London where 80% of pupils arent British born and a lot dont speak English and where metal detectors are on doors to stop children bringing weapons into schools and my other niece is a teaching assistant specialising in special needs and dyslexia but all her time is taken up eith children who are newly arrived. Two of my friends are also teachers and say the same.

But hey we have now said we will take anothet 3,000 children as well as 20,000 plus family members. Just let the world in and sod British children afterall they are second class citizens now dont you know.😅a reply to: woodwardjnr

Do you really need to make every single post relate to immigrants? You don't think it could be anything to do with a culture of entitlement, a feeling that learning isn't as important perhaps?

Considering this result is based against other 'developed' countries, others with a higher proportion of immigrants should - using your logic - be even worse, but they aren't, are they? Probably best to stop looking for easier prejudicial reasons and look closer to home.

posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 09:45 AM
a reply to: DISRAELI

Its interesting and more than a little worrying to see how different standards are today. I'd imagine there's a lot of adults that would just stare vacantly if that was put to them.

posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 09:47 AM
Wot m8?

posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 09:51 AM

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
a reply to: anxiouswens if you've ever been to Europe you will notice most people can speak English as a second language, from Holland Germany and Spain, the French are a little more proud and would prefer you speak French, but most countries in Europe children learn English as a 2nd language from an early age. No wonder employers want to keep employing migrants over British workers. When they say British workers lack key skills, they mean the ability to comprehend and communicate in English. Instead of blaming immigrants we should be ashamed of our ability to teach English to our own kids and stop using scapegoats to pass the buck onto all the time.

Hear hear. Excellent post. Personally I was put forward for English language and literature O levels at the age of 14 and for an extremely short period of time was seen as a little bit different as I passed both with distinction (took them again at 15 and perhaps significantly still passed but with a lower grade). That was however decades ago but the lowering of standards is somewhat visible with people not only in the UK but also in America - I wrote a document recently as part of my work and used the term 'livery' - I got questions about what the document had to do with someone's liver, oh dear.

posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 09:54 AM
a reply to: MagnaCarta2015
I suspect that things started getting more "relaxed" during the late Sixties.

posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 10:36 AM
I wish I could blame someone for my poor English and maths abilities, but unfortunately I only have myself or my hormones to blame. Going through puberty at school I was only interested in one thing. I was obsessed with the opposite sex. It's all I thought about and cared about. I would plan my seating based on who I could try and get the "eye off" or play "footsie with, but I wasn't really in control of the aging and hormonal conditions

posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 10:58 AM
a reply to: DISRAELI

I suspect that things started getting more "relaxed" during the late Sixties.

Would that coincide with the introduction of Comprehensive's?

I went to Comprehensive in the late 70's - early 80's and it wasn't very 'relaxed' I assure you.
But then again, I went to a Catholic school which still had corporal punishment etc.

And I've got to say I was a particularly troublesome individual who received far more than average number of caning's etc.

Mine I'm afraid to say isn't a tale I'm proud of;
Whilst at Primary school I was considered a pupil of some note and studied advanced mathematics and had an excellent grasp of the English language.

During my first Maths lesson at Comprehensive I was given some work to do which was very, very easy for me.
I told the teacher that I'd done this sort of work at least a couple of years ago in Primary school, I was told to shut up and be quiet and to wait for everyone else to catch me up.
I soon got bored of that, started messing around in classes which, when taken with my natural anti-authoritarian nature, resulted in me spending 5 years of doing relatively little more than rebelling and getting into trouble.

I was in the top class of every subject I took yet rarely did any homework - what homework I bothered to do I generally did in morning registration or on the bus to school.
By the time I was in the fourth year the only subject I had any sort of interest in was History - we studied 19th Century History, the move towards universal suffrage etc.

I left school without a single qualification.

Many teachers tried to encourage me and my parents did absolutely everything in their power to guide me.
The truth is I simply wasn't stimulated enough.

And the punishments came to mean nothing to me - and some of them were very, very brutal by anyone's standards.
But they were a deterrent to the vast majority of pupils.

Comprehensive schools were well intentioned but failed to meet the needs of genuinely gifted individuals.
It came to promote mediocrity.

Now, with the advent of the National Curriculum, schooling by numbers, the lack of discipline and the influence of the PC Brigade we see a general decline in standards.

Is this deliberate?
I think it may be or, as I said earlier, I'm just a paranoid conspiracy theorist.

Like a lot of people I believe one of the first steps is the introduction of something akin to Grammar Schools where the more academically gifted students can receive an education more in line with their particular attributes thus freeing up resources and time to provide a decent education for less academically inclined students more in tune with their particular skill sets and life requirements.

posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 10:59 AM
I blame it on social media like facebook the current trend of kids trying to sound cool by speaking like ali g and Lee Nelson.

Professor David Crystal, linguist and author of Wordsmiths And Warriors: The English-language Tourist’s Guide To Britain, adds: ‘Groups and bonding are especially important to teenage girls so, if there is a feature which is perceived to be cool and fashionable, you are almost certainly going to get it spreading like wildfire in that particular age group.
‘It is already many people’s ordinary speech and will stay with them into adulthood’

- Professor Kerswill

‘It is now perfectly normal for kids to leave junior school, start senior school and switch their accent and dialect.’

Experts agree that MYE has spread quickly because of mobility between cities, and also technology. Worryingly, it is projected to usurp some traditional regional dialects, such as Cockney in London, within the next 20 years.

In cities, the problem is so acute it even affects the school choices parents make for their children.

Rock star Paul Weller is one of them, admitting that he chose private education for his children over the local comprehensive near his home in London’s wealthy Maida Vale because of the way local teenagers speak.

‘I don’t want my kids coming home speaking like Ali G — I’m just not having it,’ he says.

It is not just snobbery about accents which is stoking parental concerns. Diction has a direct bearing on how speakers are perceived, especially in the job market.

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posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 11:04 AM
a reply to: woodwardjnr

I was obsessed with the opposite sex. It's all I thought about and cared about. I would plan my seating based on who I could try and get the "eye off" or play "footsie with,....

I genuinely laughed out loud at that.

All I came to care about were girls and music and the odd bit of alcohol and fisticuffs thrown into the mix.

posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 12:45 PM

originally posted by: woodwardjnr

Young people aged between 16 and 19 have been found to possess only a “basic” grasp of maths and English, with nine million people of working age having low literacy or numeracy skills. The report, conducted by the OECD (the Operation for Economic Co-Operation and Development) found that out of 23 developed nations, English teens had the lowest literacy rates and the second to lowest numeracy rates. ml

Well this is a bit embarrassing. Thank god for auto correct. I don't really know why this is the case and the article doesn't really go onto explain why. I'm sure many will put it down to reliance on technology, but it must be something more fundamental than that.

I remember my English teachers were never that great I remember getting a B grade and C in my English GCSEs, but still never felt that confident in my teachers. I think these things probably start at home and if you don't have books around you and not encouraged to read, your always going to have problems. ml

When I was volunteering at a youth club, I was always shocked at the poor standard some of the kids had both with English and maths

Too add to that, those who are literate are illiterate in legal language which is used in contracts, laws and tax forms where the normal standard is to hire someone to explain it to them or fill out the forms for them in their behalf. That is a clear example of how simple language becomes complex to purposefully confuse and entrap someone or distorts the meaning.

In years past, there were generations of people who were considered modern in their time that never knew how to read or cared to learn. Some prefered to entrust their religious or political readers with the task and have them speak it to the crowd, along with the speaker's personal thoughts of what was read. This same idea is manifesting all over again with the increased use and dependence of AI from computers.

A big concern is how people interpret what they read. 2 people can have the same average literacy skills but interpret what they read differently. One example of this is how holy books are intrepreted. With past generations of common people given the opportunity to read, where much of it is forced upon people who dont enjoy doing so, on up to the point where we all are now, with most everyday people having access to the worldwide web and being able to comment on worldwide events after having read an article, everyone can clearly see the high rate of different interpretations which exposes more division.
One clear sabatoge on the mind of the average person who has the ability to read was the mass distribution of horror and crime novels under the pretense of art instead of the pretense of studying them in college to become a law enforcement professional. There is a prevalence of people who read who have no direction or can't do anything productive with what they have just read other than know. Like a rubber necking, gawking, shock trauma, knowing while in the comfort of one's home. This is prevailant in news media in current events. After having read, then one knows. Now that they know, then what? Dissociation. Or two actions take place. One is internalizing and becoming sick and fearful and the other is either reacting negatively towards others with actions that are hostile or murderous OR taking action in finding solutions to calm the storm, ease fears, or be the light.
Literacy is a good thing but how it's presented, with everything out there accessible to anyone with no solid guidance on interpretation, with most material standing as purely entertainment, it backfires.
Yet this is what we all wanted, what most cherish, reading and knowing. Now we know and what are we now for it now that we have read and know? Feed it into the machine, the worldwide web, helping to create AI? Do we subconsciously know it's soon to be the end for all humans due to so much verbal and physical warring all around us, with each other? As original beautiful, precious souls and inherently good as human beings, the garbage and filth all around is drowning that out. If what has been written here is in truth instead of my personal bias, then those who don't care to be literate are better off in the long run, more innocent and carefree in not having absorbed the reading material of the deranged or those relaying what the deranged do or are planning to do...if time is short for us. AI used against us for AI won't forget all the fighting and bloodshed between people over simply exchanging information using pictures and words, along with the bragging, jealousy and misuse of how much one knows or doesn't know.

posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 07:17 PM
a reply to: woodwardjnr

This is the deliberate result of a long program of de-literisation of the british public by certain very powerful right wing interests, literacy empowers and makes the sheep more intelligent and aware of the right wing traditionalist hierarchy's plans so education for the mass's which Benjamin Disreali first birthed had become a major thorn in there proverbial side.

Given intelligence the mass's most often choose the centre left to lead the country but today there is no centre left as all partys (except with Corbyn being a centre left socialist) in the UK have been right wing for the past 30 years, indeed Labour once the working mans or in the view of the Tory elite the Peasants party having actually abandoned it's roots and taken to the centre right stage (until Mr Corbyn recently shook there tree that is).

They want you thick to that they can rule the country and tell you what THEY think is good for you regardless of whether it is or not.

Democracy and social justice are the ultimate outcome of non indoctrinating Education which teaches the children to question and think, An Educated public is most often Left wing common sense socialist and government moderated economic system (Free from corporate control).

Tyranny is the inevitable outcome of personal Wealth empowerment and runaway Free market economic's in which the minority strip mine the society's they feed upon until all that is left is a third world carcass of a country owned by an ultra elite minority.

Think about it like this, if all the sheep stand in a field on a calm day and blow at the one oak tree it's leave's may rustle very slightly, this is the true strength of free speech it seldom changes anything without action but it does have an effect but if only one of just a few sheep blow then it is likely not even a single leaf on that oak tree will move even a fraction so weak will be there voice.

In the word's of the socialist labour party of the past, only united can we stand and united we are stronger.

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posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 07:24 PM
a reply to: LABTECH767
But the attitude of "discipline is a bad thing" is definitely a left-wing approach, and the same is probably true for "you musn't correct them when they get things wrong".
So any conspiracy involved in those factors would have to be a left-wing conspiracy, although it might be (mutatis mutandis) for the purpose you suggest.

posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 08:09 PM
a reply to: PhoenixOD

Its weird to hear kids in overwhelmingly white areas sound like that because they haven't grown up surrounded by different cultural influences, in cities that's just the way kids talk these days. They're not trying to be something they're not or attempting to sound cool, it's the way language and dialect has evolved.

It would be foolish to assume it's an indicator of intelligence; I know plenty of guys who sound like that who have extensive vocabularies and are able to articulate themselves and express ideas without difficulty. If you heard how I sound when I speak you would probably be mortified.

The middle classes have always looked down on the way cockneys sounded and made assumptions about their intellect based upon it. It's no huge surprise to see the extrapolation of this type of class based marginalisation coming from the daily mail, they've been doing it forever.

posted on Jan, 29 2016 @ 10:27 PM
I remembered a longtime ago there was this PBS series called the story of English, of how the language grew and Evolved all over the world some into dialects, so maybe what's happening is a natural evolution through contacts, look current technology is driving the push of new words and how we construction sentences is already different from when I was growing up look at how ppl used tweeter, in old English there were Thine Thou doths and the like if you ever read your grandma's bible, ppl back then could hardly make heads or tails of how the language is spoken today what we have to come to terms with is change is enviable and language is no different, I think the French While putting up a good fight to keep the language pure will ultimately fail and remained a minor influence because of the resistance to change by policy makers, that's one of the reason English is the preferred language around the world.
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posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 04:12 AM
I remember "To Sir with Love"

The kids were terrible even back then!

posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 04:28 AM

originally posted by: burgerbuddy
I remember "To Sir with Love"

The kids were terrible even back then!

Teens were always terrible.

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