Trump. A different take.

a reply to: DelMarvel

Sorry, but these strike me as inventions. Otherwise, we'd see it non-stop in the media.

Of course, Trump has the resources and the will to sue their butts off.....

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: nwtrucker

My main problem with trump is that he may be even a bigger narcissist than Obama, and I think that this would translate into another presidential tenure where the president would be more concerned about his legacy than the good of the nation.

But that's not my only problem with him, just my main one right now.

Perhaps your right.

I see a difference though. Upbringing, education, ideological beliefs, life experiences all differ.

As long as he's an American narcissist....for America, I can deal with it.

Another huge difference is Trump is up front with his attitudes and beliefs. With Obama, it was 'change', etc., you'd had to really dig to find where he really was at. The media chose not to. Another distinction, the media was pro Obama. Trump?

Meh, not so pro-Trump...LOL

the phrase american ass for america means nothing. are you really going to ban anyone from any country for no reason other than paranoia?

trump promises solution, any politician will promise that, they just happen to be really vague ideas that are not thought out very well at all. saying he's going to break the status quo means nothing, the break could be negative or positive, and just by deconstructing most of his ideas, they're nothing new or good.

voting for him because he's a billionaire means nothing, he's a professional capitalist that means he knows how to exploit well. he has casino's, you don't think he'll turn the US into one big casino? were the working class pays the bill and the rich get richer. sure casinos are fun but they are a scam. there's nothing humble about him, and frankly unless you've just discovered trump in the last year, you'd know he's a horrible person., then he spoke publicly, and now we find out he's much worse than we thought.

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: DelMarvel
There's a new ABC poll out that has 69 percent of the electorate with "anxiety" about Trump becoming president.

That's a huge obstacle to turnaround in a general election.

I still think his poll numbers are overstating his actual support. I think the majority of Republicans don't want him as the candidate.

yep. An ABC poll. anxiety...LOL. I'd dearly love to see the demographics of that slanted poll.

Here ya go. It's an ABC/Washington Post poll. They asked about all the candidates, with Trump scoring the worst across the board.

abcnews.go.com...

a reply to: vjr1113

Personally, I think your post is nothing more than the usual mantra from the left or the establishment right or Corporate America.

Do I have concerns about Trump? yes. None of the above, however, in the slightest.

This is a capitalist nation, not communist one. At least not yet.

Turning the nation into a casino. That kind of rhetoric removes any credibility in having a discussion with you. It is blather.

How and what he will do is my concern, not invented horror stories. But then, what any of them will do is also of concern.

I say again, and it's just my viewpoint, is he's worth the risk over 'business as usual'. If it stays the same or even close to the same we are done as a nation, from what I can see.

I see both the potential and the risk in him. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt....for now.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: DelMarvel

Sorry, but these strike me as inventions. Otherwise, we'd see it non-stop in the media.

Yet the most damaging episode in the saga of Trump's fractured relationship with the black community came in 1973, when his family's real-estate company, Trump Management Corporation, was sued by the Justice Department for alleged racial discrimination.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

“If I told the real stories of my experiences with women, often seemingly very happily married and important women, this book would be a guaranteed best-seller,” Trump wrote in his book “The Art of the Comeback.” Trump also wrote in “Think Big and Kick Ass” that he’s been with married women: “Beautiful, famous, successful, married — I’ve had them all, secretly, the world’s biggest names.”

www.nationalreview.com...

Trump Casinos went public in 1995; nine years later, his creditors forced the company into bankruptcy. During that time, Trump -- who controlled the majority of the voting shares and served as Chairman of the Board -- lost $647 million. The investors who bought into his IPO at $10/share exited with shares less than $1.

boingboing.net...

a reply to: DelMarvel

If you trust the polls, either way, that's your call. I don't. They mess up virtually every election cycle.

It conflicts with other polls, equally questionable.

One more point, the anxiety is a reflection of the media that presents him as much as anything he says. Do you see press coverage of his family or how stable they appear to be? Any of his close associates that speak badly of him? Why not? Perhaps due to the fact they might speak highly of him?

The media is slanted. period. The polls reflect that slant especially when done by one of those media giants.

It may even be an accurate poll. So what?

I don't make my decisions based on polls and I hope you don't either.

My last point, the polls are basically irrelevant in that it will be the delegate vote that decides who runs for the republicans, not the grass root polls. Just ask Hillary and Rudy when Obama and Romney were given to us as options...despite the polls.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: vjr1113

Personally, I think your post is nothing more than the usual mantra from the left or the establishment right or Corporate America.

Do I have concerns about Trump? yes. None of the above, however, in the slightest.

This is a capitalist nation, not communist one. At least not yet.

Turning the nation into a casino. That kind of rhetoric removes any credibility in having a discussion with you. It is blather.

How and what he will do is my concern, not invented horror stories. But then, what any of them will do is also of concern.

I say again, and it's just my viewpoint, is he's worth the risk over 'business as usual'. If it stays the same or even close to the same we are done as a nation, from what I can see.

I see both the potential and the risk in him. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt....for now.

so any criticism of bad ideas equals left wing rhetoric? you've chosen not to discuss the issues and just dismiss them because you don't agree with the criticism.

the main issues are prejudicial and racist immigration policy. a wall instead of immigration reform, xenophobic. pro life, the control of the state over a woman's body, which is about 50% of the nation, their rights right down the toilet. its backwards unintellectual ideas.

it has nothing to do with the left its just an assessment of the issues. and these are not horror stories, this is what he wants done. i will grant you he's a capitalism but so is every other major candidate.

if any of those policies were endorsed by sanders or clinton, they'd be committing political suicide.

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: DelMarvel

Sorry, but these strike me as inventions. Otherwise, we'd see it non-stop in the media.

Yet the most damaging episode in the saga of Trump's fractured relationship with the black community came in 1973, when his family's real-estate company, Trump Management Corporation, was sued by the Justice Department for alleged racial discrimination.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

“If I told the real stories of my experiences with women, often seemingly very happily married and important women, this book would be a guaranteed best-seller,” Trump wrote in his book “The Art of the Comeback.” Trump also wrote in “Think Big and Kick Ass” that he’s been with married women: “Beautiful, famous, successful, married — I’ve had them all, secretly, the world’s biggest names.”

www.nationalreview.com...

Trump Casinos went public in 1995; nine years later, his creditors forced the company into bankruptcy. During that time, Trump -- who controlled the majority of the voting shares and served as Chairman of the Board -- lost $647 million. The investors who bought into his IPO at $10/share exited with shares less than $1.

boingboing.net...

1) Pretty much every RE company is accused of redlining even when there is no hard data to prove it. The CFPB just recently tried to prove a car finance company was discriminating by guessing the ethnicity of the borrowers by their last names. In other words, they had no data or evidence to prove it but that didn't stop them from trying to fine or accuse the lender.

2) Show me a billionaire who hasn't slept around. Heck, most guys with two nickels to their name sleep around. Anybody with a billion dollars most certainly does. At least he doesn't lie about it.

3) Businesses fail. Most successful entrepreneurs have had at least one failure / bankruptcy.

a reply to: DelMarvel

Right, as I said, Trump lost money in the BK and investors lost money. Welcome to the world of investing to further one's profit. They could have put their monies in C.D.s or left the money in the bank or invested in properties. Nope they wanted more/higher profit.

Sorry, pay your dime take your chances. No sympathy.

The suit, it omits the circumstances. it omits whether he won or lost and on what basis.

The books? Oh, well. he's more honest than most. "I never had sexual relations with that woman".

There is such a thing as personal growth. Look, I'm not claiming he's about to be beautified. His issues, certainly not major that I can see, are in the open. He addresses them from what I can see and I'm willing to move on.

Your campaign against him? Sobeit.

Here's another bottom line for me. Knocking Trump will not change my mind. What would is a higher esteem for another candidate.

As the intention to slime Trump increases, the value of that slime diminishes. call it the crying wolf syndrome. YAWN.

For example, if a candidate came out with the list of member Corporation in the TPP agreement and/or the contents of the bill. Perhaps introduces legislation that mandates full public disclosure of every bill that hits the floor BEFORE voting, then I'd take another look.

Keep sliming trump and his support will only grow. We are tired of media sliming.

P.S. You can have the Huff. Not particularly objective...then again, who is?....

a reply to: Edumakated

Exactly.

They know it....

a reply to: nwtrucker

I've come to the realization that congress (who writes the laws) are the true power in DC.

All a president is, is a barometer to measure the level of dissatisfaction in DC.

So a Trump presidency is appropriate.

imho

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: nwtrucker

Occam's razor...

Actually Ockham's Razor says that in the age of media deception the MSM know full well that the people will in this day and age do the exact opposite that they tell them for the most part...

So their lambastating of Trump is just an insidious recruitment tool by TPTB.


Trump is a bully, and he wouldn't spit on his followers if they were on fire unless there was some benefit to him.

Grade A Narcissist.

So wrong. I worked at a place where Donald frequented and a fire did break out. Guess who was spraying an extinguisher first? Of course it was Trump. Everyone always thought he had a bit of 007 in his blood.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I'd have fully agreed... until Obama. never have I seen a more ineffectual Congress...

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: DBCowboy

I'd have fully agreed... until Obama. never have I seen a more ineffectual Congress...

Congress does what it does, and that's pushing an agenda. It doesn't matter if it's R or D.

originally posted by: Edumakated

2) Show me a billionaire who hasn't slept around. Heck, most guys with two nickels to their name sleep around. Anybody with a billion dollars most certainly does. At least he doesn't lie about it.

Look, what I was originally responding to was the statement that there are no scandals associated with Trump or his family. And that's not true. Whether you care about it or not is a different issue.

a reply to: DelMarvel

Sorry, but your 'scandals' are questionable at best. Whether you acknowledge that or not.

Not even the media seems inclined to bring these up. That would be my definition of a scandal. Media microscopic analysis to the end of time, is the norm.

If you see them otherwise, fair enough. I stand by my original post on it.

a reply to: vjr1113

Actually, no. You raise points you didn't in your previous post. Thanks for at least raising them.

The immigration policy is debatable. I see it as a valid protection of our citizens, that includes you and yours, until a time that the vetting process is, it self, fully vetted. Numerous 'errors' and slip-ups recently validate the stance. I see nothing racist in it whatsoever. In fact, the usual mantra of anything outside unreserved, unqualified 'diversity' receives an automatic racist tag.

Brilliant psych-op, disingenuous at best. One that we shall have to agree to disagree.

I couldn't care less what a woman does with her body. I do care about the person that resides in that body. I certainly don't want the people forced to pay for it. I also believe a viable baby aborted is, in fact, murder. I understand your stance and I'd wager you understand mine.

Hillary already has committed political suicide. Sanders? Not quite yet.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: DelMarvel

Sorry, but your 'scandals' are questionable at best. Whether you acknowledge that or not.

Having affairs with multiple married women? That's questionable? Links to the mafia? Only Trump could get away with this. Or, for example, his constant retweeting of neo-Nazis or his press secretary making disparaging comments about Catholics and saying conservatives are racists. He's got the media wrapped around his finger and all sorts of things aren't being covered.

a reply to: DelMarvel

Like I said, vote for whoever you like.

People die connected to Hillary and her old man. Including ambassadors.

I'll take Trump any day over that one....

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: DelMarvel

Like I said, vote for whoever you like.

People die connected to Hillary and her old man. Including ambassadors.

I'll take Trump any day over that one....

Once again, the issue is the statement that no scandals are associated with Trump.