The Truth About Immigration And Welfare. Shocking Video & Research Via Stefan Molyneux.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

But he's passionate.

Oh. That's different.

The thing is, comparing numbers that aren't actually related doesn't really amount to much.
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Never claimed it was a "difference'.

Refute his argument and make it quick Phage.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

I did.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

I did.

Try your own wording.

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

This is the "far right-wing" guy who publicly describes women as "evil" and "Estrogen based parasites".

Sorry but I'm not going to listen to a 35 minute rant by this guy.

Many 'think tank' organizations (like the Cato Institute and the Center for Immigration Studies) say that immigrants don't make the welfare state larger. I trust their figures and research far more.

Then don't

Didn't.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain
Ok.
Correlation does not imply causation.
Not my words, but I concur with them.

a reply to: chr0naut

So you came on the thread to announce you didn't watch the content?

Cool...thanks...

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain
Ok.
Correlation does not imply causation.
Not my words, but I concur with them.

That's a bumper sticker. Not an argument

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

That's a bumper sticker.

No. It's statistical principle. People who use statistics honestly are aware of it.
Your boy is either dishonest or stupid.

Or both.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain
Ok.
Correlation does not imply causation.
Not my words, but I concur with them.

I concur with them too.

So make your case and tell me exactly what it is you refute here

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

I did.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

That's a bumper sticker.

No. It's statistical principle. People who use statistics honestly are aware of it.
Your boy is either dishonest or stupid.

Or both.

I thought attacking the messenger was beneath you. I was wrong.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain
I'm attacking his claim. I am saying that his claim is either stupid, dishonest, or both.
He shows correlations and claims causation. Not a valid approach. But the charts sure are purdy. All colorry and stuff.

Consumption of organic foods results in autism, right?

Stefan Molyneux?

Let me guess. America would be star spangled great if it weren't for those damn immigrants.

I've listened to enough Molyneux to know I'll pass on his narrative.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain
I'm attacking his claim. I am saying that his claim is either stupid, dishonest, or both.
He shows correlations and claims causation. Not a valid approach. But the charts sure are purdy. All colorry and stuff.

Which claim would you like to refute Phage?

originally posted by: GD21D
Stefan Molyneux?

Let me guess. America would be star spangled great if it weren't for those damn immigrants.

I've listened to enough Molyneux to know I'll pass on his narrative.

Then please do

The case from the graphs is

Immigrants use more welfare their whole lives than do Americans born in the USA.

The previous nationalities of immigrants that use welfare the most are the nationalities from which the immigrants allowed in since 1964 have come, when the welfare state started.

That immigrants use more welfare is the only possible conclusion from the data, and is arrived at directly from the data, no logical process necessary.

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
The case from the graphs is

Immigrants use more welfare their whole lives than do Americans born in the USA.

The immigrants that use welfare the most are the immigrants allowed in since 1964, when the welfare state started.

That immigrants use more welfare in the only possible conclusion from the data.

correct

a reply to: Semicollegiate

So he sources all that?

That immigrants use more welfare in the only possible conclusion from the data.

Or the only one he and others want to conclude from it.

a reply to: GD21D

And we're almost ALL "Immigrants" in the U.S.

Certain immigrants are more productive than others. Fact