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originally posted by: butcherguy
Unarmed store owners are killed by armed robbers, but that isn't worth a thread on ATS. Since the store was a gun store, it is news.
I do not think that getting into a fistfight over 25 bucks is worth it.
I would hand my pocket money over to an armed robber if they had the drop on me, before getting into a gunfight that I might lose. It all comes down to the circumstances at the time.
originally posted by: Necrobile
It's people like this, doing things like this, that's slowly getting me to change my stance on gun control. I'm not too far from thinking we do need to lose our guns. :
A new study suggests the use of handguns in crime rose by 40% in the two years after the weapons were banned.
originally posted by: MrSpad
originally posted by: butcherguy
Unarmed store owners are killed by armed robbers, but that isn't worth a thread on ATS. Since the store was a gun store, it is news.
I do not think that getting into a fistfight over 25 bucks is worth it.
I would hand my pocket money over to an armed robber if they had the drop on me, before getting into a gunfight that I might lose. It all comes down to the circumstances at the time.
Their were no robbers involved. This was a dispute over a $25 fee that might have ended in shoving match but, for some reason ended up with everybody shooting.
That's what, £17.50 in proper currency. Good LORD! That's less than the cost of a burger and three pints of good beer at a less than fantastic pub! These people have to be insane. Twenty to life over twenty five dollars...idiots.
originally posted by: DAVID64
ALL GUN OWNERS ARE MORONS!!!
Isn't that the point of this? That just because we choose to carry a weapon, we are not "civilized" enough to settle an argument without using it? You get stupid people in all walks of life and no, some people should not be carrying a gun, but I see already which direction this thread is headed and it is not toward that fact, but rather toward bashing all gun owners.
Have at it.
originally posted by: Discotech
a reply to: Iamnotadoctor
Banning guns won't stop this kind of idiocy from happening, just instead of people being shot to death they'll be getting stabbed to death, or beaten to death with random items or fists.
Getting into a fight whether it's a gun fight, knife fight or fist fight over a charge of $25 is the issue here and we need to be asking the question of why somebody is willing to kill another over a measly $25 and just what the hell is wrong with people that cause them to do this
originally posted by: jjkenobi
a reply to: Blackmarketeer
This is a shame. Surprisingly it's a rare occurrence at a gun store.
originally posted by: Necrobile
a reply to: Discotech
I'm not stupid, dude, I've been on the pro-gun side for my whole life, so don't try to spout that crap at me. I understand gun crime won't ever go away, because people illegally do it all the time. In fact, it's not that hard to find any illegal things in this country, as long as you know the "right" people. Once I started smoking pot when I was a teen, I was shocked at what you could actually get in the town I grew up in.
I'm slowly changing my tune when it comes to this topic not because of the illegal gun owners, but the irresponsible legal gun owners. Y'know, the people like in this story, who felt that instead of taking it to court would rather shoot the gun owners. Or the gun owners, who instead of just giving the gun go them, then calling the police, would rather open fire as well(granted, we don't fully know details, the gun shop owner may have had no choice).
Or what about the woman who feels it's ok to chase after a thief at home depot and opening fire??
www.washingtonpost.com...
Or what about the man who accidentally shot a woman in a theater, because he was scared of mass shootings??
www.independent.co.uk...
Or this one??
www.insideedition.com...
Now these are just a few examples of bad gun owners, but c'mon, you know they're all over the place. I'm getting tired of stories like these. Yes, there are great gun owners out there, pretty much my whole family are responsible gun owners. But that doesn't change the fact that there are plenty of people out there who legally own guns, who really shouldn't own a gun. A quick google search will pretty much give countless examples of what I mean.
Yes, you're right, people can and will obtain what they want illegally, they always have, always will.
originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
a reply to: TrueBrit
The shooter would likely tell you it wasn't about the fee, it was about being disrespected.
originally posted by: TheBulk
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: DAVID64
I am very pro-2nd amendment and believe it is a vital part of what made this country's system great, but I can't help but notice that the gun culture in the US has become a bit loony.
The 2nd amendment is no longer about arming ourselves to protect this country from tyranny. It's more akin to a culture of fashion and bravado. Similar to middle-aged men that like to show off their new sports cars.
The gun nuts in this country are going to ruin our 2nd amendment rights if they continue to go down the path they are currently taking.
Its so interesting to me how guys like you make broad generalizations like this, yet change the subject to Muslims and your opinion turns on a dime.
originally posted by: Necrobile
a reply to: Discotech
I'm not stupid, dude, I've been on the pro-gun side for my whole life, so don't try to spout that crap at me. I understand gun crime won't ever go away, because people illegally do it all the time. In fact, it's not that hard to find any illegal things in this country, as long as you know the "right" people. Once I started smoking pot when I was a teen, I was shocked at what you could actually get in the town I grew up in.
I'm slowly changing my tune when it comes to this topic not because of the illegal gun owners, but the irresponsible legal gun owners. Y'know, the people like in this story, who felt that instead of taking it to court would rather shoot the gun owners. Or the gun owners, who instead of just giving the gun go them, then calling the police, would rather open fire as well(granted, we don't fully know details, the gun shop owner may have had no choice).
Or what about the woman who feels it's ok to chase after a thief at home depot and opening fire??
www.washingtonpost.com...
Or what about the man who accidentally shot a woman in a theater, because he was scared of mass shootings??
www.independent.co.uk...
Or this one??
www.insideedition.com...
Now these are just a few examples of bad gun owners, but c'mon, you know they're all over the place. I'm getting tired of stories like these. Yes, there are great gun owners out there, pretty much my whole family are responsible gun owners. But that doesn't change the fact that there are plenty of people out there who legally own guns, who really shouldn't own a gun. A quick google search will pretty much give countless examples of what I mean.
Yes, you're right, people can and will obtain what they want illegally, they always have, always will.