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The draft is slavery

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posted on Jan, 25 2016 @ 11:26 PM
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a reply to: eriktheawful
My number was something over 360.
I'd like to say it was 364 but my memory isn't that good.


I just looked it up. I was right about over 360. But I'm not saying anything else.



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posted on Jan, 25 2016 @ 11:33 PM
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a reply to: schuyler

Well actually it all depends on which "slaves" he was referring to, or, if he was referring to any particular group of slaves at all.



posted on Jan, 25 2016 @ 11:34 PM
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a reply to: DJMSN

It depends on how you define "slave." If we are to debate, we must first agree on terms.



posted on Jan, 25 2016 @ 11:35 PM
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a reply to: mysterioustranger

Then you didn't get drafted, if you get drafted, it would seem you are a slave.



posted on Jan, 25 2016 @ 11:41 PM
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I should correct a nuance in my argument.

All cases of slavery are cases of someone allocating someone else's body, time, or resources without their consent.
Getting drafted is a case of someone allocating your body, time, or resources without your consent.
Therefore, to get drafted is to become a slave.


I'm interested in exploring the notion of "not renouncing your citizenship is a form of consent."



posted on Jan, 25 2016 @ 11:42 PM
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a reply to: Phage

I'm curious phage, what do you find inadequate about my updated argument? I'd sincerely like to know the error of my ways.



posted on Jan, 26 2016 @ 12:51 AM
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originally posted by: Thetan
I should correct a nuance in my argument.

All cases of slavery are cases of someone allocating someone else's body, time, or resources without their consent.
Getting drafted is a case of someone allocating your body, time, or resources without your consent.
Therefore, to get drafted is to become a slave.


I'm interested in exploring the notion of "not renouncing your citizenship is a form of consent."


I think we are forced to do a lot of things to live in this country, a lot less than many other countries, but I hear people apply slavery to so many things it loses it value. How about indenture service for being an American, but in this case you are paid.



posted on Jan, 26 2016 @ 12:57 AM
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a reply to: Thetan

Your "update" came after my post.
And it still does not qualify as slavery. You don't get to define terms at your whim. Slavery places human life at the level of chattel. To be disposed of at the convenience of the owner.

"If any slave resists his master...correcting such a slave, and shall happen to be killed in such correction...the master
shall be free of all punishment...as if such accident never happened."

en.wikipedia.org...

While I protested the draft vehemently, and was subject to it, it does not constitute slavery.

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posted on Jan, 26 2016 @ 01:34 AM
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Ok , the definition of slavery :




Simple Definition of slave : someone who is legally owned by another person and is forced to work for that person without pay


slave

Of course some people would debate that the sky is actually yellow.....


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posted on Jan, 26 2016 @ 04:51 AM
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Well if you # up you will wish you were a primitive slave while in service.



posted on Jan, 26 2016 @ 06:44 AM
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Military (including drafted soldiers) hold an inherent right to self defence under international law.

A slave has no right to self defence and can be killed or have punishment forced upon them arbitrarily without trial or due process.



posted on Jan, 26 2016 @ 07:04 AM
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a reply to: Thetan

I understand what you're getting at...but I don't think so. The criteria is different. But, we can agree to disagree.

Perhaps, it should have been put in the context of how it is like a form of slavery....even though slaves aren't armed nor could say no.

Draftees have options, whereas slaves do not.

Thanks....MS
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posted on Jan, 26 2016 @ 07:15 AM
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a reply to: Thetan

In this day of age nobody should be drafted in to servitude for any nation short of an all out invasion.

Why we should we send our young adults to far off shores to fight and die for the politicians and corporations is beyond my understanding.

Let the political swine and corporate monsters at the helm of the institutions and boardrooms go fight, die and be blown apart at the seams, see how they like it.
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posted on Jan, 27 2016 @ 12:17 AM
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Well the technical and bureaucratic comparison of the two structures were laid out on the first page.

Still, the similarities of how the individual is affected cannot be ignored. The subject, against their free will, is put into a "do or die" situation that is not clearly beneficial to their well being.

It's half a step from the fate of being falsely imprisoned.

In a classic context, the "volunteer" is duped or somehow extorted into "service". In modern times, there is more of a cynical awareness that glory is not the ultimate reward, it's accepted that the motives of the (slave) masters, either going to war or conscripting manual labour, are less than honourable.



posted on Jan, 27 2016 @ 12:25 AM
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originally posted by: Thetan
There is a manifest contradiction with some politicians of the United States government. Every politician would say that they are against slavery, yet not all of them are against the draft.

All cases of slavery are cases of allocating someones body, time, or resources without their consent.
The draft is a case of allocating someones body, time, or resources without their consent.
Therefore, the draft is slavery.

Do you see the contradiction? You cannot be against all cases of slavery and be for the draft, yet that is the contradiction they live.


Good to see someone has been reading the Ebook Silent Weapons for quiet wars.

The book on the part on the draft being slavery, which is in the last few pages of the book, also makes the point that false nationalism such as cries of 'defending freedom', are simply designed to get mothers to voluntary send their sons off to die in foreign lands and so spread the guilt over several generations.

This in turns stifles dissent in families and makes it easier for govt to continue to impose the slavery based draft system on each generation if necessary.



posted on Jan, 27 2016 @ 12:28 AM
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originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: Thetan
There is a manifest contradiction with some politicians of the United States government. Every politician would say that they are against slavery, yet not all of them are against the draft.

All cases of slavery are cases of allocating someones body, time, or resources without their consent.
The draft is a case of allocating someones body, time, or resources without their consent.
Therefore, the draft is slavery.

Do you see the contradiction? You cannot be against all cases of slavery and be for the draft, yet that is the contradiction they live.


Apart from these little things.

Slaves weren't paid.
Slaves weren't given weapons that could kill their masters.
Slaves didn't have the choice to go against an order of they knew it was wrong.
Slaves weren't defending their country.

See where I'm going with this?


Might I suggest that you read the last 3-4 pages of the free Ebook Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars, - The OP is correct, it is admitted in the book that the Draft is slavery.



posted on Jan, 27 2016 @ 12:29 AM
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it is admitted in the book that the Draft is slavery.

Admitted by whom?

Or do you mean claimed?

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posted on Jan, 27 2016 @ 12:33 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Thetan

In this day of age nobody should be drafted in to servitude for any nation short of an all out invasion.

Why we should we send our young adults to far off shores to fight and die for the politicians and corporations is beyond my understanding.

Let the political swine and corporate monsters at the helm of the institutions and boardrooms go fight, die and be blown apart at the seams, see how they like it.


May I suggest your read the last 3-4 pages of the free ebook Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars. They explain exactly how they do it.



posted on Jan, 27 2016 @ 12:33 AM
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posted on Jan, 27 2016 @ 12:34 AM
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originally posted by: Gothmog
Ok , the definition of slavery :




Simple Definition of slave : someone who is legally owned by another person and is forced to work for that person without pay


slave

Of course some people would debate that the sky is actually yellow.....



Perhaps you might like to read the last 3-4 pages of the free Ebook Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars



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