The draft is slavery

a reply to: Thetan

Also, since you ignored my third point... can I assume that you are FOR slavery in the here and now... NOT in the hypothetical you raised in the OP?

a reply to: eluryh22
If you are for any kind of draft(including universal,) then you are. If you don't agree, prove me wrong.

originally posted by: Thetan
a reply to: TerryDon79
So you made points to counter my argument, that didn't counter my argument?

Because your points for what being a slave is is minuscule. You missed off some major points that defines what a slave actually is.

a reply to: eluryh22
I have no idea what you're talking about. It's illogical to assume that since I ignored your off-topic remark, that I am for slavery. I am against taxation, but that's off topic.

a reply to: TerryDon79
So you disagree with premise one. Okay, refute it. What is the correct definition for slavery?

a reply to: Thetan

One of the conditions of being a United States citizen is signing up for selective service. Every citizen has the choice to renounce their citizenship.

By remaining a citizen, you freely accept the condition that you sign up for selective service.


No, it's not slavery. It's a civic responsibility taken on freely by being and remaining a United States citizen.

bah yes i agree with you. when my mind jumps the gun, i know i need rest.

a reply to: EternalSolace
Every citizen? So a two year old can renounce citizenship? I'm trying to get you to speak precisely here. So you disagree with premise two?

a reply to: vjr1113
Join the fray then, it's currently three against one haha.

originally posted by: Thetan
a reply to: TerryDon79
So you disagree with premise one. Okay, refute it. What is the correct definition for slavery?

The first one is this.

(Especially in the past) a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them

oxford dictionary

originally posted by: Thetan
a reply to: EternalSolace
Every citizen? So a two year old can renounce citizenship? I'm trying to get you to speak precisely here. So you disagree with premise two?

A two year old isn't required to sign up for selective service now are they?

a reply to: EternalSolace

You said EVERY citizen.

although id be careful about defining slave. there is a difference between human property and an american slave. an american slave is property, so yes you argument is sound, but slaves were treated a certain way by whites, so draftees may not be treated like american slaves, doesn't mean they couldn't of course, but i agree with you. as property the state could do with you whatever they want.

if the state can order you to die, then everything else they could do with you is justifiable. that's probably why no one likes the draft.

originally posted by: Thetan
a reply to: EternalSolace

You said EVERY citizen.

You're grasping for straws now.

a reply to: TerryDon79
That isn't the correct definition of slavery.

a reply to: EternalSolace
Not at all, just asking that you speak more precisely. Which premise(s) do you disagree with?

originally posted by: Thetan
a reply to: TerryDon79
That isn't the correct definition of slavery.

That is one of the definitions. And that's the Oxford Dictionary, not me, saying that.

a reply to: TerryDon79
That's called an "appeal to authority" fallacy, my good fellow. The definition is incorrect.

in fact nazi german made children fight against the allies, so it is possible for a state to force anyone to fight under a draft, they just don't make 2 year old fight because they cant point a gun.


i dont believe the US is capable of that but making anyone fight is unethical in my opinion. in the case of ww2, it was literally us or them considering how close the SS came to atomic power, but i dont think anyone was made to fight really, people were lining up around blocks to get some nazi arse.

originally posted by: Thetan
a reply to: TerryDon79
That's called an "appeal to authority" fallacy, my good fellow. The definition is incorrect.

Are you kidding? It is the Internet so I can't tell sarcasm through text. If you're not kidding then I have nothing more to say as your idea of slavery is flawed.