Can a 'True Follower of Jesus' be Divorced / Re-married & still call himself a 'Christian' ?

a reply to: Sigismundus

Actually there is two ways that a divorce is considered lawful. One if the spouse is a unrepetant cheater and continues to cheat and then in one of them is a threat to the others life. I f the husband tries to kill his wife it would be fine. but there are exceptions to no divorce that do jive with the bible.

And if its in th eOT it dont apply to the gentiles/christians since they are under another covenant.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: randyvs

Do you disagree with Jesus, and think that divorce is acceptable beyond adultery? Do you disagree with Jesus and think a spouse jilted by an adulterer has the right to remarry, committing adultery?

No, I'm to gutless to disagree with him. Or at least that smart.

Its not adultry if the one who was not cheating is divorced first is it? Although the cheater is always considered a adulterer.

a reply to: yuppa

Been married three times, I confess if the lawmaker says I'm
an adulterer then I am. Now what?

originally posted by: randyvs

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: randyvs

Do you disagree with Jesus, and think that divorce is acceptable beyond adultery? Do you disagree with Jesus and think a spouse jilted by an adulterer has the right to remarry, committing adultery?

No, I'm to gutless to disagree with him. Or at least that smart.

So, a woman has no right to divorce an abusive husband?

a reply to: yuppa

Actually there is two ways that a divorce is considered lawful. One if the spouse is a unrepetant cheater and continues to cheat and then in one of them is a threat to the others life. I f the husband tries to kill his wife it would be fine. but there are exceptions to no divorce that do jive with the bible.

Divorce IS lawful according to the Bible, as is evident in the scripture being discussed in the OP. Moses allowed for divorce. Jesus did not, unless, supposedly, there was adultery involved. Jesus also defined remarriage as adultery, under no uncertain terms.

a reply to: windword

So, a woman has no right to divorce an abusive husband?

Where do rights come into this ?
I don't recall anything mentioned about rights.
You answer your own question on that one windword?
Does a woman have that right?

a reply to: randyvs

Rights....within church doctrine. Jesus certainly doesn't offer her any.

Just about every one of you Christians have made up some excuse as to why divorce and remarriage are okay, but fall short of admitting that they disagree with Jesus on this issue.

Or, at the least you're all mostly okay with continuing on as being adulterous sinners, that Jesus will forgive anyway.

At "The Well", when Jesus told the woman who had been married 5 times, to "go and sin no more"..... what do you think he meant? Could she go home and have sexual relations with her 5th husband, and NOT be sinning in Jesus' eyes?

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: yuppa

Actually there is two ways that a divorce is considered lawful. One if the spouse is a unrepetant cheater and continues to cheat and then in one of them is a threat to the others life. I f the husband tries to kill his wife it would be fine. but there are exceptions to no divorce that do jive with the bible.

Divorce IS lawful according to the Bible, as is evident in the scripture being discussed in the OP. Moses allowed for divorce. Jesus did not, unless, supposedly, there was adultery involved. Jesus also defined remarriage as adultery, under no uncertain terms.

Actually even Single people commit adultery just by looking at another person if you want to get technical. Also Jesus I am sure woudnt call a widow or widower a adulteress because its Till death do you part.

a reply to: windword

And another thing, the word man isn't something that
gets slung on the plate of every male to our species like
gravy on potatoes. By the rights of passage only were we
called men. Some how I don't think being an ass()@L&
that pummels his wife and kids qualifies. And it takes a
man to be husband. Now I admit that may sound like
semantics. But I insist, it only sounds that way.

a reply to: yuppa

Its not adultry if the one who was not cheating is divorced first is it? Although the cheater is always considered a adulterer.

“Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery."
Luke 16:18

a reply to: windword

Just about every one of you Christians have made up some excuse as to why divorce and remarriage are okay, but fall short of admitting that they disagree with Jesus on this issue.

Hmmm... "Just about every one of you Christians..."

Stereotyping, are we?

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: yuppa

Actually there is two ways that a divorce is considered lawful. One if the spouse is a unrepetant cheater and continues to cheat and then in one of them is a threat to the others life. I f the husband tries to kill his wife it would be fine. but there are exceptions to no divorce that do jive with the bible.

Divorce IS lawful according to the Bible, as is evident in the scripture being discussed in the OP. Moses allowed for divorce. Jesus did not, unless, supposedly, there was adultery involved. Jesus also defined remarriage as adultery, under no uncertain terms.

Actually even Single people commit adultery just by looking at another person if you want to get technical. Also Jesus I am sure woudnt call a widow or widower a adulteress because its Till death do you part.

Yep. That's what I said earlier. Jesus didn't annul the law, he made it harder. He broadened the definition of the sin of adultery by a long shot!

a reply to: redoubt

This thread is directed at Christians, right? I'm addressing the Christians in this thread, specifically, the Christians in this thread that are making excuses for their stance, those that refuse to admit that they disagree with Jesus' strictness on the subject.

a reply to: windword

This thread is directed at Christians, right?

ALL Christians? I mean, all the many, many variations?
Even those who are Christians without any official connectivity to a religion?
Even those who dare step outside the arena?

Just curious, is all.

a reply to: redoubt

I was referring to all the Christians in this thread who had responded. I qualified it with "just about every one of you", because there are some who aren't defending their stance with hypocrisy and coming forward honestly in their disagreement with the scripture. I wasn't referring to all Christians, in general.

a reply to: windword

Thank you for the details

a reply to: windword

Rights....within church doctrine. Jesus certainly doesn't offer her any.

Just about every one of you Christians have made up some excuse as to why divorce and remarriage are okay, but fall short of admitting that they disagree with Jesus on this issue.

Or, at the least you're all mostly okay with continuing on as being adulterous sinners, that Jesus will forgive anyway.

At "The Well", when Jesus told the woman who had been married 5 times, to "go and sin no more"..... what do you think he meant? Could she go home and have sexual relations with her 5th husband, and NOT be sinning in Jesus' eyes?

You ignore the massive difference of a woman in sin divorcing
and remarrying over and over. And for all we know for no more
reason than the next biggest appendage in line? What isn't sinful
about that? In comparison to a woman married to an abusive
ass? Not a husband at all. And even tho I do pretty good at arguing
from my percieved Gods point of view Windword. the thing I know
best is not to argue or question God and second best that he doesn't
need me to defend him. And I don't see you as having guts because
you do question him. But I do see you as a hypocrite for questioning
anyone you don't even believe in. Pot, you are the kettle also.

a reply to: windword

No, I really don't mind the description coming from you. Is it projection of self? Is there anything else you would like to throw at 'us christians'. Please, be honest. No holding back. Maybe when you've exhausted yourself, you might think about addressing your personal insecurities.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: yuppa

Its not adultry if the one who was not cheating is divorced first is it? Although the cheater is always considered a adulterer.

“Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery."
Luke 16:18

The Old Testament takes divorce as an already-established custom. Abuses were criticized, but the practice was not outlawed.

The Synoptic Gospels report what Jesus said about divorce. In Mark and Luke, his statements seem to prohibit divorce, but Jesus did not intend for those statements to be used as an exceptionless code of conduct. In Matthew, an exception is allowed for cases of porneia.19

Although Paul was aware of the Lord’s teaching about divorce, he did not consider the Mark/Luke version final. Nor did he consider porneia the only legitimate exception, so Matthew’s statements are not the complete description of God’s will, either.

Sorry you are taking things out of CONTEXT man. There are exceptions. Ill drop th epage i go t this from for you so you can read it yourself in detail. If you dont...skim down to comclusion.

Link about divorce and remarriage