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Baddogma's Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

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posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: jacygirl

You are a great person to take care of your mother in law.

Kev




posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 04:16 PM
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a reply to: beansidhe

We do.

We still do it.

I'm fairly certain that "skinwalker Ranch" was an active study in just that.

I'm pretty certain that this placebo mythology effect is being actively researched.

What they don't fully realize is that you need a "real shaman" Or the results are pretty small.

Kev



posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 04:17 PM
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a reply to: beansidhe

Those "Old women in the Highlands" were right, hehe...

If I ever need to consecrate an ill cow? rofl...That sounds like the perfect excuse to me!

"Sorry I'm late but I had to consecrate an ill cow!" (Who's gonna argue with that?)

jacy



posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 04:19 PM
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a reply to: Baddogma

The Universe seems to still be working on the stabilization of energy in the face of entropy trick; though it seems multiple evolutionary paths are underway.

Kev



posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 04:23 PM
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a reply to: jacygirl

They were right.


Who knows when you might need to pull the 'ill cow' card? Tuck it away, just in case.
It's good fun swapping spells with you, we must do it more often.

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posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 04:33 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Hypothetically, what results could occur with a real shaman?



posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 04:41 PM
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originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: jacygirl

You are a great person to take care of your mother in law.

Kev


Thank you. It's a labour of love.

I have a question for you, but I'm working on it. The words aren't coming smoothly today.

beansidhe...That WAS fun, thank you! Do you know any spells/incantations to cure lack of money, lol?

jacy



posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 04:58 PM
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a reply to: jacygirl

I do! A bit of a weird one, don't say it loudly it in public.


Eolas bun deirg



posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 06:41 PM
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a reply to: jacygirl

One newish "spell" to make money, I've heard, is the "growing cash crop in closet" spell, or Heiygraad-marwanna in the old tongue.

Unfortunately, if in certain unenlightened areas, that one can be undone by the "Ei-en-skie-therhmahl-imagher."

That we live in a society where one can experience poverty while looking after a helpless elder sickens me to no end...

I am trying so hard to remember the beauty that lives in most people, and not just the ones suffering and doing the correct and good things, no matter how covered by ideological excrement the "average" person is... it does get overwhelming. Might as well cast a Fae spell, though, as that has a better chance of working than everyone waking up to how we could exist if we rewrote the rules given to us.

And that little community in CO... any room for newcomers and do we have to wear any silly regalia? I love the idea of using technology with nature, rather than against it.... I have mused that nature could be a technology itself, even aside from ideas of a designed universe.



posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 07:33 PM
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a reply to: beansidhe

Well in 1981 I watched a "high level adept" summon a void Lord and maybe 100,000 space imps, who then attached to the medulla oblongata of the 10,000 audience members.

Its hard to know what mischief ultimately resulted from that. I know of 3 hardcore possessions for sure. Not counting the cockatiel.

I imagine that thousands of the UFOs seen since then can be attributed to these critters.

It would seem that it was a "great working" like rumored to have been done by Crowley. A Lam type gray "alien" was present...before I had ever heard of Crowley BTW...I'm a mystic/shaman not Some idiot power mad magician/occultist.

Now typically a shaman would counter these kind of effects, not cause them, as a shaman is supposed to help their community, not act like a moron.

Being a "failed shaman" (a somewhat sane one), I can't tell you just how far it can go.

But "physical effects" are strictly limited except in the most ridiculous (and "evil" cases).

Also its not like I have a key to the clubhouse....

Kev
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posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 08:13 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Considering human nature, I'm not really surprised by any of that.



posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 09:15 PM
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originally posted by: beansidhe
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Hypothetically, what results could occur with a real shaman?


Part of the "power"of a shaman is the people's belief in their abilities...



posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 09:50 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom

I'm sure more than a few were killed or driven off after not living up to someone's expectations when they had a bad day, far in the past. These days one can just work a crowd for good or ill as a TV preacher, faith healer, or something similar, and have fewer complications.

I'm just happy that's not the only path available, and that some of us weird folks can go unwitnessed when we put on the shaman/sorcerer mask.



posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 10:04 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom

That's pretty well known.

I like the storyteller aspect...telling a good or at least better story can act as a bridge.

Bridges are important.

Kev



posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 10:15 PM
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a reply to: Rethaya

I hate the bad stories in the world.

Organized religion has some of the worst stories.

The technological absorption of man into machine is another horrible story.

That individual humans have no value, and someday about 1000 Humans will "own" everything...a horrible story.

Humans have no good stories.

I keep looking for a good story...but for that to be possible humans would have to work together and that seems a dead story arc.

If I can scare up a good story, I will.

But it "takes a village to raise a child".

Kev



posted on Feb, 22 2016 @ 02:16 AM
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Why do you think there are 'UFO' hotspots ?
Do these correspond at all with 'Fae' hotspots ?

In the more tech advanced countries of the world we see UFO's but in the rural areas of the world they still see 'Fae' creatures.

Do you think the cryptoid sightings are just further encounters with these critters?



posted on Feb, 22 2016 @ 07:44 AM
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originally posted by: johnb
Why do you think there are 'UFO' hotspots ?
Do these correspond at all with 'Fae' hotspots ?

In the more tech advanced countries of the world we see UFO's but in the rural areas of the world they still see 'Fae' creatures.

Do you think the cryptoid sightings are just further encounters with these critters?


Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
I'd say that the hotspots are where the critters tend to live (probably under the ground, in the equivalent dark energy/dark matter / plasma friendly space that makes sense from a geographical standpoint.

When I said that this is a universal theory that explains nearly all anomalous/ufo type things (over the past several years) I wasn't joking.

Kev



posted on Feb, 22 2016 @ 08:54 AM
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a reply to: Baddogma

The so-called "problem of evil" is a GREAT thing to ponder. It's rather like other "unsolvable" questions, as it tuns out that the original premises are all screwy. That's the value in the exercise. But most people don't spend the time it takes to "solve it", but rather either stay sullen and cranky about the "issue", or try to take someone else's take on it, but remain sullen and cranky.

Somehow, humans feel that "God" exists in some sort of anthropomorphic form, and that said "God" is either one of two things:

1) A benevolent sky daddy that wants to shower them with love and eternal life

-OR-

2) Some real asshole "trapping them" in some "hell world".

There are other views, but these two are instructional to start.

Does a badger feel one of these two applies to him or her? Probably not. A dolphin? Probably not. There's plenty of fish and fun until suddenly they die.

But we humans either delude themselves that such a skydaddy exists, and then get cranky when things don't turn out that way.. or we give up on that delusion, but keep throwing tantrums.

I don't recall the Universe ever showing up and making us grandiose promises.. of course some people think that the Universe has done exactly that.. and that is very sad..as the mental gymnastics that must be willingly undergone ties up much of the brain's capacity to do something worthwhile, and gives nothing in return, but perhaps ashes.

When people ask me about what "spirits" I "critters" I may have interacted with, I am always forced to give some rather grim stories, and scarcely ever any "happy stories".

There is a reason for that, and it's not that the "Universe is evil" or that "God" hates us.

It's really very simple.

Other species live until they die, and do the best both for themselves and their species until they die---and probably don't bitch about any imagined injustices on the part of the Universe.

Humans don't do that. We bitch and whine and delude ourselves that we are so very important.

Now as to some of these "other spiritual species".

All the ones I've come across seem pretty motivated to advance their own self-interest. If they see a resource and they want to use it, they try to use it. If they want more "power" they delude some "self-styled magician" and get him/her to rev up the god-making machine (the human body) and get them to do something for them---promising much and giving almost nothing.

Now that makes sense, at least from a "game theory" perspective. Maybe someday it will be in their best interests to make friends instead of just use people---but the sad truth is that humans don't register as even BEING SENTIENT to many of these species..so cooperation and respect are not possible. Do you collaborate with a dish of sliced cucumbers? Probably not.

Now there seem to be some benevolent types out there.. but they will not "enter a person's house without invitation", so if anything, they "wait" for the humans to discover them and to invite them to participate.. but still it's like an ant trying to collaborate with an Einstein.

And most humans don't know how to "call properly", so if they do, they wind up calling something at best neutral and often nasty.

I'd really like to tell a good story, about wonderful spiritual paths that lead to skydaddy land with pet unicorns and unlimited candy that doesn't make you fat.

But I can't.

But humans could build that world, or find that world, if they worked together like other species do.

The Universe isn't so grim.. it's humans who are grim, as they tell each other grim stories, and don't work together very well to change that.

Kev
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posted on Feb, 22 2016 @ 08:57 AM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I don't have a problem with "adepts" or whatever working with weird crap for their own reasons, as long as it doesn't affect other forms of life. I'm no saint myself, but stories like that one you mentioned bother me.



posted on Feb, 22 2016 @ 09:06 AM
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originally posted by: Rethaya
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I don't have a problem with "adepts" or whatever working with weird crap for their own reasons, as long as it doesn't affect other forms of life. I'm no saint myself, but stories like that one you mentioned bother me.



I don't like it when some treat humans like brainless pieces of meat to be used. Now, that's how a lot of humans treat other humans. But I don't like it. And if I have any opportunity to do so, I won't stand for it. Just like in 1981. The issue was not completely counteracted, but it was dealt with. The "High Adept" stopped mid incantation and fled for his life, with feathered serpents chewing on his ass all the way home.

I'm very close to squeaky clean myself. If there is a boundary I'm not supposed to cross---then i don't cross it. But of course that reduces my effectiveness by 90%. But that's rather the point.

We are supposed to work together for the benefit of our species. If we don't, we will fail.

The Universe has no interest in individuals striding around with magic wands doing tricks.

Now, everyone is free to attempt to make that a reality.. for themselves.. but the flora and fauna that would have to be collaborated with have little or no interest in playing that game. They have their own games.

Self-appointed magicians are frelling morons for the most part.

Kev




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