Baddogma's Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

a reply to: Serdgiam

One thing I can think of is maybe repeating what we already did? Set up a platform for "random" human input one side, an internet based random generator on the other, one in the middle to assure no one peeks and see what happens?

For example, a thread "what's your favourite sentence" and a conversation with a bot on the other end and count the matches?
But that's just off the top of my head.

It's not really something but I just opened my browser and look what it says:

"...find out about the status of internet health" that at least ...is... I don't know... fitting

a reply to: Peeple

People, you so funny!! LOL.

Have I told you I love you lately??!!

And yes, I knew that when I typed it but am trying to keep the conversation going...



Hi caver78!! *waves*

a reply to: Peeple

But these are a couple of sticking points.
It's assumes AI has no creativity. It's version of it and ours would probably be wildly divergent. Plus we don't know that AI doesn't have to overcome some of the same things we try to. For example, the critters in the machine.

Think Stephen King on this one....

AI may have it's hands so full residing in the interwebs, fending off electronic imps or plasma beings that are maybe forcing the porn & junk onto it that it's not shy, it's busy. We are still irrelevant to it as it's occupied with other matters.



Just cause AI resides in cyberspace that cyberspace is still folded into OUR space so many of the same rules may apply.
Plus AI would still necessarily be electrical based, so yeah....we have to transcend our bodies and I'm willing to bet AI will have to transcend it's computer chips and servers. no small task.

To say the worst of humanity demonstrates itself on the webs thru us may not actually be the case. Dunno if anyones been on the internet since the mid 90's but search engine results have changed drastically. You google a recipe and russian brides pops up for instance.

Some of that no doubt are TPTB herding us into dumbed down results, but what if there's more to it?
KPB's plasma imps have figured out how to get a hook into us another way? Tricking us into giving permissions is what they're good at. Sure! click on that L'oreal ad!

Wait? WHAT did I just agree too again???

The AI meme has as much propaganda attached to it as every other woo topic. I think we need to recognize that and not make assumptions, yet.

(Hey Teo!!! waving back!!!)

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

I was mean to you and you answer with "I love you"? Hm...
What is your status, I mean you keep feeding us here with all kinds of important threads of the bigger tapestry but what your explanation attempt is, is still a mystery to me?
Is it all one to you? Which percentage do you think is what? What's your take on the internets' awareness?

a reply to: Caver78

Nah sorry I'm not a fan of that "humans are good it's the evil XY making us do this" sex is the easiest accessible drug, instant reward and you can do it alone or in groups, most humans aren't even aware of what they're doing let alone why.

But you're right I as much as everybody don't have the slightest clue what it's like to live in a world of electromagnetic waves with a body scattered throughout all kinds of devices. But it's fun to twist the brain trying to imagine.

a reply to: Peeple

Perfectly fine!!

Just tossed it out as part of the example.

a reply to: Peeple

I'm not sure the internet is aware yet.

But there are people using it to figure out what people know. At this point, don't care anymore. I know how to kill RSA encryption and they should be scared.

I'm saying this to let them know their days are numbered,

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

Sounds like "en garde". I don't know if it matters much anymore. As things are developing all of our days seem to be numbered.
Might just be Sunday blues.

a reply to: Peeple

Peeps, you rule!

I love you straight upness. And your straight up was is awesome!

No trolling on my part. Just questioning over here. Wish Baddogma was here to help guide us.

The truth is gonna freak the world out!!

Light. Best hint ever!!!

a reply to: Peeple

Well, here is what I have noticed lately; when stage diving though form... when I sleep my minds eye is wide open when awake the same thing. Of course in the sleep cycle there are those trying to work some sort of programming in to continue their own delusional illusion cycle of being or existence out of greed and hate of course. So when waking the boomerang effect takes hold and all of that karma or cause and effect swirls out like arms on a galaxy of them trying to make some silly reality then it all clears out and turns over and cycles them through the wheel of life in various ways from that... of course each being has their own wheel of life... like it is a permanent tattoo on their back like a kick me sign until free, then they want to see face to face so hiding in the closet in their various "forms" doing whatever nasty little things they like to do... and try to play hide and go seek... as if all life is not aware it is aware in all forms at the same level of conscious awareness or at least potential to be.

So here I am laying on my right side, the 3rd eye window opens a being glides through and as your minds eye watches them consciousness sort of pulls with them and they reveal things or in non attachment go on their merry way, So I am watching this being she comes drifting through my mattress as my third eye is watching and thee is a termite but in consciousness a "human" form gnawing his little ass away on the wooden frame... so of course this could mean hey there is a "bug" under my bed trying to eat me out of house and home but she grabbed it and killed it or carried it away, I thought it kinda silly and funny at the same time and just detached and went back to laying on my side.

Perhaps it is just the equanimity of being when diving through all of these realms that see them as equal without bias and well th food chain or chain of consciousness or unconsciousness of awareness clear or unclear is variable depending on those attachments. Some like to try to lock eyes like a mimic, those can be difficult to detach from as they try to attach like a tractor beam, so the 4th level of Dyanna or formless meditation is a good skill to be able to enter at will to vanish in an instant and then they have nothing to attach too. Sort of like popping ones own bubble...

I had one of those slow draws through the "hells" all Dante's inferno style... it was very interesting and well, almost like a tour, I had one however long ago that seemed like oh I dunno thousands of years, in as cheesy as it seems cloud cities of heavens etc. like conglomerate clouds full of pompous asses or particular about a certain "level" of cleanliness and I am talking about all clouds and white marbled sorts of stuff chapel ceiling style going around to various ones... and it was like playing darts and conquests and running down and slaying and spoils and if their "god" which they call a "dog" when it hits ground cannot match or win the entire realm then they become your servant or slave or "Christ/Maitreya" child and have to learn from you as an example well I free them as I don't take slaves and dont want a bunch of people hanging around from above or below. So I go to Indra's place in 7th heaven to return his child which helped me in this incarnation and they said sorry one taint you'll be back in 60 years and I started laughing at them as I am being cast out I see a messenger or the cat that is not supposed to be let out of the back until it is time for a reveal, and i rapid fire ask three questions... laughing because they say oh no be gone, which puts me at 104 years old at the time of death, but mon frere... relativity and time being what it is only those deluded to it's existence... so I offer the guardian cat, nine lives shooting images of cat food towards like commercial imagery... now see this cat was supposed to follow me as a sneaky wager to do nine more rounds when offered as Enma or basically the devil, to spin and turn the wheel of becoming.

Well, I trapped the kitty to judge the "master" of the house and caught his silly ass trying to return knowing I was already there under the guises of having never left a year early... so it became a matter of three blind mice see how they run and well being in a state of spiritual yab-yum my dakini wife jumped out and cut off their tails with a butcher knife as the clock struck them dumb in attachment to time. That's why I was laughing on the way out... like an automatic cord returning on a vaccum cleaner... so here I sit on my nice puffy white cloud like venus on the half shell or an oyster with a pearl of infinite wisdom that is covered in hot sauce as an aphrodisiac, that is constantly enticing the "master" of the house hahaha because he has had enough of his "lady" having robbed a realm in the classical sense.

So now he is stuck in the "dog house" with a cat chasing his ass around for getting burned... squealing with his tail between his legs hiding as a "rat" which she fears did not help... when "miss kitty" said meeeeow.

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

I could write an essay about the symbolic meanings and my interpretation, but I am sure you don't need that and wouldn't appreciate it, so I just say:
Thank you that's interesting.

And I am a bit jealous all my dreams lately are about everyone I know/knew dying before they learn to let go and I have to watch. Including the animals. Makes me edgy and bitchy and whiny and even less tolerant towards the stupidity of most/all the poor blind dumb f*cks.
In a way I envy your "detachment". But then again I believe it is wrong sooooooo...
Wtf do I know? Am I right? You gotta live the life you got and face the lessons you get.

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

Btw with the start of season 3 falling Skies really got lame.
I'm watching Orange is the new black now. And enjoy Laura Prepon a lot. A lot...
Say you don't have any cool music advice? I'm looking but jesus seriously most music is so mind blowing sh1t. I tried the postal service that was okay, but also a bit like the newer radiohead just not as good.

Besides how are you doing? Hope you're fine?

a reply to: Peeple

I stopped listening to the radio in 2000 so I'm not a great source for new music (he types while listening to New Model Army's Vengeance: The Independent Story). I've been going back to 90s music thanks to Baddogma's other thread. It seems that I like albums. My last purchases were Black Sabbath, RATM, and Soundgarden's re-issue of Badmotorfinger. Not exactly cutting edge there.

Tried The Postal Service and it makes me want to switch it off. Tried My Bloody Valentine, Rilo Kiley, and a few others. blech. About the only thing "new" I like are Of Monsters and Men. Even Radio on the TV are from 2001 like 15 years ago!

I've been busy then bored then busy so all is back to normal. Wah! Even my dreams are just dreams now. Although I did hear this loud 'BEEP' like a Casio watch the other night. Only watch I have is analog (how old school is that? lol). No devices, computers, etc make that sound so... but compared to other strangeness it is not even a bother anymore.

I had hoped Falling Skies was going to be better. I did watch most of the last season which wasn't that bad. But it is the middle section that had me turning it off. Oh, you might like Mr. Robot. I do. Halt and Catch Fire is pretty good too. But that is because I was a nerd-geek at that time studying computers. So it is kind of comfortable.

No woo. No triangle spotting. No Samsquanch, no Nessie. No BEKs. But am vigilant and hope some here on ATS have some good tales to share!

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

That's just sad, no music.
And the woo got awfully quiet. Like "they" are holding their breath and watch the escalation. Maybe it's more like a periodic wave thing, we're heading for the zero line?
ATS is also just rehash of old stories, Trump and the boring WW3 scare. Urch.
It might be a good thing, I have learning java on my to-do-list. Just bores me beyond belief, I mean wtf for should I write programmes to solve math problems? I want to make games man!
So naturally I play guitar, paint and watch Netflix. A boolean thing.
Haha that's it basically my entire so far accumulated knowledge. And I am not even sure that's true or false.
But who cares as long as I'm pretty I can say my (fake)blonde woman brain isn't equipped to deal with it.


Oh and I also found this gem:
textadventures.co.uk it's a fantastic waste of time. I have started one myself and it will be... at least 60hrs of my life I won't get back.

a reply to: Peeple

Programming? Yuk. Learning a language to program is about as fun as watching paint dry. Boolean? True or false. Nand. What people should learn is not "programming" but asking "what is a program used for." Then, try and design a program that does that. Soon, you realize this thing called "scope." Then you realize that people do not use programs as they were intended. Peeple should write a program other people ("the others"!) would want to use. Games fit that bill rather nicely.

Unfortunately, you also have to learn syntax. Which is a PITA. It is like looking for that snake. Some just get it. Others bang their head on the keyboard and it is not because they have Quiet Riot on their Walkman. Others, really have to learn by doing. That is where the issue lies: everybody learns differently.

Women in STEM is kind of hot, dontcha know? You'd be a big fish in a small pond. And you could exercise your benevolent totalitarianism if you make management. Would be no different than any other boss I've worked for, male or female. Except here is rather nice so I'm sticking around.

Learn the Java syntax. Then _javascript is really easy. Then write an app that everybody wants, make your million and stalk Elon Musk!



eta - Hey look were talking about language again...

a reply to: Peeple

This was while meditating via listening; something women taught me... compassion, empathy. Of course I agree after learning that very very difficult lesson? I wholly agree lessons need to be learned. But of course; being lorded over or controlled... by those that will not let go of the reigns and simply live and let live that still need those lessons. Are either very advanced or infantile or manipulative of their understanding and power and need an excuse, the lesson or knowledge we as all life bring to our tables in chains... either feed on it or give it the heaven and hell concept of feeding each other or yanking food out of each others mouths. Then flipping the table in duality...

When people try to keep such in one family... no matter what family that is in which life contains no difference in internal and external when realized, same with life and death in equanimity. We are all murders and form changers... the communication however may or may not be different depending on realization or a desire to control... from that very attachment or desire you speak of.

It is one thing to live lives it is another thing to live lies... and there in lay the difference. In untruth of either body speech or mind then the lie is being lived no matter the form... as that energy moves on either it can release like sorry for dragging the past forward like a zombie or spiritual ghost on you new form by never accepting or letting go for what is and what is is right then and right there.

Ignorance is no excuse once known, and once known... all form can do is wait but then again all life being form either with or without attachment...

Then there is just that control, but the desire to own or control a form not ones own... is where the lie or slavery to subject comes in.

So as a female and creator and as a male and a creator I can see why what you desire to create or keep alive as memory, is special... but none of it really ever goes away except when one refuses to accept what has passed is past... if attached to anyone past it starts clinging and twisting their future alive or dead, in that awareness or unawareness.

Both worlds can come together, however attachment and detachment moment to moment for the present or gift of life must come together. One mourns the dead and lets go or carries them along and if the dead agreed then the same thing... if not then where did the tradition go where did the life we carried go and they will in those ways appear as stumbling blocks or cause and effect coming back as the cause and effect one does with intentions whether good or bad that spirals round and round into collision after collision and in entropy those can seem like chaos and disorder and it is chaos and disorder when the three worlds of past and future get all mixed up in the attachment or detachment rob the present or gift of that moment in which awareness is simply occurring.

Judgment and non-acceptance of any being known and unknown as a form of life or existence... is a desire to control life and block the flow of it instead of show appreciation in a sort of dominance and submission... but sentient life is life that is aware, whether one is personally aware of it or not.

This is why life was deemed suffering when seen in such extremes of being that was the realization of the awakened one, then went off to hide to escape a world of control to build their own but first had to sit and realize what you replied with.

Others have desired this form dead so very much that I have killed all of it I could in so many ways so they can let go and move on, but then I have tried to live but those that wont let go of that control wont let go either so the tug of war just goes on and on.

Impermanence even when secrets are hidden from those needing the truth... life will still go on despite what tugging and from where, thats why attachment and detachment can either hold those claiming a personality as themselves or other or other than themselves, thats why truth must occur beyond all extremes.

Those awake could not claim a self in a monastic setting, those that said they had either or where not in a monastic setting... so moral-ism had to adopt ethics to keep the peace, but when those claiming morality dropped it in secrets then the outside says this is unethical and unlawful yet another tug of war... so leaving both in balance leaves two steps and good bye, as those two steps are duality when one leaves the fight or ring of that infinite round and round and wisdom cuts the cord and all fall on their asses for having started the fight in the first place.

So birth and termination of can be a choice, the right timing? Well if a family or conglomerate thereof see a facade oh thats pretty is it a house a home or some form of attachment... and well whats in the closets?

In death well as ashes one inherits the entire earth no form but that energy remains, past wants to call them home as a memory but they say well I don't like what I am seeing here it doesn't feel like home at all someone in that family has to rebuke or become black sheep to say hey nothing wrong with this or that it is just tradition nothing to get fighting about... so meditation and that wisdom from it becomes mediation.

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

When I was a child there was a girl who lived around the corner, I say girl, but like your mother she was developmentally challenged. When I first moved there I was four and she would have been about 16. She couldn't speak properly, moved strangely and had a perpetually vacant expression, but could twirl a rope well enough, and followed us little ones around, joining in, then moving onto the next lot of littler ones as everyone grew up around her and their games got too complex for her to follow. She was though, always, a ray of sunshine. I still see her from time to time, around, though she moved to another part of town around the time I hit my teens. I think that she had a severe variation of Fragile X, among other difficulties, the high pallet associated with the elongated features, really impairs speech without therapy. There was a boy in my son's class, similar characteristics, but with surgery and therapy, he has been able to manage in mainstream school, back when I was a child, things were still backward, a lot of children like that were hidden away and considered a burden, treating their symptoms to improve their quality of life was barely considered, except by those few pioneers who lighted the way.

When the whole Jimmy Saville thing exploded over here I was reminded of her. She was in the right neck of the woods, but, her Mum was lovely, wanted her to have as normal life as possible, never felt she was a burden, so she was never consigned to a "home", she had one. I've seen the other side of the fence, the "special" children whose parents couldn't cope, often understandably, and those who just wanted the "problem" gone so it could be forgotten about. Or there are others, like the boy I baby sat for, whose difficulties are a meal ticket, so keeping them as disabled as possible, not supporting therapy, is part of their lifestyle strategy. He was at the decent end of the scale, he was at least benefitting in some way, it doesn't help him now though that he can't read and write and his parents are now disabled themselves, he needing to fend for himself.

As much as everyone tried to look out for her, it just wasn't always possible. Children get lost in a world of their own, and even with the little ones she couldn't keep up, so every so often she would get "lost". She always turned up a couple of days later none too worse for the wear. It was never known whether it was one man targeting her or multiple opportunists. It never seems to do her too much harm, they all seemed to be "nice" to her and didn't mistreat her in any other way, but still, not something a loving parent wants to have to keep dealing with. To begin with the Police would be called, and everyone would go looking for her, but it was a bit like the first time your cat goes missing versus the hundredth, you kind of have to accept it after a while or lock them up. Her Mum, in the end, had her sterilised for much the same reason. She knew what happened when she went off with whoever she went off with, but she kept going. No one ever dragged her off, she was outwardly at least untraumatised and even "happy" when she returned, like she'd had a good time. Her Mother was never far away, but the minute her Mum was out of sight, she'd be off. What would you do?

People are ill used every second of the day. The abuse and suffering inflicted upon you by your parents is their shame to bear, not yours. You know that. I'm preaching to the choir, I know. It's pitiful though, them, your family. They're so weak, and you're so strong. That was a choice you made, and in making that choice you hold a mirror up to their faces that they can't hide from, showing them what they really are, the choices that they made. I bet that gnaws on them. Forgive yourself, let them continue to make the choices they make while you continue to make yours, but I'm proud of you BBD, not many people can rise above circumstances like that and go the right kind of insane. Keep up the good work.

originally posted by: Peeple
Look what happens if you mix bourbon with death cab for cutie

I wonder if you can see what it is?

A beautiful fish...less sure about the penile growths, but love the colours and submerged/murkiness about it. I Like fish and I like your painting of a fish, I'd hang it on my wall in fact. I could definately live with that. Very well done and thanks for sharing.

a reply to: Anaana

Thank you that's so nice of you. I have a pretty childish approach to it, mostly it's just about the satisfaction I feel when I smear colours on stuff. Lots of colours and I'm not picky when it comes to on what.

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

Android Studio is already waiting for its first use
I suck at stalking. Tried it once and the guy still doesn't know me or my name. It's anyways all just distraction from my real purpose. Benevolent totalitarian. Cult leader. But definitely world domination implementing the NetherWorldOrder.