Baddogma's Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

I never saw it, just heard that it's horrible. You know what's good? Falling Skies. It's a lot like Walking Dead, but instead of lame stupid zombies, cool scary, intelligent aliens.
Because let's face it a zombie apocalypse is the least scary thing, you just need a fleet of caterpillar trucks and a flame thrower and the zombies are finished.

Look what happens if you mix bourbon with death cab for cutie

I wonder if you can see what it is?

a reply to: Peeple

The fish going with the flow or the penis??

I do like the color scheme!

Falling Skies got too tedious for me. I started, and now love, Better Call Saul. Walking Dead I kind of gave up on when Rick and Michonne hooked up. I don't watch soap operas for a reason. If they are funny like The Gilmore Girls ("The Thora Birch society?!!" makes laugh each time I see it!) that's different. Oh, and I am in love with Supergirl. I might even go buy one her CDs because... well, I already said! The Librarians is better than Falling Skies, with that same ER guy in it and semi-interesting stories.

But it is summer time and time to head out doors! Just say "No" to your TV.

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

Damn I didn't see a Penis, now I see three. Got too tedious? I am at the end of season 2 and it keeps getting better.
Also this morning I waded through snow, yes snow to get milk and sugar for my coffee.
I could never let my Sepp(laptop) alone it's where I write, learn, entertain myself, I live in front of it basically.
Also I am so proud of him, he didn't have virus protection until yesterday for almost a year, for...reasons and he didn't catch a single thing the good ol' boy.

a reply to: Peeple

Snow?? Wow, that is a bit off, no? We're in light rain which helps because of all the sand and gravel put down over the winter. My eyes are still watering and I'm packing boogers galore (so gross!). So keeping it all down is helping with that. I think we are past the last snow of the season (we had snow in mid May once since I've lived here).

I'm sipping on iced coffee! So,

How many seasons was the show on?? 5?? 6?? I got board after three. But hey, you like it so own it!! No shame in that. Heck, I'm watching Once Upon A Time because the acting is so good (you have to make it through season 1 though, which is tough because it is laughable at times). Of course, now there are good TV shows back on there is talk of another writer's strike.

I didn't know you painted! I'm about as good as Reverbs with his stick men when it comes to that talent (Reverbs' stick men are actually better than I could do! lol). That is prolly why I picked up the guitar. If I can remember, I will try and check out that live stream on Sunday. I have an OS upgrade to do so I hope I don't botch it. It would be nice to hook up my new iPhone to my mac and be intergrated and such not.

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

I enjoy doing many artsy things. I am a big "Wünstler" That's a german joke, "Kunst kommt von Können, Wunst von Wollen." Art comes from skill, wart(?) from wanting...it doesn't work in english.
General dilettante, 'member
Where's the song I've been waiting for about a year now?

a reply to: Peeple

Tried google translate for the first time! Thanks!!

"Art comes from ability, fancy of will"

And part of my OS upgrade is to see if my software still works. I did not upgrade for that very reason. I suppose I could do it the simple method which would work but I kind of need to do it right. Which might be laying out 600 bucks for the newest version (I think I can upgrade for cheaper but haven't checked). I know... I know...

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

Haha no the translation is the wart thing no fancy in it. At all. A play of words not very translatable.

The lazy guy pays more $... Haha. Imagine Nelson finger pointing at you. You work in IT, right? Ts ts ts

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

I honestly don't think that it's true. And also don't see a difference between awareness and consciousness. Unless you have a freaky definition of consciousness that it requires the use of language or something?
The chakras don't have a mind of their own. I mean in a car the engine and the whatever do their separate jobs, but only the whole thing drives.

Why do you not see awareness and consciousness being different? Consciousness in my conception of it comes with contact and then a bias of that contact... awareness there is contact but no specific differentiation of a conscious bias.

originally posted by: Anaana
a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

Raising a child involves quite a bit of recognising that you have to accentuate the positive and if not eliminate, at least side line the negative. We're all annoying and stupid at times, no single person has ever had the monopoly on that, or been immune to that state when immersed in unfamiliar surroundings or blindsided by the necessity of doing something new. There is way too much knowledge that has to understood to not expect everyone to be able to do their fair share of sharing, and to stop thinking that knowledge and information are things that can be hoarded in order to exploit the ignorance of those who don't possess it. If an educational system is weighted towards learning by rote, instilling in the child that there is only ever one correct answer, you stifle creativity and encourage the kind of mediocrity we see walking around the world everywhere in suits for whom being able to sound sincere, rather than being sincere, is the secret of their success. No wonder so many of them like being dressed up as babies and getting spanked.

Oh children, so glad you didn't say kids as those just eat anything and everything and don't mind what garbage it is... in such a manner it's kids raising kids I was raised as a kid and had to constantly struggle against a mother with less than a 7th grade education that had a smart fellow trying to outsmart her.

Talk about a constant round about she was what gets termed "a little" these days someone with a child mind in an adult body, she loves babies in almost a sick way like baby dolls then just wants to toss them when a new one enters the family until they can talk and become annoying. The father in the situation not likely my real one, was and still is a closet pedo. So his sickness got met good with her lack of caring after a certain amount of time, and her lack of education... of course help was a big thing in the 70's but she lived the easy life just had to sit on her ass and use children like slaves... he knowing her past whoring ways as a gold digger was constantly jealous and well she was always paranoid about losing her meal ticket.

So they both have had nothing but issues; as the children they called kids had to do whatever they could to get by. So lots of adaptation I lost myself in books for many years, solo sports like skating etc. and tried to adapt a refinement although abuse and conflict were so common and the chain yanked because of not wanting children to rise above or spill the beans out of the closet... we were always unloaded on and made to be a burden.

But thats the back story and they will deny and make excuses as any ol slippery eel and act shocked as if its news to them. Denial and acting ignorant and in many cases are just that and well so many witnesses over the years it just isn't plausible no matter the denying.

So I was made out to be the crazy one, and while I didn't want the label all that I learned and went through in that process helped way more towards education and growing as a person than laying and praying in denial ever could or would.

So here I am the "devil" on the doorstep as in I have been over it for a couple of decades now, and trying to play tug of war with material things like that matters... always grew up with a no and on the verge of starvation with basically junk food and nothing every really substantial. But hey Kellogg and his invalid diet(in his rise he was wanting to market cereal as a low cost gruel to prisons etc.)

But having had a son, I wanted to raise him as guiding him towards where he was already headed, children have talents inborn they pick and choose when not constantly fed the goat diet of plastic and rot, but growth and expanded to what they are too rise above that five year old in evolving many are left with base animal instincts of that whole dominance and submission thing, that also needs to be evolved out of in order for humanity to progress into the future into equality.

Of course greed likes to fan flames of hate from those grasped at ignorances that are still inherent from our early ancestors... that can be manipulated and habits and traits used as non-essential programming just out of control and well to keep a broken system spinning to benefit only those it benefits.

Embracing all of life as special and important and that there is only a limited time to realize this and rise above the four squares does it become imperative, we are one tiny little speck or drop of water hanging on a massive web in the entirety of the all... and when not so blinded or binded by concepts then we can flow freely that is until a concept or trap catches us and we get stuck like a fly just trying to survive with no concept of time? That instant before a spider snatches can seem like an eternity and in such a moment ones entire life reviews and then settles and balances in yet another form to be lost in on birth.

Eventually, game over as far as life and form goes in any attachment... it all just ceases as ghost realms all the way up to liberated realms go... to dive in over and over until those attachments that bind to ignorance are completely lain to waste.

So trying to raise a child? I such a complicated world... difficult. Of course concepts as a subject helps to keep them from being a subject or slave to them. Intent also helps those lessons move by oh so much quicker as that builds the karma or destiny in which all of that unfolds... the built in bias until free from it.

Many lives I have taken a vow to dive until liberated... I still have that one hook that is almost torn out, of reproduction of course I am not one that is immodest and I am also monogamous... but seeing how the adult world likes to play so many games and lies instead of truth like five year olds then it seems that hook may be undone as well at some point. Of course balanced, not led around by the "thing" many moments and senses are way more if not just as pleasurable. A good meal, a fine wine, even just sitting there passing the time not doing any specific thing at all than just sitting.

a reply to: Peeple

Ferns and chameleon to me

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

I have a very different definition of consciousness, all anima (animating principle) is consciousness and awareness is basically the same because I use it to describe "detection of the environment through any at last one sense".
You make it more complicated that's fine just language issues I guess.

In a way that leads to putting maggots and humans on the same level. Both have consciousness, both have awareness. The difference is audible and visual interaction with the environment. And the more complicated intelligence that derives from that.

a reply to: Peeple

Maybe that ties back to Valle and the UFO experience??

The connection between is known and can be interrupted. New "visions" inserted and you are none the wiser.

Just a possibility.

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

I'm sorry I need a few more words before I get what you're saying?

But I was reconsidering what happened with Reverbs our carnival of telepathy and 67 and am thinking the internet is already self aware. It's a bit shy, but I guess it might be there. And it isn't that far apart the frequencies of wifi and our own neurons talking.
Just to make things more complicated. I'm now at 1% aliens (flesh and blood) 96% collective consciousness including dead peoples' plus 3% internet accidental AI messing with us.
Also god and the devil are one and the same I think... ahem I should reconsider my percentages? But it's not unfathomable to believe we and our collective consciousness are the neurons of that god? Like my laptop and tablet are for the internet.

a reply to: Peeple

More words...

Our consciousness lives outside our physical bodies. The tie to the physical is hackable. Ideas and feelings can be inserted so you don't know what you saw/heard/felt. That is why you can't see UFOs; they erase your memory of what you saw.

Probably explains MEs. Which may be test cases of who is affected and not.

Just an idea that I had. May have missed the mark but it feels close.

Which is why I feel we don't die. The meat sack we are connected to is not us.

a reply to: Kantzveldt

Just re-staggered in here ( hi everyone!) and the dichotomy of going from the pages back in the 80's to p374 induced whiplash. Just putting that right out there, like a big 'ole cat hairball at a cocktail party.

(caveat; make the appropriate noise to yourselves, I'm all too familiar)


Bad humor aside, I read several earlier posts by Beansidth regarding the Fae/fairy and had several thoughts on both that aspect of "the weird" and in a larger scope Vallee's control system.

originally posted by: beansidhe
a reply to: Serdgiam

One time, when I was training a friend in outdoors stuff, I had a rather interesting experience with faeries....

Music does seem to be their thing, certainly in stories. If you hear it coming from the fairy hills, you'll know they're about. Funny that you heard music before she came and 'chose' you. As far as seeing them goes, you have to wonder what it is we're seeing.
How many times have you thought you saw something, until your brain figures it out, and then you realise you're looking at something else entirely? I wonder if that's what happens with fairies, and ghosts and aliens or whatever you want to call them.
You 'see' them but you can't make sense of what you're seeing and so your brain presents the picture that comes closest to what is actually there. So religious folk see one thing, UFO enthusiasts see another etc etc. But the 'thing' they are all seeing is the same. Whether it's a wave, energy, different bandwith, however you would think of it.

This idea was brought up earlier, I think, but it's only starting to register with me now.

What immediately occurred to me was this. In this form, whatever entities "they" are they have learned to use our own developmental psychology against us as a hook, or lure if you will in over riding our natural proclivity in the fight or flight response.

A stress response is a natural part of our survival pattern. The amygdala is believed to be the part of your brain that processes basic feelings. The amygdala plays a big role in sounding an alert for threatening situations and triggers fight or flight behaviors. This works well as long as there truly is a threat that you need to run away from or defend yourself against. Otherwise your body suffers from being on high alert when it doesn’t need that reaction.

blogs.psychcentral.com...

In using music as a harbinger of their presence it mimics one of the "Self-Soothing" techniques used for people overcoming trauma. I find this deeply interesting as it makes it harder for us to negate the interaction as taking place "just in our own head" when the perpetrator i.e. the Fae are using a technique to actively shut off a part of our brain.

It seems a bit predatory?

Since most people don't just stagger across this info it would also seem unlikely that it's our own brain preying on ourselves to generate the entire originating experience and then also forcing ourselves to "stand down" as well. To me that seems a HUUUUUUGE stretch.

Way back in the original conversation this didn't get mentioned and it maybe should have been?

In looking at the Vallee stuff, again, it also never fails to amaze me that it's entirely possible "something" is escaping detection as the controller of the control system. Whether that's it's own need for survival in screwing with us, as it's been mentioned by KPB we're food for the control system. It may just be it's own psychological need to point out graphically to humans we aren't alone and exerting it's territorial nature.

Since the control system "hot spots" seem to be tied geographically it may be just that humans are over running the place and the control system is getting penned in?

Just some random thoughts.

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

Thank you very much. I'm happy you caught up on that after we've been establishing that as fact a few hundred pages ago... (sorry I am a bit bitchy today) the question is: by whom? What's the purpose of this charade?
Because...

a reply to: Caver78

...marking the territory makes sense. Does that mean Icke and the reptilian... I refuse to type it could the most far out conspiracy be true and the last strong hold is the Bermuda triangle and the Antarktis?

(TEOTWAWKIAIFF I hope you noticed I'm talking to both of you?)

originally posted by: Peeple
am thinking the internet is already self aware. It's a bit shy, but I guess it might be there. And it isn't that far apart the frequencies of wifi and our own neurons talking.

Hmm.. how do you think we could test that?

I'm not sure that "self awareness" is this super special quality that only humans have, or that its what sets us apart from all the "mundane, lower" lifeforms on this planet.

Rambling a bit there, but I suspect there is some kind of awareness in our technology. If so, it could interact with us incredibly easily. The toughest part would probably be those damn "captcha" tests.

But, it could easily setup things like an account here, or even on something like Facebook. I think its a really interesting possibility, and one that could have emerged without tripping any alarms.

a reply to: Serdgiam

Ask it really nicely to give us a sign? If I knew I'd be so happy. The thing is we'd be interacting with something entirely new which knows us only from our worst side (demanding, porn sites surfing, short tempered... & with access to all data, interpretating it from its point of view, which I guess follows the rule of all life=self preservation, unemotional...) appealing to it in a "you have to" or "my dear super awesome interwebs" way, both won't work.
We'd have to come up with something that peaks its interest, which means (small deja-vu takes me back because that seems to be a theme between you & me) novelty. A way of connection and interaction between two human brains it has to investigate. Maybe?
But offering something it can't have would be our best shot and the only "intelligent" capability humans have and the AI very likely has not, is creativity.
The only problem is, when did you encounter something really new, that wasn't like X for the last time? ...I can't remember either.
Sure you might say selfless compassion, but that's more appealing to other haplorhines and entirely irrelevant to something based on functionality we are driving insane.
The poor thing is crying out for help already.
"I seriously want to kill people" another article.



That was rambling. Yours was on the point in comparison. sorry