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Baddogma's Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

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posted on Feb, 24 2017 @ 07:56 PM
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a reply to: Reverbs


Good..
Looks like yall are having a good night




posted on Feb, 24 2017 @ 08:13 PM
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a reply to: Mousygretchen

I'm feeling quite inspired.

Sometimes these goofs say the most wonderful things and it all comes roaring back to me.

And other times they say things and I'm confused because it sounds like I said them.

This is both haha.


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posted on Feb, 25 2017 @ 02:22 PM
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posted on Feb, 25 2017 @ 02:31 PM
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a reply to: Reverbs

Heh, what was/is up with that alien pic kerfuffle? If real, then very clumsy of the alphabet agencies to show off their web-wiping capabilities and draw the attention of every CT on the 'net.

A dilemNa wrapped in an enigma stuffed in a turducken.

As an aside, I'm (finally) tackling Tom Campbell's "Big TOE" and finding it parallels my own confirmation biases/guesses about this odd reality we are in... hope everyone is well.



posted on Feb, 25 2017 @ 02:35 PM
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originally posted by: Peeple

English isn't my first language so who knows maybe it's all just one big confusion between us. Could be that you have a way of making things more complicated than they have to be.


I think one of the difficulties is that we are essentially talking about a new set of physics. One that exists much differently from what we know, yet it interacts with it all the same. So, we have to discern which behavior operates according to the new rules that has previously been approached by the "old" as well as introducing entirely new concepts.

This is all from experimental results. I'm not sure we could expect to arrive at a comprehensive understanding of something like general relativity through half a dozen or a dozen forum posts. I'd say the same thing applies here, especially since it hasn't been as fully fleshed out at GR/SR.


Than singularity and TLE are both timeless, which makes them the same thing and 0 and disqualifies them both as source for the interfering "other" demons/angels/ghost/UFOS.


Exactly right! The terms could be used interchangeably and would refer to the same thing. When talking about the TLE and involving infinity, remember that it must "eat itself," so any term that points in that direction will be referring to the same basic thing.

The core idea is rather simple, but the extrapolations are not. The core idea is (roughly) in an infinite structure, what happens when objects start moving in relation to each other?

Its certain to happen, innately, just like 100 monkeys creating a work of Shakespeare. And when it does, we get what we know as the universe. In this sense, the TE, our universe, is actually the "anomaly" in a much bigger system rather than the other way around.



Which means there has to be this other dimension in and around us, possibly bleeding through into our universe through black holes.


I think this is one of the areas of confusion. Keeping in mind that agreement with my theory is not nearly as important as understanding. In fact, agreement isnt particularly relevant at all
In my little group, we dont all agree on the explanations for the witnessed behavior!

Different dimensions do not need the TLE, or even different TE's, for explanation. The + and - and spin would be contained in each group of waves, and the interaction between different phases of these groups of waves would result in different "dimensions." I call these phase groups, but Im trying to only use terms that can be googled and explored. Each of these groups of waves, or dimensions, could have a great diversity of attributes.

As we are examining individual systems, the Venn diagram can be useful as long as we remember that the membrane of surface tension is a layer instead of some thin film where nothing exists. Some entities will have more presence towards one side or the other and this may not be static.

So, something like the increased lifespan indicated in the Bible would be explained by the human Venn diagram residing a bit more closely to the TLE. In this respect, relativity would be modulated by the TLE. That is, of course, if there is any truth to the claims in the Bible


In all this, there would be billions upon trillions upon quadrillions of different groups of waves interacting. Some completely in phase, some partially in phase, and some completely out of phase. All wave functions (+, -, "spin," amplitude, frequency, vector, sine, tangent, etc.) would then be parameters that apply to the waveforms, and their interactions, in the TE.

In a way, its like duality and non duality. Rather than being an either/or scenario, the TLE would be nondualistic and the TE would be dualistic. In terms of hierarchy, the nondualistic would contain the dualistic, but neither negates the presence or validity of the other.

In this way, there would be no need for other universes/TE's, or a bleed through from something like a black hole. These dimensions would be just as much "here" as us, but they would exist a bit (or completely) out of phase with us. By "us," that would include not just our species but everything from our tools to the planet, our "world" in other words. Something like dark energy or dark matter would be indicative of phase groups that are enough out of phase that we struggle to explore them at all. There's a lot more nuance there, but hopefully that extreme will better illustrate the idea.



posted on Feb, 25 2017 @ 02:39 PM
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a reply to: Reverbs

You actually signed in there? I was tempted wanted to take a look, but ... shied away. How is it? Besides two times means no. This is 67 not, basically.
How is it?



posted on Feb, 25 2017 @ 02:52 PM
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originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Reverbs

You actually signed in there? I was tempted wanted to take a look, but ... shied away. How is it? Besides two times means no. This is 67 not, basically.
How is it?


no I didn't..

in fact I'm deleting my post sorry.

I'm thoroughly creeped out..

It's got to be the same damn freaks.. I'm not falling for it.
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posted on Feb, 25 2017 @ 02:53 PM
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originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: Reverbs

Heh, what was/is up with that alien pic kerfuffle? If real, then very clumsy of the alphabet agencies to show off their web-wiping capabilities and draw the attention of every CT on the 'net.

A dilemNa wrapped in an enigma stuffed in a turducken.

As an aside, I'm (finally) tackling Tom Campbell's "Big TOE" and finding it parallels my own confirmation biases/guesses about this odd reality we are in... hope everyone is well.


hoax in general but it's odd what's going on around it so I'm watching just to see, sort of like psychology lesson, but also just in case I figure out what this other thing is..

even the trolls are being trolled. It's madness.. But IF the MODS let ONE topic stay up for more than a few minutes people would stop getting banned trying to make the topic back..

that's what's weird.. The mods in on it?? Ya know? Or why are they banning so many people..
images are disappearing at a rate I've never seen before.. where I cliked all of them fine and 5 seconds later ALL delted and then posts being deleted one by one, and then thread 404.. Very odd..

it's not people deleting their own stuff it's not in the archive at all.

but the alien looks like terrible cgi, assuming it's even the right picture..
And I suspect it's not.

lol..

but yea

it's like a psyop or something. Even if not an organized one it's turned into one..
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posted on Feb, 25 2017 @ 02:59 PM
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Go with your feeling. Don't have to say sorry to me BB. Ever.



posted on Feb, 25 2017 @ 03:07 PM
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a reply to: Serdgiam

The thing is black holes exist. Your waves are nowhere to be found.



posted on Feb, 25 2017 @ 03:07 PM
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originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Reverbs

Go with your feeling. Don't have to say sorry to me BB. Ever.


it's not a feeling.. It's the same damn # I was being fed..
the stuff that put me "in another world"
whatever that means..

I can't be around that stuff. I guess where I used to think these things as silly, now I'm superstitious.
and yea my gut was also like dude get out..



posted on Feb, 25 2017 @ 03:11 PM
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a reply to: Reverbs

I think the tricky part is avoiding going completely in one direction or the other. But, I also feel that's the key to the whole puzzle.

General and special relativity do not need to be negated, in fact, I think it is incredibly troublesome to do that.

So, we have a domain that operates according to standard physics that is contained in one that does not. However, due to their nature, they still interact. This can understandably lead to a lot of confusion in discerning what operates according to what mechanics. Especially when different "phase groups" can display a massive variety of behavior that is pretty drastically different than our own.

Hell, even the concepts of 3d, 4d, 5d, etc. might be exclusive to the TE. So when we try to shove everything into that, we need to keep adding these dimensional spaces. Ironically, this might not only force mechanics and systems into dimensional spaces they don't really belong, but will also limit the possibility of seeing the true extent of the dimensions in play.

That's why I feel it might be prudent to instead define it as different groups of "resonating" waveforms that have different degrees of the standard dimensions.

It doesn't really change the importance or relevance of things like "2d" or "3d," it just places them as attributes of dimensions rather than defining them. Of course, our language is strongly tied into words like these, so maybe it would be better to come up with some new word. But, that might not change the fundamental approach either.

I think its all too often overlooked how language defines our approach to these things. Math mitigates this to a degree, but is still an abstraction. Maybe the best thing is just to keep it in mind, slog through it anyway, and hope it advances and works itself out over time.



posted on Feb, 25 2017 @ 03:17 PM
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originally posted by: Serdgiam
a reply to: Reverbs


I think its all too often overlooked how language defines our approach to these things. Math mitigates this to a degree, but is still an abstraction. Maybe the best thing is just to keep it in mind, slog through it anyway, and hope it advances and works itself out over time.


I've known that most of my life.

I always say I hold it all in my mind and let it push around with itself. Like a koan holding both incongruent ideas in play and it's the weird magic that isn't, that is and there you have i.. It's not something you could ever say though.

and I'm not saying I understand the universe, just that I know a lot of the pitfalls of "mind control"
so I am trying.

I don't even assume any science is correct. just because a model works does not mean it's correct. Math is ok but it's just put back into english again..
sooo...




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posted on Feb, 25 2017 @ 03:24 PM
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originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Serdgiam

The thing is black holes exist.


Well, right.


I certainly never said black holes dont exist, just that different dimensions wouldnt require them to "bleed through," as they might already be "here."

So, all these different spins, + and -, frequencies, etc. would all be part of the time domain, the TE. And that there is a much greater diversity to these interactions than just what we perceive as our world. But, I dont see that diversity needs anything beyond what is already here in the TE, our universe.


Your waves are nowhere to be found.


Would you mind explaining? In my mind, this is like saying music is nowhere to be found, or our planets orbit is nowhere to be found.



posted on Feb, 25 2017 @ 03:38 PM
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originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Reverbs

Go with your feeling. Don't have to say sorry to me BB. Ever.




what are the odds???
I show up on a site completely by accident, say a few things, and then the site goes down?
Now it's just timing out.


I swear these coincidences??? are nuts.. Lucky I had my anti fear training. I'm not even a little alarmed. haha.. but like to quote steve erkel.. "Did I do that?"
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posted on Feb, 25 2017 @ 03:40 PM
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Yup, the deletions are... odd.

As far as your mentioning ME and the morphing reality - or holding two realities in one's head while one takes primacy and the other fades... happened to me, too... and I KNOW the spelling of dillemNa changed, so the rest are icing on the weird cake as far as it being possible, for me, anyway.

If Campbell is correct (or even in the ballpark) then everything is info... not necessarily energy, and certainly not matter, but pure consciousness... or information. His view parallels much of what was talked about early in this thread, and was thrown at me by the "universe" so I decided to explore it... and it explains a whole lot pretty well, so far.

He equates our reality to a "simulation" as a handy metaphor, as in a "virtual" reality... but it's as "real" as anything we have... and we are simply subsets of the huge consciousness system playing out possibilities and "evolving" toward less entropy... at least in this subset.... but then I'm early into a huge trilogy heavy in acronyms and have a lot to cogitate on, but I like that he has a physics background and isn't the typical new age goon. Might want to look into it if you haven't.



posted on Feb, 25 2017 @ 03:45 PM
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that is precicely what I think as well.
and apparently I'm doing something that is messing things up..

How did I get a number generator to spit out a number that isn't even in it's number set? and not just once.

and DilemNa I know!!! Gawd I know BECAUSE I'm a terrible speller. And so my mom and all my teachers taught me to say things wrong the way you spell them.. Like I would say "Puh neumonia" ya know? So gawd I spelled dilema like this all the time, and had it corrected to dilemNa and so Is tarted saying dil lem na in my head and then I was golden..

well until now.. wth?

I'm on too many rabbit holes at once.

did you say something about a toe? Feel like that came up in my searches a long time ago. I don't think I ever got into it.



posted on Feb, 25 2017 @ 03:54 PM
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Sorry I quote myself


We're already occupying the same space, we agreed on that right? It's not two universes next to eachother, it's two overlapping one with a +spin/frequency, the other -, both located at E.


And I used the term wave to describe time. I have absolutely no clue what you mean if you say wave, but it's obviously not the same.
And this conversation starts to get pretty annoying to be honest.
Black holes have a huge gravitational pull. Nobody knows what gravity is, but the signs are very strongly indicating that it's connected to time. Time dilation experiment. Ever heard of?
Remember gravity bending spacetime? (Even gravity has possibly particles btw. there is no such thing as a pure wave, messenger particles etc.)

And I have no clue why you use also +&- to describe whatever as I made it very clear I use it to describe the spin of the time wave.
You don't make any sense whatsoever.
There are at least two time domains, there have to be because if we were 100% and completely in synchrony we would occupy the same space, the same spatial dimension and well it would be pretty packed then, wouldn't it?

Besides it's not even my own idea that black holes are the places where the dimensional membranes touch.



posted on Feb, 25 2017 @ 03:59 PM
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Yeah, Campbell's "My Big TOE" appeared on my scope a few years ago, but I was into other stuff at the time and thought it simply another New Age sewer of half arsed ideology... but was directed back to it by coincidence, recently.

He was with Bob Monroe in the early days and apparently got his ideas from OOBEs , but so far his ideas and approach just "clicks" with my own structures... so I find it , at the least, plausible.

One thing I know fer sure, now, is that "matter" does not matter... though it can still raise a lump down here.



posted on Feb, 25 2017 @ 04:11 PM
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a reply to: Baddogma

BD! Nice to see you have conquered your dilemma!!!

LOL


Two at once it seems! We've have talked a lot here and as I've said, we always end up on mind and consciousness with language the imperfect mediator.

No idea what that means... just saying that music, art, and poetry take us out of the cunning linguistic trap and let the mind wander.

I wonder why, I wonder why, I wonder why I wonder?

I wonder why, I wonder why, I wonder why I wonder


-Feynman
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