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Baddogma's Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

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posted on Feb, 15 2017 @ 12:25 PM
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a reply to: Reverbs

Hold onto your butt...

It was not a hollowed out bible that the disk was in. It was Jaan Baudrillard's Simulacra and Simulation (Wikipedia), that he retrieved the disk from.

The work is a post modern classic. It is about society, symbols and the nature of reality. The idea being, if we are in a simulation it because we have replaced meaning with symbols that intrinsically have no meaning. Basically, we already live in a simulation via symbolism. In postmodernism, the term "subject" is a touchstone to show the duality of Baudrillard; "subject of" and "subject to" at the same time. You are part of it and also it is playing you. The white rabbit is a symbol too! Read the Wikipedia entry for some in depth thoughts. Go down the rabbit hole and read the book itself (it is a philosophical treatise which means it is responding to other philosophical works. A sentence about another work may have an accordion (wth? I thought it ended "ian"?!!) of meaning that you might miss if your not read in the subject matter).

Later when Morpheus says, "Welcome to the desert of the real" he is quoting from that book!




posted on Feb, 15 2017 @ 12:52 PM
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a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

She is Viszla. And already gone again.

And you know me, working on it.



posted on Feb, 15 2017 @ 12:53 PM
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a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

Oh now I see it! Sorry I can be a bit slow sometimes.


I always was and still am a huge sucker for symbols. But verbal, symbolic nonsense like "happiness", and alike just annoy me.
Which is weird because I really love language?

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posted on Feb, 15 2017 @ 12:55 PM
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a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

Well damn.. Hold on to my butt indeed..
That's so perfect.

that makes my point even better. His hacking materials are inside that book.


So the meaning now becomes based on your description..

"Hacking society symbols and the nature of reality."




that was such a big hint thank you.

dude when morpheus says "welcome to the desert of the real" the camera does this movement.. the movement is one I've done outside of body and when it finished you are in the desert of the real. I hope it actually means in that book what it always meant for me. well I've sometimes felt that "desert" all the symbolism is gone, there is no I and you.. there is nothing happening. It's a damn desert with no meaning. but it's real..

it has a similar fear factor about it as death or hell. Definitely not comfortable if you start thinking like that. Makes you think.. I'll stay on the ride for now please..

the in the last movie what happens? Neo "saves the day" only to put everyone right back into another matrix.
I can' remember that's either the 6th world or the 7th world. A new heaven and a new earth are easy concepts to fit into a simulation if you think about it.

So my whole life has had this double nagging system to it. My nagging feelings are complete opposites. One is to live a normal life, forget all the other stuff.. That life "has a future" to quote the matrix, the other does not.. The other nag is to figure it out cut through the edge.. And every time I do cut through I'm like ahh no no no stop what if you break it or get out and you're all alone?! What if you're not supposed to know? What if when someone figures it out? that's just the timing for "god" to have to makes the next sandbox? Live a normal life man this # is fun... But but but.. somethings not quite right.. I need to figure it out.. Somethings wrong with the world.


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posted on Feb, 15 2017 @ 01:11 PM
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originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

Oh now I see it! Sorry I can be a bit slow sometimes.


I always was and still am a huge sucker for symbols. But verbal, symbolic nonsense like "happiness", and alike just annoy me.
Which is weird because I really love language?


the word happiness annoys you? You're not about to tell me it's a silly word because it has no meaning are you?
I'm truly balls deep in happiness like 99% of the time.

Funny because I hate language, in the same vain as what TeoT was saying about that book. And why I keep trying to confuse it so that it's not the words that you get from me, at some point with enough angles it's just a direct shared knowing.

Do you also not like more specific words like gratitude?

is your favorite character "the merovingian" (The Frenchmen) ?

His wife wants passion and love.. But those are silly words.. IT's ALL cause and effect.

but anyway my point with these last posts are that my synchronicity is what cuts through the simulation levels.

back to that book again.. (which I must read) I won't need the other philosophers as this is something I've been working on all my life I bet.
"Simulacra are copies that depict things that either had no original to begin with, or that no longer have an original"
the most annoying thing my ex said to me was that.. "We can rebuild this at any time exactly like it is if we want.." (the universe)
With what she did I believe her.. LOL

but anyway I JUST WOKE UP had to kill a man who was hiding in my closet.. put the body in my shower upstairs I have a shower upstairs just at the top of the stairs and those stairs are right after coming in the front door.. so when you walk in you see a shower curtain.. IT's not in a bathroom or anything.. Of all places to dump a body.. I was coming back after I scouted around but..

there were cops all over the place so I was like damn go back inside. Inside my friend who is a cop is already psychologically testing me.. It's one of those edgar allen poe moments with the heart beat coming through the floor boards. The quilt was going to get me at some point.

I love waking up to a reality where I'm not going to jail for the rest of my life.. Ahh now THAT is freedom.



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posted on Feb, 15 2017 @ 01:39 PM
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a reply to: Reverbs

No, it just describes something so subjective it's basically meaningless. My "happiness", as in fulfilment of my wishes, would be a total nightmare. What you call happiness, I would call a positive attitude.
So there three happiness and no idea what we are talking about.

And I know TEOTWAWKIAIFF is really good. He did it to me too a few times. Always good. Best clue giver ever.



posted on Feb, 15 2017 @ 04:33 PM
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a reply to: Peeple

Clue giver? Nah, just well read. I've got a bookshelf full of crazy, random, funny, dumb, interesting, confusing, out there *flutters hand* stuff, alongside the books needed for schooling: English lit, philosophy, comp sci, philosophy, and music.

Cognitive science is what AI was and that crosses over to philosophy of mind. Those ideas and the pondering of "what is consciousness" so you can make an electronic version is what drew me to the topic. But it was self exploration (reading, T&C we cannot discuss, becoming a vegetarian for nearly a year, the rush of snowboarding down huge mountains, spacing out while playing guitar, and having full on woo experiences) that kind of leads me everywhere. Being well versed in many topics comes in handy! Being forced to read all types of literature reinforces my Buddha-calmness which battles my personal frustration at people that are not even trying. *rolls eyes*

I forget that not everybody has read books on nuclear fusion or the history of philosophy. Or is current with Slavoj Zizek and Dilbert! I'll take "hint giver" though!

Even with all that I still get things wrong! I am only light having a human experience (maybe or maybe not in a simulation) after all!



posted on Feb, 15 2017 @ 04:44 PM
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originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Reverbs

No, it just describes something so subjective it's basically meaningless. My "happiness", as in fulfilment of my wishes, would be a total nightmare. What you call happiness, I would call a positive attitude.
So there three happiness and no idea what we are talking about.

And I know TEOTWAWKIAIFF is really good. He did it to me too a few times. Always good. Best clue giver ever.


oh ok.

and yea that was perfect. Now I have a movie night planned with my new found angles. And a new book to read.


@teot.. Lol experience.. I love how the "programs" in the matrix talk. They don't want to be deleted either.. They must have purpose. Their duty.. Darma. The dad is not resentful of "what he must do" it comes with gifts like his beautiful wife and daughter.

Of course when you're talking to computer programs in a never ever land between dimensions, you're probably having a rough day. Can't get back without paying the train man.. Smuggles you in.. Maybe like the ferry boat in the river styx? Sometimes I feel like I was smuggled in here. Like I don't belong, and I'm messing up the algorithms..



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posted on Feb, 15 2017 @ 05:14 PM
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a reply to: Reverbs

I can explain the universe to you over on this thread.




posted on Feb, 15 2017 @ 05:26 PM
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a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

Lol you goose.


have you seen the windows xp version?

"Ubuntu? I'm going to Learn ubunu?"

Oracle "Hope you have cookies enabled."

" we all know windows is going to crash, the only question is do you send the error report or NOT send the error report? And what's really going to bake your noodle.. Does it make a difference?"



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posted on Feb, 15 2017 @ 08:06 PM
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a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

That book is perfect. Well just did my random skim test..



here the
scandal effect hiding that there is no difference between the facts and their denunciation
(identical methods on the part of the CIA and of the Washington Post journalists)


Taken out of context.. I didn't read enough o know the context. I have to learn how this person uses language. OR see what he is calling MY concepts haha..


but no this was written in French in 1981.
umm it's funny that the guy who runs the washington post and Amazon just did a deal with the CIA for 600 million. So I found the above quote amusing.

short read I might just go through all of it tomorrow.. And yea.. actually.. That's what I'll do go through that tomorrow and right into the matrix movie..

and some wine.

Simualcra and simulation pdf

These are three books the wachowski brothers made Keanu read before playing his role..

Out of Control
Paperback: 521 pages
Written by Kevin Kelly

Simulacra and Simulation
Paperback: 164 pages
Written by Jean Baudrillard
Translated by Sheila Glaser

Introducing Evolutionary Psychology
Paperback: 176 pages, illustrations
Written by Dylan Evans
Illustrated by Oscar Zarate


This is why I write my notes online... Someone always comes along with something I missed.

Just saw a keanu interview and the guys asks if he's ever freaked people out saying the matrix is real? And he's like no no, but I have had that real discusion of is the matrix real with a lot of people..

So is it real?

Neo: It's one of those things.. It's real-adjacent.

hahahaha oh that's too good.



uh Keanu Reeves played bass in a band called Dog Star? My matrix is falling apart again..




omg haha

If you guys don't stop the overlapping rabbit holes my mind is going to melt!


einstein said something about losing your pants..

I thought that was an analogy.
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posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 01:57 AM
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a reply to: Serdgiam

I'm patiently waiting for those doggy pictures.


And I would have said, I hope it happens today, now, go go paradigm shift!
The problem with ufology, paranormal investigation, spiritual pursuit is, it's as if only the patients are researching their own infection. It seriously baffles me, how the official standpoint can still be it doesn't exist.
And I could be wrong, but as you said if we're dealing with whole eco-systems... no wonder it's so inconsistent.

And I was thinking maybe demons are just test-holograms to see how you react to the very different appearance and behaviour of a "other"?



posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 02:26 AM
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originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Serdgiam

I'm patiently waiting for those doggy pictures.


And I would have said, I hope it happens today, now, go go paradigm shift!
The problem with ufology, paranormal investigation, spiritual pursuit is, it's as if only the patients are researching their own infection. It seriously baffles me, how the official standpoint can still be it doesn't exist.
And I could be wrong, but as you said if we're dealing with whole eco-systems... no wonder it's so inconsistent.

And I was thinking maybe demons are just test-holograms to see how you react to the very different appearance and behaviour of a "other"?


Well....

Demons have been on my ass since I was 3 or 4 years old. You'd think they would have had something better to do.

It only shows a sign of weakens and a battle going on like a crazy ex that won't let it go.



Here is some graffiti in my hood...

I took this picture walking home the other night,

Some youngsters put dead tree pieces in a fence.














Evergreen branches on a random fence that truly does nothing as that fence is so one sided,,





LOVE you guys.

Each and every one of you guys has shown me love and it's only grown our collective understanding.
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posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 02:37 AM
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...and as a result, I believe I remember you wrote once, now you wouldn't be terrorfied anymore if one would show up? Generation contact. Maybe.

And what does the "It only shows a sign of..." sentence mean? I don't understand.

Also I am mad at love, super angry. How funny is that? Childish and stupid. Get over it and things. That's what I hope rubbs off of you a bit, your agape. I love how you love



posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 02:53 AM
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I would not be surprised if "aliens": showed up and picked me to talk to.

haha. I do love always now.. That is my new factory setting. Of course I became the author and publisher of my own life.

BREAK.

You are not childish and stupid.
Something was there and then it was not there.
How could I ever in my right mind judge you for that? Or even forecast your future?
You know.. I do not.

I have the abridged version. It sort of reads... Peeple, is good people.
the end.

the sentence I worte that starts.. "It only shows a weakness," was devoted to my demons.

They know their place now.
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posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 03:13 AM
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I'm funny. Even if only I and one other person seem to feel that way. Funny.

a reply to: Reverbs

Demons ltbd? And thank you. One of those construction sites. Love without aim. But I feel like I will get there once the rest of this fixation(?) has burned out.
I mean I can almost explain now why it has to be the way it is.
And I will over and over give up every bit of ego cravings to sound the bell for Revelation.
Usher in the end of the world for idiots and a wonderful new era for those who understand.
What is any pursuit of this ghost "happiness" in comparison worth? Nothing.


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What if you I and the other participants of this absurd mind game theatre are in a riddle scavenger hunt. Who gets the correct answers first, wins to become embassador for extraterrestrial affairs.
More than just a job.
Don't worry I'll make you my right hand


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And TEOTWAWKIAIFF minister of inspiration.

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posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 03:18 AM
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I don't "see" pictures. I dream in vivid technicolour. As soon as I close my eyes to sleep I get a slide show, picture imposed upon picture, but seldom anything that I can identify, just a total mash-up. If I am asked to "picture" something or someone, I can't. Since realising that when other people are asked to picture something, they can, I have been trying to identify others who can't picture things and am yet to do so. I haven't seen my Dad since then, but I am kind of holding out that he may have the same thing. Anyway, that is why I never know how my paintings and pictures are going to turn out. I still prefer writing, but painting allows me to "picture" concisely a general outline of what I intend writing about. Each picture being a story within a story.

Women were not so much persecuted as a whole, as they were easily targeted in persecution because of their vulnerability relative to their male counterparts. If you look at the witch and heresy trials of the Middle Ages, case by case, it becomes clear that, much like the persecutions at that time against the Jews and Conversos, that the accusations usually follow a motive of material gain. The only real exception being the organised attacks by the Church against mid-wives, an almost exclusively female profession who the church, because of the secretive nature of the birthing room and the tradition of "anointing" the baby, the clergy felt they were a threat to their spiritual hegemony. Otherwise, men and women were as likely to be practising traditional crafts and to get accused, but the charges were more likely to stick against a woman who had no male protectors, and since being a lone woman was enough to incite suspicion and more importantly gossip and resentment, the odds just weren't stacked in her favour. In short, the greatest danger to those women who were found guilty of witchcraft, were the sharp tongues of their female neighbours, not the church, and not "men".



posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 03:20 AM
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originally posted by: Reverbs
These are three books the wachowski brothers made Keanu read before playing his role..



Ahhh...Keanu, bless him, so beautiful and yet so utterly wooden...I think it is noteworthy that the Wachowski's are now sisters...I think that sheds a little light on their particular interpretation on "reality".





posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 03:34 AM
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originally posted by: Anaana

originally posted by: Reverbs
These are three books the wachowski brothers made Keanu read before playing his role..



Ahhh...Keanu, bless him, so beautiful and yet so utterly wooden...I think it is noteworthy that the Wachowski's are now sisters...I think that sheds a little light on their particular interpretation on "reality".




I have not met a girl who doesn't think he's hot as #.

One brother became a sister.. And then they are now sisters.

I find that very interesting.

I tried to become gay just to see if I could.It didn't work.. I am very empathetic to the point anyone else might die from it.

I'm just a straight dude who loves girl things. A LOT.

Anyway Where other people see wooden I might see humble.

To each their own.

I hope you are not judging people for finding a new reality they like.

All I got was that I found manly guys attractive.. I was watching gay porn and starring at asses.. I went all in except for going in.. I did find out that my guy would be a matthew Mcconaughey type guy..

Other than that I'm still attracted to girls and I better see what certain types of girls see.


In other words I care about messages not messengers.

I've done my homework putting myself in other people's shoes. And I will keep doing that. My perspective is so limited unless I engage other people and look through their eyes.
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posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 03:43 AM
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Full blown Utopia:

We get technology solving all energy problems, making us almost resources independent.
Of course they want something in exchange. What are we really good at?
Fighting adapting innovation. Short we're perfect civilisation seeds. Settlements in a possible hostile, or at least wild environment.
That's the deal.

Sure there is an increasing number who are... nerds, or say top-heavy. They don't have to go. Who wants to, can apply. But first settlements are a physical adventure.
And we still have to face poverty, the environment issues we caused, explore justice and it's benefits for society more in depth, abolish immunity, no more secrets, since it's absurd the aliens would tell everybody everything anyways...
Global cooperation. Content centered democracy, with much more power to the people.

Gawd that just would be so.... orgasmic-awesome.

And this time if they came to pick a few of us up, we wouldn't have to invent stories. Star people style. As simple as that.

And the rest can also be aptly described as "nature spirits".
It might be not that complicated after all...
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