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Baddogma's Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

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posted on Feb, 3 2017 @ 06:45 PM
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a reply to: Reverbs


You're a goofball




posted on Feb, 3 2017 @ 07:02 PM
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originally posted by: Mousygretchen
a reply to: Reverbs


You're a goofball




hahahaha

I really am.

Love it!




Better to be a goofball than a sourpuss


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posted on Feb, 3 2017 @ 08:16 PM
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a reply to: Peeple

I just woke up and had this drop into my lap out of no where...

White powerade "cherry" flavored

Nothing like white power having some "aid" and well "cherry" refers to virginity...

Kinda like the movie: They Live

But a little more blatant... I wonder what kinda chemicals they put in there? Hmm I wonder if people online were tied to their products they could be tailored to get their "secret doses" and then subliminally targeted like profiling to get their dose of white power and their virgin cherry or young white girls in order to keep that dre... err I definitely mean nightmare alive. But hey there's a psychological side effect in the South... racist daddy? Daughter reverse psychologies in her teens and rub the unsold "Black Powerade" of licorice stick all in his face.

If it wasn't so a typical... it would be hard to fathom; humans are so very psychologically simple, that it is trope like itself and then triggering them with cultural memes such as the above.

Hey it is ATS right? Plus I have had more than enough of politics pitting everyone against each other, as seen above.

Edit: Oh the answer? That's 42nd hexigram of the I-Ching... the ancient Chinese version of the illuminati cards

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posted on Feb, 3 2017 @ 09:19 PM
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beach I KNOW ur not calling me a sno flake < 3

"peace" the snowflake..aww it brings up fond memories of the star on my childhood Christmas tree < 3

the "peace" snowflake is me.. a thousand diamonds falling from the sky very beautiful in unity.





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posted on Feb, 3 2017 @ 09:54 PM
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a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness


Ehh... I am peering into an intricately woven web of metaphors...break it down for me? Please.



posted on Feb, 3 2017 @ 11:58 PM
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originally posted by: Anaana

originally posted by: Peeple
We have a long history in exploring and working with magic, but it doesn't seem efficient, does it?
Is it a problem of details, or did we not understand sthg very basic?



Sorry to pull you back to here, but the conversation moves substantially quicker than I am able to follow most of the time, so I find myself going back and forth...out of curiousity, which systems of magic have you tried?

I picked up Eliphas Levi's Transcendental Magic in Oxfam yesterday, as well as Lenin's treatise on Imperialism. I prefer the latter.



That's totally fine with me. I strongly believe, we are that many as we are for a reason, it's a very facetted challenge we face, so we should split up and follow our interests no matter how "far apart" from others it is. It's all so specialised, yet we need the essences of all of it and then the connections we can make to others who specialise in different things and their essences and then.... but now: quick in one generation. My idea would be price regulation through public vote. Very difficult, right? That would obviously go wrong. So....

When I grew up magic was just there. Card reading friends from my mother, my mother herself, a "druidic" taste a bit. Celestine part of my early books. I don't know if that's meant for children? One of her best friends talks to angels. My grandma is very catholic. So the "esoteric idea" is something never really questioned.
Just making sh1t up as I go, describes it best, with every new piece of knowledge I find and want to integrate in my canon.



posted on Feb, 3 2017 @ 11:59 PM
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a reply to: Mousygretchen

I don't know how what was said could be any simpler?

But there are topics to address such things.

Programming, control, human behavior, running scripts, tropes, psychologically based triggers from all of that, for control from that programming, it is done with memes, stereotypes, profiling, statistics, cookies, sociologically and psychologically embedded in the subconscious, in that trance like state that occurs at different wave lengths and frequencies to program... to resonate in the ear crystal in the mind crystal so that it pervades the mind/body complex. Such a thing is pavlovian, to make the eye salivate, the ear salivate, the nose salivate, the mouth salivate, on contact or touch to salivate and crave, desire, want but yet do not need at the ring of it's bell.

Waking up is simply taking control, so none of that programming has any effect... very very difficult a task; hardest one in all of life to master. Resolve to do that, well that must be the firmest and most flexible to block or dodge any attack to force one into such a thing... or even react to it; of course most are just blindly ignorant to begin with; glance and see the oh snap more than meets the eye(transformers anyone?) see... there was a simple phrase taken but if I didn't point it out? Subconscious trigger. Great for the franchise that owns them... but what do you get out of it? In triggering or consuming? Triggering unaware? None... aware? Well, don't ask me... I just see how it all works.

All of these concepts of words; have triggers... a chemical response to their resonance when thinking them in the mind... that vibrate those crystals around, producing a wavelength on their own.

This is why I took a vow of silence, and speak ONLY when making a transaction or in the mood for it... guess how many words have audibly came out of my mouth to another human being in the last month? Less than 20. Would have been zero... but someone that has been asked time and time and time again? I look every single day, leave any of my mail in the chair outside. But still bang bang bang blah blah blah when I would prefer they just



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posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 12:11 AM
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a reply to: Mousygretchen

Jesus spoke in parables because nobody would believe the truth. Language is our stumbling block. So the metaphor is to assuage the fear.

Language was tagged by me a while ago in this thread. The clunky nature seems a point of interest where we interact.

Dying so got to leave (sneeze attack)...



posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 12:11 AM
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originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
a reply to: Peeple

I just woke up and had this drop into my lap out of no where...

White powerade "cherry" flavored

Nothing like white power having some "aid" and well "cherry" refers to virginity...

Kinda like the movie: They Live

But a little more blatant... I wonder what kinda chemicals they put in there? Hmm I wonder if people online were tied to their products they could be tailored to get their "secret doses" and then subliminally targeted like profiling to get their dose of white power and their virgin cherry or young white girls in order to keep that dre... err I definitely mean nightmare alive. But hey there's a psychological side effect in the South... racist daddy? Daughter reverse psychologies in her teens and rub the unsold "Black Powerade" of licorice stick all in his face.

If it wasn't so a typical... it would be hard to fathom; humans are so very psychologically simple, that it is trope like itself and then triggering them with cultural memes such as the above.

Hey it is ATS right? Plus I have had more than enough of politics pitting everyone against each other, as seen above.

Edit: Oh the answer? That's 42nd hexigram of the I-Ching... the ancient Chinese version of the illuminati cards


Doesn't that make you wonder where it's all coming from? Is it social environment? Or are some people "born racist"?
If you got a herd of brown horses and you introduce one white, that poor sucker will go through a hard time before and if he gets accepted.
Bad horses?
Or is racism a natural instinct all around the globe? And you need to grow up in a herd where the white horse is a natural emancipated part of all horsey group activities, to not think "different possible danger"?



posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 12:24 AM
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a reply to: Peeple

I only know of one type of "race" horse... it goes round and round too, but no one wins unless hedging their interests or bets on them in the same manner as it is when people are made into metaphorical "horses" one trick pony? Meh.

Animals are only species adverse; from food a resource competition... same as humanity; but yet we are in the very same species. Seems kinda counter to the point with out all that resource hogging, one trick ponies, and hedge funding ones bets eh?

Guess how many times I was told hey hey hey f-em all if they are that damned dumb screw em, cash in on them, rape them just the same ala a fool and their money are soon parted... they choose ignorance so give them the cake they want shoved into their mouths until they starve in their own chosen state or poison they pick... but I know they don't pick it; but are programmed and triggered to pick it.

So I find the entire thing unethical.



posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 12:42 AM
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a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

Concerning numbers and numerology:
Someone into this calculating number talismans from different greek/roman gods made one for me from venus. I carried it with me for quite some time.
2012 this happened

and I started reading on ATS. Interesting year 2012 in general.
Then before I joined and started blah-ing around my opinion I saw a clear statue, like floating marble in the sky. Magic? Due to this calculated little rhombus my "friend" made? So many friends have obviously "sold me out", was she one of them?
It looks like numbers are some kind of ally of magic. But luckily for me, not the only language understood by "the others".

Concerning maths:
I remember at some point I calculated the curve of a rabbit population with e.
Nobody ever explained how that came to be a thing. Is it so hard to follow? Is there a formula?
I guess I am equally guilty I never looked for an answer myself.
But I assume it's the average of something?
Reverse of ln?
What I want to convey, that's an artform, a modern craft you can push yourself to perform on extreme planes, for the average me.
And this movie room 237 is art exploring the psyche through visualisation of your trigger maps.



posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 01:28 AM
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See the "U" above the head? It is supposed to be a symbol of placing the higher self or third eye above one's own head, as one decends into the world of ignorance, from a state of godhood. The Moon that it is? Old symbol for enlightenment, as it is a reflection of the source but not the source... not realizing it? The state of darkness or ignorance. Venus? Well, second brightest thing in the sky not the moon and often mistaken as a "star" aside from the sun or sol ad the "U" and you've realized your soul... using Venus instead of Sirius A as a guide? One will wander around lost in the darkness for a long time; without some hand reaching out to point a way. Mistaking the pointing for the truth? The biggest fallacy/phallacy to be mind f-ed with.

Chasing the metaphor or finger; well it is life, so what good is any of that pointing or guidence sniffing peoples fingers? Instead of seeing the point directly at reality... and smelling sweet victory? reality always happening, that stuff attached to weaves the illusion and delusion placing oneself behind the curtain... ruling a castle in the sky. Some feign ignorance of the knowing... from that place your bets business, but life goes on and so does creativity, in the dark or not... best it be in the light instead of purposefully weaving the ignorance and profiting off of human misery. In such a manner it does become the tower of babble and a perpetuation of the problem instead of becoming a solution to it.

Wisdom and compassion and empathy? Are great preventative measures against building anything but equality... so hey build your castle and leave the crown on the throne, whether it a world or the entire universe. The one worthy to wear it? Will pull it out of the stone that is their own ass of ignorance being worn as a crown.

Those just as ignorant yay and yeah got some boot sah? Need a right hand man mam? While those knowing? Simply know, or try to sell out what they think they know with their mouth without any heart but greed and hate in it... like all such towers? See the same Tarot card... the reaper of such is always oneself where intent is involved called karma.

anyhoo... I have some coffee to drink and cleaning up to do.



posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 07:00 AM
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I was checking out NASA's new Earth focused imagery to be up dated daily and found some neat lil phenomena not sure what the cause for them are.

If anyone likes such a thing as views from and of space have a look; DSCOVR The cursor magnifies on hover...











BTW Happy Saturday Cafe



posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 09:04 AM
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Yes, another form that exists outside of us. But so called magicians turn to just the numbers and think they alone (numbers) are the way. They are not. Numbers just are. No magic needed.

Kubrick was into some crazy shizzle! And he knew people who were into even crazier stuff. I think a lot of artists have friends who are esoteric. Blake being a good example (his bestie was a Mason. See the thread that was resurrected about him from 2012??) The ideas bleed over into the art. Some seem more aligned to it than others.

Lots of sex magick stuff out there. Madonna being one. But it is all superficial like thinking the numbers are the power. Beyond that narrow view lies vastness. I think that it is all about consciousness.That will be the new science.



posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 09:35 AM
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So close to being lucid last night. The lay of the land was from an old dream. some epic battle like an rpg game. A magic knnife that steals the powers of that it kills and that power flows through the soul.. Well, at some point I'm imagining where I am and trying to figure out how to go other places like do I need to go west from here?

I end up at someoens house I'm the 5th wheel so blah I decide to leave again, and imagining where I am at the realization creeps in that these places on this "map in my mind" are not from the same land.. that they are cobbled together from "real life" and other dreams..

That thought should have made me lucid, but instead I was excited because normally in my dreams knowing how to get somewhere doesn't mean goin g there will be there.. But in this case I was able to decide where to go and actually get there.

And then the guy at the store wouldn't take my card because it had an oil derrick on it. So no flavor changing cheerios, but I forgot the milk anyway so whatever.. Then I got pissed off which is another thing that can snap me out of my dream, but it did not. So I flew away into the air and somewhere along my ascent all the sudden I was on my back looking at my ceiling thinking I should be getting close to the land with the big castle...

And then my ego turned on fully and I was like guess we aren't going to the castle (coolest castle ever by the way it has like 300 foot statues and 200 foot walls that are like 50ft thick.. Made from like black marble white marble gold and jewels..) But alas I was awake it must be saturday and then the memory of my boss saying no work today washed it all away.

ahhh..

Now what?




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posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 11:43 AM
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I'd say most people converse on the basis of how it has affected their lives rather than how it might (or might not) have affected yours.

My own experiences with the Illuminati are not hearsay to me, but you hearing it from me does transform it into that for you.

It all does explain something, but what you take away from it is entirely up to you.

Of course, focusing all of ones time and energy into removing or shifting the influence of these groups could be a bit like pissing into the wind. We like to think it would all be different if "people like me" were in charge, so it becomes easy to solely pursue that.

Talking about it all may not precipitate some sort of mass epiphany of positive metamorphosis, but I'm not convinced that should be the motive behind all conversation across the board. The way I see it, sometimes just shooting the sh!t is healthy.

Personally, I know that my own work can impact the world greatly, but I really don't want every discourse I have to revolve around it. After all, there are only so many times one can see eyes glazing over before it becomes a bit tiresome.


I think the trick is in not letting these limited interactions completely define what we think someone is doing outside of the discussion. Its hard not to do that, as we build our picture of others based on those interactions, but it can be misleading.

For me, the "phenomena" is a bit like gravity or the wind. It can be useful and enjoyable to explore, but it may not be a good use of time to become obsessed with gaining a sense of omniscience and "true" understanding. I tend to favor creation, rather than comprehensive understanding, but I think the two drives play quite nicely with each other.

In many cases, what I'm "selling" has little to nothing to do with the conversation. My life's work is similar to what you say you want to do: create an alternative form of society (in a manner of speaking), simply because I believe we can do better. I don't buy into the concept that technology and nature are at odds, we just design it that way, and that everything from currency to social systems to simply how we perceive these things are not limited to "this is the way its always been done." Outside of this board, my time is spent pretty much entirely on that. Of course, this thread is specifically about "the phenomena," so that will steer the conversation.

The vast, vast majority are simply not interested in specifics and "potential," so I feel its more effective to foster it through real world systems. Sharing the latter through a message board can be problematic though, as the form of communication is almost innately confined to the former.

TL;DR: I think that attempting to define the totality of others through a message board is innately limited and exceedingly easy simply due to the format. So, if we want to really get to explanations and real world changes, we have to specifically steer the conversation in that direction. And instead of just asking general questions and making general statements, it might be more effective to drill the conversation down with increasing focus until we get to actionable ideas and information.

If you want a democracy that emphasizes content, how exactly do you think that can be accomplished independent of any and all current practices? My personal addendum would be; and would that differ if the systems and tools embraced change and evolution rather than the opposite? Can we really know what road will most expediently reach that point?

I think the trick is to create tools that not only shift towards that direction, but themselves operate on those principles of growth, change, and evolution instead of simply advancement of what we already have (hope that distinction makes sense). I can talk about my generators, hvac systems, audio, AI, or anything else, but its hard for that to have any more meaning than saying the Illuminati exists, unless you can hold it in your own hands or live with it as a part of your life.

ETA: the TL;DR was about as long as the rest of the post. Oops

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posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 12:23 PM
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Awesome post. I have too run into "those guys"

I call them gangsters rather than other words. I think most people get the same idea when I use that word. It even holds most of the meaning that I want to say about them.

I say that a peace march is 10 times more effective than an anti war march. Well, going anti illuminati, try to remove them.. It's not so effective. But making your own world independent from that system may be.

My thing is that the more freedom we can put into individuals hands. Central power will wane on it's own. It will go back to it's only job and that is solving disputes between free people.

My special brand of that is trying to get people to be more confident in their own thoughts and dreams.
Before that I tried to disrupt some mind control things.. That ended so super well.. Not.

People honestly just need better options to choose, and when they see those they will choose them.. So we neither have to fight gangsters or fight zombies.

We Must create options.

And while people do that I'm doing my own thing. My shaman thing. I'm always pulled by my heart or my fate or my nature, to protect or love people.. That's my game. It bleeds through me at every level. So that's me.. That doesn't increase options.. I need other people for that part.




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posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 12:47 PM
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Exactly.

I don't buy into the idea that these influential people and groups are any more, or less "human," than anyone else. I'm certainly not convinced that a metaphorical changing of the guard will actually change anything at all.

If truly better options are presented in an easily adoptable form, they will be accepted. Down the line, we can work towards more advanced ideals, but we have to build a foundation before we can even look at the first floor.

Working towards a Star Trek-ish society isn't a bad thing, but trying to jump right to that ideal overnight will only lead to disappointment. Its a progression, not an instantaneous change.

Those gangsters are really the same as everyone else, they are just in positions to take unique advantage of the situation. They are just as trapped in thinking that that is the most beneficial course as anyone else and their "success" everyday confirms the notion. They are simply choosing the best option they know.

In my experience, most are eager to talk about those better options, but rarely choose them. In a way, that might point to an aversion to progress, but it might be that presented options aren't actually enough of an improvement, or have too high of effort/risk versus reward, to be the best choice for the circumstances.



posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 07:26 PM
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the yin and yang go round and round theres a small point in both that make the round go round. When in the dark flip the switch and when time for sleep? lights out. keeping it in the duality? turn the mind off and on and the pulling begins.



posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 09:23 PM
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I was just thinking about the Smurfs framework; the tropes the characters are living... mind=blown



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