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Baddogma's Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

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posted on Nov, 10 2016 @ 12:55 AM
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a reply to: Reverbs

You foolish optimist. You know I am talking about very basic reality stuff? You have guilty pleasures. Beer...
Not guilty? Are you what your parents expected you to be?
What about that guy you aren't able to help? Not guilty?
How about porn? Not saying, you watch, just also a great source for guilt.
Quit the hysteria, I am the most harmless person on earth.
Just angry, because nobody gets what's going on.
Reboot society and I might be okay with humans survive.
Therapy for everyone!




posted on Nov, 10 2016 @ 12:58 AM
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a reply to: Reverbs

Ahem that's also pretty symptomatic for sociopaths. Lack of emotional depth.
You're the opposite that's why you had to learn to control them. Feel hugged.



posted on Nov, 10 2016 @ 02:12 AM
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a reply to: Peeple

Easy to get frustraited and close oneself off because the people do not reflect that ideal quite a few do, but they too close themselves off and then start living their ideal stepping on all toes they come across... and project onto others that hey asshole you should be like me. Instead of accepting that nothing is separate it is already perfect but that projecting onto it what one wants to see or reflect is selfishness self glorification a desire to manipulate and control the world so it suits them... becomes their environment instead of sharing it.

The sharing it already occurs and it is already perfect, so what is wrong? Projection that perfect can be more perfect if I add this twist that because thats how who likes it? "I" like it and that's why dissatisfaction appears and follows instead of love and acceptance for what is in and of itself.

Since so many are running around for the way "I" like it? Suffering and pain arises on peoples faces and it seems helpless hopeless out of control well that's because it is... so taking control? That doesn't solve it because that what people are already trying to do the animals too, even a magnet stronger than the other or ball of mercury tries to gather all into itself same as a blackhole... a force as large as a blackhole can it contain the entire universe no. Does it want too? Who knows but it is a part of it, it nor anything can ever be separate from it until there is a self that thinks it is and thinks that it needs to suit them support them instead of all others... well it already does suit and support them but not how they want it too.

So supporting it and all others one becomes no different than all of that itself... it embraces and supports and says turn it inside out instead of trying to make it do something it already is doing become help to it instead of trying to control it... then the chaos ceases within that desires to end chaos.

Sitting is just sitting no matter the chair, have some been more comfortable to the mind sure but how does that make sitting cease to be sitting other than one's own mental discomfort that wants to say some sitting is better than other sitting and then blame the chair instead of ourselves for that judgment.



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posted on Nov, 10 2016 @ 02:19 AM
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originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Reverbs

You foolish optimist. You know I am talking about very basic reality stuff? You have guilty pleasures. Beer...
Not guilty? Are you what your parents expected you to be?
What about that guy you aren't able to help? Not guilty?
How about porn? Not saying, you watch, just also a great source for guilt.
Quit the hysteria, I am the most harmless person on earth.
Just angry, because nobody gets what's going on.
Reboot society and I might be okay with humans survive.
Therapy for everyone!


nah still not guilty.. I was the most pessimistic person ever. It's why you are making me smile right now.. I outgrew it. It's a waste of time. You will learn it or kill yourself with stress.. What's your point? I don't think you know. Just give up or don't make your choice now. You're wasting my time at this point.

beer.. NO guilt.
Sex.. NO guilt. In case you want to know I sometimes watch porn. I'm not that into sex. Like I almost don't care.
the guy I can't help will die.. NO guilt.

You may not be as smart as you think you are.

you are really only telling me your own psychology, but it doesn't fit on me.




posted on Nov, 10 2016 @ 02:21 AM
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a reply to: Reverbs

That's entirely possible.



posted on Nov, 10 2016 @ 02:23 AM
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originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Reverbs

Ahem that's also pretty symptomatic for sociopaths. Lack of emotional depth.
You're the opposite that's why you had to learn to control them. Feel hugged.


what is sociopaths? "that's"

but yes I feel VERY strongly. You can be pretty sure I felt the depths of hell and wanting all humans to die worse than you. I don't know anyone with emotions as strong as mine. And I'm a guy..

You keep telling BigBrotherDarkness you hope he doesn't understand what you write, while you scold others for having secrets..
That's one of the ways I know you don't know what you're saying. I know you're not Shy.. But you hide. Guilty. Stop projecting on others. Maybe?

and please understand I'm going to be hard on anyone I disagree with, and that is also love hugs.. I'm not a love zombie dummy.. When I say I love you all I mean it truly.

I hope you aren't offended by me.
You seem really strong to me, so I'm going to go hard back,
but always love.
I really respect you.
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posted on Nov, 10 2016 @ 02:27 AM
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a reply to: Mousygretchen

Then personal growth would be seeking to understand instead of blame them, but once familiar and understand the motives would that make you want to become one of them by holding the understanding that they do? That is often the case... why? Because understanding brings acceptance and well acceptance being an expression of love it brings a sense of happiness... but remembering that it used not to be that acceptance and just ignorance then one can see that it wasn't the practice that made acceptance arise it was the removal of ignorance... so what then embrace that as a self or a new mode of expression?

People do such things with groups and labels all the time... then what occurs? Exclusion because some do not accept it and may not be ignorance of it meaning there's a 3rd facet so to see what they are seeing you go to remove the ignorance you have of that viewpoint and the larger and larger the image grows knowledge grows and ignorance of whatever it is ceases more and more the more sides or facets or perpecives can be known.

The easiest of course is just acceptance it is what it is, if it needs changing then having done all of that removal of ignorance comes in handy, if not then it is going to become a biased view that only knows why they are supporting it and doesn;t understand nor care why the person on the otherside of that line or argument doesn't why? It's what they know, it's what feeds their family, may be tradition etc etc belief etc etc same with whomever on the line of opposition but saw it wasn't the way... so people look for validation to be doing what they are doing or continue what they are doing or say hey I dont care about your view it's my life my choice and give the same ration for it as they ration to themselves for doing it... beneficial or not to anyone else but them.

Everyone does this; so how does being stubborn and having an open mind work? It reserves judgment and appreciates their point of view more depending on what you've got that may support or oppose whatever it is... so how is that any different than what anyone else is doing? It isn't at least when not defined as to what that actually is... but it takes knowing you to know what those things are, but acceptance says hey I like you for you whatever those things are I don't care because you are more important as a sentient being than what is filling that cup moment to moment that comes and goes not matter what one is identifying as a self that is only there from that attachment but is not actually there moment to moment only there when asked.

It's at once the funniest and saddest thing there could ever possibly be I can assure you.



posted on Nov, 10 2016 @ 02:34 AM
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a reply to: Reverbs

I love to disagree with you too.


And I still believe lots of self destructive behaviour comes from guilt. It's not like I'm the only one feeling this way. More or less extreme.
The devil/alien/other made me do that will get us in a lot of trouble. That's pretty much the point of my rambling today.



posted on Nov, 10 2016 @ 02:43 AM
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a reply to: Peeple

In Buddhism guilt is concidered an anomoly... it arises from expectation of what someone should be doing instead of what they actually do or want too. So when the person does what they want too instead of what they expect themselves or others expect them to be doing? Guilt arises.

The anomalous part is; you are already yourself... the ideal you does not even exist so we end up beating up the self that actually exists for the one that doesn't.



posted on Nov, 10 2016 @ 02:44 AM
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originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Reverbs

I love to disagree with you too.


And I still believe lots of self destructive behaviour comes from guilt. It's not like I'm the only one feeling this way. More or less extreme.
The devil/alien/other made me do that will get us in a lot of trouble. That's pretty much the point of my rambling today.


yea but I'm responsible for everything I do, and what I don't do.
I hold myself to my own standards..
the rest of you can have your gods and your guilts.
it's not my game to play.

My drinking never stemmed from guilt, it first came from extreme depression. based on what we are talking about right now, the world burning.. It weighed on my little 4 year old shoulders.. it's never let up since, the "guilt" ended when I stood up fr myself and for others.

end of story.

I don't judge it as self destructive. I view it as my mode of expression of choice. You see beyond controlling emotions I also control dopamine and serotonin and melatonin.. Acetylcholine...

You'd be amazed what putting your life on the line and almost dying will do for your soul.
I am finished. All the rest of this I get to experience is a whole extra life.

MY drinking isn't self destructive except in poisoning my body. That's it. everything else about it is positive. But I know me very well, and most people would have a negative relationship with alcohol.. Hell I had a positive relationship with a psychopath, and I still care about here deeply.

I don't have to follow your rules.. Anyones rules.. I set my own morals.
Drugs have helped me a million times more than beign sober...
How else would I heal my four year old broken heart that the world broke.. FOUR!! I'm not kidding.. I'm not exaggerating..
I'm way too smart for my own good, well alcohol helped that a bit.. I was multiplying double digit numbers in my head at 4..

You have to realize I GAVE UP at four. I hated you "people"
it's a good thing my wisdom outgrew my knowledge.




Anyway I'm winning.. All of the markers I watch for my victory are going my way. All is good in my hood.
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posted on Nov, 10 2016 @ 02:46 AM
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originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
a reply to: Peeple

In Buddhism guilt is concidered an anomoly... it arises from expectation of what someone should be doing instead of what they actually do or want too. So when the person does what they want too instead of what they expect themselves or others expect them to be doing? Guilt arises.

The anomalous part is; you are already yourself... the ideal you does not even exist so we end up beating up the self that actually exists for the one that doesn't.


I dont' have expectations..
it was one of my biggest freedom enhancers.
And the rest of your post follows.
that's one of the greatest magic tricks on the psyche.
in my opinion.

We have a great group of different people in this thread. It's funny how we all say different things but somehow someone else knows how to keep a new angle moving.

That's priceless,
but not impossible outside of ATS.
OF course there is a reason I keep coming back here and not knocking on my neighbors door.
You guys are a special mix of crazy smart awesome.
especially the crazy part... It's beauty in motion.

I'll stop using the L word..

...for a bit..

I appreciate you guys and I'm grateful I have gotten to meet you all.
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posted on Nov, 10 2016 @ 03:00 AM
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a reply to: Reverbs

Well, the value is in the expression of being not some idea or motive in the expression, although if it is not an honest in the moment expression or motive by way of some intent or ulterior motive someone out there can appreciate it... and that's likely because they have motives or intent too.

I point on this large trippy floor of disco lights that paint suits of black and white repeat the mantra ah ah ah and some say that helps with staying alive enjoying the dance instead of laying dead inside.



posted on Nov, 10 2016 @ 03:08 AM
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a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

Bingo

no I meant disco,

wait bingo

bong bong...

bing bing.. bong..



I LOVE this life.. and when it's over I'll die. And eventhough I think I'm immortal I know very well I could be very wrong.

I'm ok with that because I'm expressing myself NOW. That's all that matters I think in a way.. I'm not going to waste this body feeling like other bodies should perish..

At the same time I'm not too much wanting to factory farm anymore, after my new job.. I pulled apart 1,000s and 1,000s of pounds of dead chicken legs and wings... it smelled like frozen dead animal.. So I didn't like that.. it's a mesage to my psyche, now let's think about it and adjust..

and that's how my life goes. Not guilty though.. I think that's a wasted emotion in most cases.. I can motivate myself with carrots not sticks.
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posted on Nov, 10 2016 @ 03:09 AM
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a reply to: Reverbs

If I had a dream then they collect all the aliens, let us sing, meditate and work just in our own garden, with animals. That's the laboratory we need, with access to all information and stories others tell.
Let us hippies save the world. Enable us.
Show hospitality.
Have you ever given Dna? What did it say?

How would it look like, if you were a replacement, a mind simulation, a spiritual artificial being. In your DNA?
You say yourself you're dead. What are you doing taking a mans job, if it is a transmitted time travell package, that would apply too.

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You saying carrots gives me chills.

Mein Möhrchen! they took my Möhrchen!


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posted on Nov, 10 2016 @ 03:16 AM
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a reply to: Reverbs

My happiness is that I don't hold things that are not NOW in my head. How to say that better.. It's the same as not having expectations.. It's LIVING.

BUT if you just do that you can easily turn selfish gratification.
BUT that's fine too. Why is making yourself happy bad? It's so good, nand I can always make others smile at work or on the street..

my game is a mix of making people laugh, and saying random deep things out of the blue. just a one off sentence, if the other picks it up ok, if they do not ok. either way we continue down our chosen path.

I'm not trying to find the end of the book and stretch into it.. I'm reading the book line by line as I write it..
And sometimes I go dang man that was a good chapter.. you just changed that person's life and they smiled while you did it.. or it's like oh you made them uncomfortable and they didn't want that view.. Either way I'm not guilty.

it's just a thing. and that thing is always moving.
I have hopes, but I don't attach me to those hopes.
hopes and expectations are worlds apart.



posted on Nov, 10 2016 @ 03:20 AM
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originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Reverbs

If I had a dream then they collect all the aliens, let us sing, meditate and work just in our own garden, with animals. That's the laboratory we need, with access to all information and stories others tell.
Let us hippies save the world. Enable us.
Show hospitality.
Have you ever given Dna? What did it say?

How would it look like, if you were a replacement, a mind simulation, a spiritual artificial being. In your DNA?
You say yourself you're dead. What are you doing taking a mans job, if it is a transmitted time travell package, that would apply too.


I don't know about the last part I was resurrected of course..
the first part is like ONE of my ideal societies, but I have many so I hedge my hope bets.
I'm a realist.

My DNA no I would like to get a test at soem point. But it can't tell me why I'm me, intersting nonetheless.

I'm half German for sure end of story maybe a bit more than half. I'm almost 1/4 native American with Cherokee and Lakota Siox.

sry for my terrible spelling it's not something I was ever good at.

just so you know the demons always wanted me to think I was special and better than "humans"
I never bought into that bs.
I only have my own story to tell like everyone else.
maybe my story is "better" but it doesn't take away from anyone elses story.
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posted on Nov, 10 2016 @ 03:31 AM
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a reply to: Peeple

My internet is beign hacked obviously..
umm in the last few days I've had fake facebook accounts trying to friend me..

I was trying to quote your post but the carrot part will not show up.

How could that give you chills?

you are netherlands? if my memory isn't totally nuts..

You always seemed German to me lol.



posted on Nov, 10 2016 @ 03:34 AM
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I don't know about Reverbs but my DNA sample said "Da-de" after awhile. Then at about 14-15 called me a dude.

Either or even sh!thead is fine because I accepted what came out of what was given. Even though that was later taken because things weren't as perfect as they appeared to me... and accepted some other DNA sample that mine would then call Dad instead.

Took nearly 17 years to lay that down when someone that appeared strong enough suggested she might want a sample too.

Flushing a 17 year old abortion called my life down the drain up to that point was the gift she gave me, even if she has decided on someone else's sample or none at all. She accepted me in a moment and over a year later back to accepting my new life... laying in shambles still or not due to circumstances that others try to control isn't my problem but yet it is... the sun is shininng depite all the raining as those clouds are over their heads not mine...

My intent doesnt involve them, and it frustraites them to no end, because the only plans they carry out are expectations and assumptions instead of acceptance... the buttons constantly pushed and tested expect frustraition so they can get control... futility when someone cannot even control themselves, the reason being? Too much time spent trying to control others and the world out of their own disatisfaction.

So teams and sides? Opps where did that line go... as soon as it is drawn and their mind wanders off erased again. But I'm drawing this line... and I want you to cross it because I don't like or accept your side... obviously no side that why I keep erasing it.




posted on Nov, 10 2016 @ 03:38 AM
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Germans are everywhere. They have a strong thing for building clubs. World domination, I believe that's the German in me too, also I know it better.
Sooooooo guilty!
How can you have overcome that?
"I'm also a tiny bit Indian." if you think that eliminates 75%...

Germany sold the greeks ridiculously large military tanks. Then they went broke.
Coincidence? Then Germany bought Greek, with a lot to say about how Greek is supposed to be run.
Hm, where did the money go?
From what I hear the Deutsche Bank, seems pretty guilty in helping the housing crisis to happen.
Super much guilt associated with German.

Je ne regrette rien is incredible superficial, self centered and basically denial.

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

I was typing before I read what I said to Reverbs, but I think it fits weirdly.


Since I am adding stuff, I really get "technology woo" since I asked for it. Nothing photo worthy but... I hope it gets better.
Aargh prove dammit you elusive siren.

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posted on Nov, 10 2016 @ 03:39 AM
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a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

I love how you write..
Sometimes it takes me aback and I have to try to read the way YOU flow..

Smart kitty you.

and so funny at the same time, while talking about dark deep issues..

I guess your user name makes sense.

"over their heads instead of mine."

indeed!





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