a reply to: Peeple
Well, since we do discuss odd experiences here even if others haven't experienced them and they sound like fiction... is a dream fiction or did it
seem like reality at the time?
Being objective when watching all of this conglomerate particles and conceptual labels of it pass? Is one of the most fascinating things things I have
experienced... if there is no clinging to it with an ego, I've noticed the self can get lost in that flavor country although there is a core
expression of personality unique to everyone that comes across as feeling like an energy... some of these various energies passing through? Great!
Some of them so much weight and burden and struggle... I've done that side for far far too long due to that very clinging.
That's why I yammer on so much about not clinging to everything personally like all of that experience is one complete whole of an experience. There's
many many different types of wind, humid wind, cold wind, biting wind, hot wind, etc etc but in the end it is just wind... not attached to wind as a
one dimensional experience then the various states of that wind is noticed on experience... and can be appreciated without having to say hey hot wind,
cold wind or whatever just feel it as a sense of contact and the mind consciousness? No thought about it but the sensation if the focus is placed
there simply feels it in and of itself... place the consciousness elsewhere? The sensation will pass even if the wind does not... that way it is
contact and experience with no need for experiencer to mentally start chattering about it to oneself, bringing inner peace.
Children are like this before all the words and concepts and just open to sensations and notice which ones bring discomfort or ease to the body...
eventually this becomes mental chatter identifying with the experience as good or bad positive and negative, pain or ease, suffering or bliss. The non
discriminating mind does not move to such things unless they arise in the moment. It just is what it is except where one places their focus as every
minute moment to moment is brand new right then and right there... never the same experience fresh and new.
Of course, over time it can become difficult empathizing with others if one does not get out and experience the world... of course it can be difficult
when people not living in such a mode are constantly airing each mental state or thing that passes through their minds... meditation sees such
labeling eventually it gets tired of all that labeling sees it as something they'd rather find a distraction from instead of make friends with...
eventually all of that stops and bliss arises as an experience... then chase chase chase for an experience that has passed can no longer arise oh
bliss can occur again but not that bliss not that moment it is gone. But then we think what? That we have gained something with the ego instead of
simply experienced something due to that attachment... because whew it isn't called bliss for nothing.
After awhile all of the mental attachment to past experiences fall away, and well still in form one recalls what it is like and can empathize
recalling that pain that suffering attached to this is my pain my suffering instead of just a past experience that brought it... when others continue
trying to bring that same suffering due to not knowing any better? That's what hurts the most... because no matter how much pointing they are still
attached and well yeah it's their choice to be but thats like saying I dont like this that or the other without knowing the full experience of
whatever that is as it arises and passes moment to moment to moment as it is never the same... so why drag it along why place a limit on oneself or
others claiming something so fleeting and temporary with a memory that is not the experience itself just a recording of it?
Well, it was learned in order to seek ease of hunger, thirst, not do this or else pain arises... once known? The mind doesn't have to chatter on or
dwell on it. If people keep doing the same things over and over that bring themselves and others suffering? What is their for one to do... but try and
ease that suffering by listening, understanding, tolerance and empathy knowing how it feels, and encouraging happiness, joy, laughter, togetherness,
and someones dreams and aspirations in acceptance of them... not control of them or trying to make them like us or be someone they are not.
That's why the Buddha called it freedom and the non experience of such bondage... yet it isn't anything foreign it is the natural state before we self
programmed with so much bias and decided to call it a self when there are 6 consciousnesses to be perceived separately than together... one of the
eye, one of the ear, one of the nose, one of taste, one of touch, and the mind in which the sensation but not the label passes unless it needs
communicating or one wants to communicate it... but when it is thought that all 5 senses are one with a discriminating mind then thats where the bias
the pain and suffering arises from that is a self of one consciousness instead of a learned self.
This is why it is said that there are 5 Buddha families one for each sense... I personally prefer sight or simply seeing, nothing arises in the mind
on the contact of sight, I know eventually in practice focus can be placed on the others... I avoid hearing unless someone is fully in presence with
me in a conversation. Simply because of the jhana state of hearing carries a lot of anger and hatred on those multiple wavelengths or densities you
mentioned. Hate does not cease by hate, it ceases by love which is acceptance that doesn't mean love is impossible because the pain and suffering
people cling to as a self and spread is not oneself it is not the container it is an expression of being, unawareness of that expression in the 6
consciousnesses is ignorance of them arising and passing as they come and go moment by moment by moment... mindfulness leads to seeing all of these
various states arise as pure awareness.
Not attached to that pure awareness of what arises it simply arises and passes as that is it's nature.
Of course people fear what they do not understand... it breeds intolerance and pain and suffering in that unawareness that ego can't see through that
conglomerate perceived as self and other. Equanimity does not see a difference but there is a perception of a difference in which such energies
manifest and flow... not thus attached how can anyone be snared? It arises and passes and objectivity bears witness to it but does not judge it as it
is not others just suffering due to that limited attachment via the ego as a self experiencer. Empathy feels so much pain when directed at such it
becomes an extreme of being, and as said earlier there was enough experience of that extreme so seek out the other end... once that was found it is
about coming into full balance of being.
Still on the road of that, still walking it, and yet clinging is not to an ego self happiness exists in an unending supply but seeing it come and go
in others and not something that is there moment to moment to moment is why I point the way out of that extreme of being called a self... there is a
body that experiences as things arise and as things pass but there is no clinging as "this is happening or occurring to me" just the observation of
what is happening or occurring.