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Baddogma's Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

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posted on May, 12 2016 @ 12:17 AM
a reply to: Baddogma

I think you likely just wrote out "the meaning of life."
So have fun with it. I realize of course I can be both at the same time just human ape mammal dude and God dude. I find that even more fun than being one or the other. And yes being it all at once with no "other" sounds hellish to me too.

By the way anyone having issues on ats page loads??
Every other website works fine.
Cache deleted no help restart no help.. I don't know but last te this happened was the calm before the storm as it were. Believe it or not Ickes posts on ats sparked a memory from "the weirdness." I wish I felt safe here like I used to.

If not well I should learn to keep my mouth shut even if I am speaking in analogies..
It's been fun.
I take a brake now.

posted on May, 12 2016 @ 12:50 AM
a reply to: Reverbs

What weirdness? That was like "I have a cool story! Bye."

posted on May, 12 2016 @ 01:01 AM
a reply to: Peeple

Well, I've found that some folks who've experienced true, deeply weird high-strangeness have a dancing, feinting relationship with whatever it really is ...

and find themselves altering thought patterns and avoiding ideas so it doesn't turn its' attention to them again... sorta a giant, Trickster Grand Editor-Censor in the aethers.

When your thoughts get into dangerous territory, stuff happens and an ominous ambience hangs about... so I'm told.

Control System indeed.

posted on May, 12 2016 @ 01:42 AM
a reply to: Baddogma


posted on May, 12 2016 @ 02:16 AM
a reply to: Baddogma

I don't know, but I think it is more like the sphinxes at the gates. You can't process until you find out where the hostility comes from, if you approach certain "areas of thoughts". Where you suddenly are all emotional.
Mostly you find an unresolved issue, a personal memory of an experience at the bottom of it.
Resolving, integrating and letting go of fear seems to be the key.
Unfortunately it first leeds to fragmentation, until you're dissected, cut into pieces like in an alive autopsy. Stripped from all believes, illusions and cultural impressions.
But it has advantages, you see the feedback loop, the attention-energy field has connecting to us, has effects on our emotions.
That's why those who travel deep in the realms of the weirdness, all of them, in one way or another give the same message at some point "All is awareness. Love, stay calm."
Because we are possibility creation machines. We focus our attention and start developing possible storyline fitting the situation on the background of our "storage of experiences", the impressions we all collected, which make all of us unique.
If you feel demons behind you, all it really says is, you experienced situations in which you felt inferior.
That still has nothing to do with what the reason for the weirdness is.
But it shows how you are in charge of it. Projection, reflection, interaction all at once creating waves.
The control system is more like initiation rites, where all your "extremes", get amplified. All your kinks and flaws, as well as your strategies, positive traits, all that which makes up "you".
So in essence, you're right, especially if you have weirdness in your life, you have to be very mindful about where you want to focus your attention.

I should add, I "know" nothing, this is from someone, thinking the background noises in brainwaves is where the real action happens, or the decisions are made.

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posted on May, 12 2016 @ 03:06 AM
I just realised, thanks to ATS I've built a very complex "believe system" , one that has an answer, for so far, to almost every layer of existence.
Something the "all is awareness" lacks, imho. Material world exists, is part of reality, how can any human being deny that? Our body influences how we feel and our reaction defines what we think, both part of our physical here and now experience.

posted on May, 12 2016 @ 03:07 AM
a reply to: Peeple

I "know" nothing for sure, either... but simple collation of better quality data and some deep thought will serve up some of these meandering notions.

It does, again, return to chicken-egg consciousness/emotions = reality generation and/ or visa versa... very likely a mutual feedback loop, and pretty much inseparable and irreducible.

One thing I'm pretty sure of is, whether or not the "All" is generated purely in our awareness (and at some level of course everything is), there are still "magical" effects that other sentient systems can experience objectively.

Imvho, anyhoo.

posted on May, 12 2016 @ 03:37 AM
a reply to: Baddogma

Exactly. That's what makes the "force" a good metaphor. A very weak force. You share an idea, others give it attention, depending on how much and how long it atracts, the more momentum it gets. And that includes subconscious communication, like body language.
But most of the action is happening out of our sights. Humans are easy to impress.
Imitation and taking it one step further is how we progress. Nothing is really new it is build on old ideas.
There are no coincidences, it's a web of information, there is no room for that. All kinds of possibilities surround us all the time, what we chose is predetermined by the sum of experiences, personality and mood, none of it is under the control of what we call consciousness.

The artist formerly known as fate.
What I am trying to say is information should be a separate dimension, like time, because it seems to be working outside all of our laws, timeless and omnipresent.

posted on May, 12 2016 @ 06:55 AM
try to do a mind experiment and contemplate a bit on this post, if you want...

but mind you, this is coming from buddhist or non dual perspective and spiced with my own imagination, so some will like it and some will not and this is how it should be...
I don't mind if anyone disagrees with me or say something bad about it, that is your "problem", I don't have a problem and I like you anyway and I will try to answer you if I can...

: )

Imagine somehow this if you can:
- everything in universe is from the same essence, no separation between dream and reality and no separation between objects or beings
- this essence is everywhere, but no where at the same time, therefore it is outside of cause and effect
- this essence has many "levels" or aspects
- we all share this essence and we had it from the start...for eons until we got a human form and are now here on ats
- on default we experience bodily aspects of this essence - five senses, five organs and the mind
- language or thoughts are not the essence but only one aspect of it related to body,
- emotions are also one aspect of it related to body

and here are questions, which are important for us in my opinion.
- can we tap into into different aspect of our essence? (source of mysticism and occult)
- can we even purify ourself to our "original" or "pure" deepest level of the essence?
- if essence is all around us and within us and is the same in dreams and reality, so when we meditate.
Who is meditating?
- body or conscious mind? (waking mind, five senses and organs - what is their real nature? think what happens when we get hungry, does stomach have "it's own" essence in a way?)
- essance ? (but how can that be if it is the deepest level, purest and source of everything?)

to help you out a bit, here are sub questions:
- what are thoughts, language from the perspective of essence and how can we help ourselves with them?
- what are emotions from its perspective and how can we help ourselves with them?
- what is intent from its perspective and how can we help ourselves with it?

- and the most important in my opinion:
who or what is aware of all these things and happenings? -> in what relation are the essence and self awareness or are they two parts of the same coin (like day and night) or "two in one"?

I am not saying essence is sentient or that is has likes or dislikes or any other things or attributes. it IS NOT a thing or being, but it is in everything.

Maybe if I say "matrix" and "inception", this should ring a bell,
levels and levels on top of each other, right here right now in our bodies and all throughout infinity number of universes.


hehe have fun with mental gymnastics...

: )
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posted on May, 12 2016 @ 11:34 AM
a reply to: UniFinity

I like that you always share your background, before you share your notes.
And the first sentence I can subscribe to emphasising essence.
But I disagree the "essences" are living a life of their own in a different "aether of life".
All the essences of humans, make essence stuff on the layers of reality they exist in, as we are going on with our lifes, we are one part of their lifetime experience, they are one facet of our experience.
Our physical, real life is entirely our private business, the essence is as the word describes, the characteristical aspect we showed the most, during this "lesson".

A different aspect of our essence, is kind of impossible. A different aspect of our self is highly recommended. It broadens the horizon, whenever you step out of your comfort zone.
I also believe different systems in our body are playing an equally big part in our experience and we would never say it is a separate living thing, it's the digestion system. The reproductive instinct. The blood circuit. Our essence is similar to that.

So yes in a way they are part of one coin, just that the coin in this case is at least a "d6", a dice.
Like all the different systems the essence too is specialised, it is functioning on layers we can't rationally access, so it has a certain autonomy while it is like a stock broker, advertising your qualities, buying opportunities.
Not as much like real people, more a chemical reaction.
Projecting human qualities on strange things, is a normal reaction, but not necessarily true.
I think we have a collective human species subconscious.
And I think on that layer of reality, a timeless space, with omnipresent information, we collectively work on our advancement as species.
Or not.

And the "matrix", multi dimensions, source, might be just a hypothetical picture, while in reality it is just what "wave of information" we ride. Some interference action points, where the dot we experience surfs through the tube of different possibility waves. This happens at some point to a every one, mid life crisis, high stress areas, we're we suddenly question everything. Some younger some older, apparently also some more often, as it seems, or over longer periods of time, but milder and all in between. Depending on the wave they ride and in what "waters".

I apologise for the surfer philosophy.

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posted on May, 12 2016 @ 03:03 PM
a reply to: Reverbs

Omg lol that's an interesting re read..
Bum eye

I know!
I gasped.

posted on May, 12 2016 @ 03:22 PM
a reply to: Baddogma

Imagine a universe as either a void, or filled with stuff, or both, like ours seems to be, but finding no other consciousness to define/refine yourself against... no antagonist, or comrade... nothing but raw awareness, forever. Scary.

One of our first tasks as babies (if you want to follow Erikson's model) is to define ourselves as autonomous from our mother/primary caregiver. In the first few days and weeks of our lives, we don't think in this way - we see them as a part of ourselves, or rather we see both as one entity. It's only later that we realise that they, and we, are separate. Deafblind babies struggle with this for much longer, not having their two primary senses to interpret the exterior world.
So we define ourselves as individual to something else. Not having this, as some deafblind infants don't, can lead to emotional dysregulation; not having a sense of ego (I am) as opposed to I am you, can lead to overwhelming anxiety when the other (who is believed to be part of self) leaves.

Knowing some other level of awareness is not only possible, but likely, I guess one can surpass this (likely ape biology based) reliance on others ... maybe ... but is that desirable?

No, it is completely undesirable and probably the antithesis of what we 'should' be. I think I mentioned Allan Schore earlier on, or maybe in another thread. He has concluded, and evidenced through MRI scans, that young brains are physically changed to their detriment through isolation and lack of nurture and love. Lack of love changes the shape of our brain.
We need it to survive.

IS 'God' lonely, or is plurality a happy occurrence and even the gods have a playmate?

Maybe, maybe not. We're not 'God', we're only bits of god and we can't survive alone.

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posted on May, 12 2016 @ 04:23 PM
This is more for reverbs and people but fits nicely in, so good old TEOT will share!

When an atom emits light, quantum physics requires the light and the atom to become connected, or entangled, so that measuring a property of one instantly reveals the value of that property for the other, no matter how far away it is.

Or put another way, every measurement of an entangled object perturbs its entangled partner. It is this quantum back-action, Murch said, that could potentially allow a light detector to control the light emitter.

Source: - Experiment suggests it might be possible to control atoms entangled with the light they emit by manipulating detection.

So we all see what we want to see? I don't think that is it! Control by detecting is a crazy notion anyway! And it involves "seeing" (the "bum eye"), interference (the fly?), and the quantum foam-ness.

There is no such thing as coincidence!

posted on May, 12 2016 @ 04:52 PM

I read your article, which was really lots of words together that I don't understand.

Is it not saying (and it probably isn't) that the light and the atom are only connected as much as the wind and a shaking leaf are connected? In other words, they're not entangled in themselves, it's just that we use the 'qualities' (for want of a better word) of both to measure one?

posted on May, 12 2016 @ 05:49 PM
a reply to: beansidhe

It's saying the leaf can affect the wind..

Its what I've been hinting at.

"Quantum control has been a dream for many years," Murch said. "One day, we may use it to enhance fluorescence imaging by detecting the light in a way that creates superpositions in the emitters.

so let's call reality a light emmiter and we are photons..
Let's do the wave!


posted on May, 12 2016 @ 05:57 PM
a reply to: Reverbs

Hmmm, thank you for explaining that.
I'm not very good at quantumy physics stuff.

How would that work for thoughts then? Everything that we humans have ever created have come from thoughts - ideas. Would that article suggest that the opposite can be equally true too?

posted on May, 12 2016 @ 06:11 PM
a reply to: beansidhe

Sorry, the real world called me away.

Words, words, words! Yes, by detecting the quantum entangled bits and how they interfere with light, and due to the fact that the two bits of matter are "entangled", they can change one and the other will change. And even better, you do what you want to one and the other responds in kind. Kind of like a telegraph--one tapping out the dots-dashes and the other receiving it! Then you hit STOP and let the other side take over!

Add to that, "We are all beings of light" and my coffee-less brain gets a hankering for bier to try and make sense!

Thoughts. That is another whole ball of worms! But this is for the very small and entangled. Since entropy is all around us I do not think this really affects us in "macro world". I hope...

posted on May, 12 2016 @ 06:12 PM
a reply to: beansidhe

What is "the muse?"

I think of making things like the matrix movie talked about the life support machines. Mayor I thought no talking to neo on balcony.. Ends up calling the relationship between them and the machines is symbiotic. (Shout out to KPB). They made the machine to rely on it and in relying on it the machine existed and was maintained taken care of..

Or like in the movie inception.
Main guy is explaining to the new girl how dreams work. That you wake up in the middle of a dream without knowing how it began. Then he goes on to explain the dream is experienced and created at the same time.

But to answer you flat out.

I think the article points to "everything effects everything."

And I would say even thoughts have a life of their own "in the wild"

Just my thoughts... Lol.. On the issue.

I think some part of me is like "light being" and it's that part that's psychic, that can change reality, that is "entangled " with "God"

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posted on May, 12 2016 @ 06:19 PM
a reply to: Reverbs

The "thought-overse"! Yet another classic of reverbs' neologisms!

I like it!

posted on May, 12 2016 @ 06:27 PM

No, don't be sorry, the real world is a good place to be.
Ah, ok, so it would be duality boiled down to the tiniest wee level possible. Everything has a 'partner'.
I'm going to need to sleep on that to see if any neurons can actually process what that means.

a reply to: Reverbs

I'm sorry I can't relate to the Matrix - I've never watched it, since whenever I see him, I want to punch Keanu Reeves 80 million times in the face for ruining 'Dracula'.

That's very true, the dream is created and experienced simultaneously. So are ideas, you sort of 'watch' them develop as they happen.
OK, everything effects everything makes sense, but your point about symbiosis was very interesting. That would imply, like you're both saying, that things not only effect other things but they also need that relationship to exist.

Am I close?

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