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Baddogma's Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

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posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 03:44 PM
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a reply to: Reverbs

For clarity then, since we're all in the same thread and shared language makes life easier - society is singular, societies is plural. If you mean more than one, say more than one.




You have to be careful when you think about what I write. Sometimes I'm not clear.


Yes, I've noticed.


One reason is this auto correct silliness and I can't see everything I wrote on this phone very easy,


Fair enough, all of us make mistakes, it's not a problem. But if you can't see what you're writing you'll have to accept that some of us won't understand what you're saying.


my thoughts don't go in one direction (trying to show more connections),


Ok, I can usually follow more than one train of thought.


and the third category is I do it to not say all the way what I think. Not to be coy or anything but to see.. See if you and I agree without the bias there of a feedback loop.


I don't know what feedback loop that could possibly be. Can you explain? Maybe we won't agree, that's ok. Presumably we can still talk.



Remember the bacteria me has bacteria in my gut all working around each other wondering why society (me) keeps moving in the wrong direction when the smart members of bacteria land can see the inevitable end !? Well "I" have a mind of my own. Fractal it out up down and around.. Think about that and kevs control loop.. We are like patterns that pattern ourselves. Any level of fractal that can change will have an effect on the same level of the pattern directly a huge effect on the level "down" and a very diminished effect one level up. Now imagine you realized the multiverse/quantum mechanics view is true..


Like the Butterfly Effect?


In chaos theory, the butterfly effect is the sensitive dependence on initial conditions in which a small change in one state of a deterministic nonlinear system can result in large differences in a later state.




Anyway you could get smacked for messing up the board or by playing your own game altogether.


Not going there.



I'm explorative comparative.. It's mostly analogies (only way to talk about the unknown).. So I'm not saying what is there I'm more throwing out lots of angles as brainstorming perhaps you could call it, but they aren't random they are things I've thought about usually a lot.


We're all brainstorming, there's really nothing else we could do. Brainstorming is great, because I for one certainly don't have any answers. I don't see you cutting anyone down, no problems, it's all good...


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posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 03:57 PM
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a reply to: jacygirl

Hi there!




"So, what are the chances that an old Pictish stone in Scotland would show several of the same symbols as a carving from ancient Egypt? Both show tuning forks, flower shape, flare shape, and possible liquid associations (one a cymatic liquid swirl, the other a dish that can hold liquid."


I'm going to have to disagree with him and his vibrationy levitation theory, because the Abernethy stone shows a 'tuning fork' (Taurus, I think), a hammer and anvil, and a crescent and v-rod. Notice how he's cunningly only showing part of the photo.






His Egyptian bit was interesting though. If his friend found steel tuning forks, some up to 9 feet tall, in a museum store room then what on earth were they for? I'd love to know.



posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 04:08 PM
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a reply to: beansidhe

Hey beans!
He explains his theory in great detail (very mathematical, lol) with pics and diagrams...it's worth having a look if you get some extra time. Still using the same theory he also mentions Edward Leedskalnin (and his rock park in Florida)....as well as structures in Mycenae, Malta, Macchu Picchu, Baalbek, and Egypt.

I'm not saying it's true/correct information....just interesting how he describes using the tuning forks.

jacy



posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 04:32 PM
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a reply to: beansidhe

I see what you mean but it's the same difference as people saying the world is maya. Or they say the country is moving in the wrong direction. It does not preclude other worlds/countries.
Anyway yes multiple animals but follow the analogy so maybe it's a herd.. Maybe there are other herds if the Same species. Just ideas. Anyway imagining fractals at higher organizations by shrinking yourself to "bacteria."

It's an image if what a "god" (this time god would be your angel/vampire/alien/Zeus/Yahweh) would be.. Maybe it's a way of looking at kev'a version of the use of the soul. As in the "control loop" he describes. That maybe we are symbiosis and that making the soul is our job (almost like dharma).. I'm not putting words in his mouth thus is my thought not his. But in my thought the fractal hologram one level up maybe we all make up a Zeus or a Saturn. That religious belief and soul is in their thinking farmed and we are like wheat ready for harvest.

Just random thoughts.

Butterfly effect yea but not like chaos.. More as completely predictable reactions of something like "the spinning of the spheres" wheels within wheels. If you can imagine such a thing like a spinning top with spinning tops inside that like Russian nested dolls. Imagine one top comes out of balance any one of them.. Without correcting even a very small inside layer the balance shift transfers all the way "up" or all the way "down." That is an analogy I'm not saying the universe is all spinning circles but it's a way of thinking.

The matrix is a perfect example. The Indian "people" programs in the matrix. At least the dad talks of not minding his place that he has dharma and karma he accepts "what I must do" because he has a beautiful wife and daughter sati.. Gifts for living his life in service. Obviously all the people were holographic versions of "themselves and there souls were stored far away as a harvest for the "machines" even in the movie the old man talks of building the machines that keep the city running.. "Did we make the machines to serve us or do we exist to build the machine? It's a symbiotic relationship"

At the end if the third movie he makes peace with humans and machines back to the symbiosis until again an anomaly emerges. All he changed in the end was the matrix was better to live in..

Ever hear the song "psycho" by muse?

Thanks for your reply.



posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 05:10 PM
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Doing a ghost tour tonight 😁 now that's woooo πŸ‘€πŸ‘»πŸ’€πŸ™€πŸ’©



posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 05:24 PM
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a reply to: Reverbs

Ok, I see what you are saying. We're just wee specks of 'god' whatever that is, waiting to be sucked up to form the ultimate god, when we've been through enough to be god-worthy (ish). I really, really hope that's not the answer.

But then most of nature thrives on symbiosis, so why not us vs the universe too, I guess?



Butterfly effect yea but not like chaos.. More as completely predictable reactions of something like "the spinning of the spheres" wheels within wheels. If you can imagine such a thing like a spinning top with spinning tops inside that like Russian nested dolls. Imagine one top comes out of balance any one of them.. Without correcting even a very small inside layer the balance shift transfers all the way "up" or all the way "down." That is an analogy I'm not saying the universe is all spinning circles but it's a way of thinking.


So the question of free will would raise its head, I suppose. Can we poke a stick in the mechanism somewhere then, and cause the whole orchestrated theatre to collapse? Or even stop? And what would that look like? It's an interesting visual to wonder about, but my head is so full of forged hair ideas just now, I'll have to come back to it later.


Muse? Nah, never liked them I'm afraid.

a reply to: jacygirl

Too much maths for my liking.

But on reading a bit further down, wouldn't it maybe make more sense that they were for resonance, to make the stones 'sing' or to induce a trance? The cairns had that acoustic anomaly, maybe they did that in the other places too. In fact, isn't the Hypogeum of Hal Saflieni (sp?) in Malta? I think it has strange acoustic properties too.



posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 05:27 PM
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a reply to: zazzafrazz

That's uber-woo.

Tell them you need irrefutable proof of them for this thread - see what happens.



posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 05:31 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

hi kellyprettybear, ive been looking into the ancient gnostics writings about the archons and how they are related to the parasitic creatures that shamans describe from their travels into the unconscious. i was just wandering if you have any views on this.
someone on another post says you were the resident shaman of ats, thats why im mssg u lol



kind regards, davg



posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 05:53 PM
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a reply to: beansidhe
Haha well we are here and we got the day wrong the tour is Sunday night ! But we are visiting in laws for the weekend so it's ok we came all this way ! Took this pic



posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 06:05 PM
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a reply to: zazzafrazz

Ooooh!! Take more pics on Sunday night!!
I went to the Edinburgh vaults once for their midnight tour and learned loads. Mostly how fast I can run and how loud I can scream.



posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 06:28 PM
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a reply to: beansidhe

I did Edinburgh vaults in the late 90s still the best ghost tour EVERπŸ‘»



posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 06:28 PM
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DP

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posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 07:17 PM
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originally posted by: Davg80
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

hi kellyprettybear, ive been looking into the ancient gnostics writings about the archons and how they are related to the parasitic creatures that shamans describe from their travels into the unconscious. i was just wandering if you have any views on this.
someone on another post says you were the resident shaman of ats, thats why im mssg u lol



kind regards, davg


If you read this entire thread and my blog in my signature line, you'll definitely get your question answered about my observations on this matter.

Thanks and welcome to the thread.

Kev
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posted on Mar, 26 2016 @ 03:43 AM
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a reply to: beansidhe

No "god" has no time. My main point was and I feel safe saying this. It all effects it all. So where is the center point? It can be me if I so make it happen. Free will is alive and well but tie tempted with many facets. Language/psychology/culture/on and on... We are not waiting for anything. We are already it.

My poem comes into perfect meaning at this point.

Let me say it like this...
We can all be the middle point of "god" not just specks and no waiting involved.
Psychological operations... Culture.. Is or are close tousle points because so many "god specks" are in focus.
Me being dangerous to the game comes down to knowing how to
Be in the center.

Remember of course in my thinking it's fractals.

The stargate is inside your temple. Your temple is a being of trillions of life forms. You already did it once to be the ego to your body...

Same way to be Odin.






Edit some if my words were autocorrected into strange words, I hope my post still makes sense .

There is no distance in eternity. There is no time.
Eternity is here any time you go to it. No need for a wormhole or white hole or black hole.

You are already quantum entangled.

My free will is alive and well otherwise my post about changing one layer which effects every other layer would have no meaning..
Ha.

The fractal has no end points. Any point is the center point.


Hopefully some if that was ok communication. I'm definitely not the best.



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posted on Mar, 26 2016 @ 04:03 AM
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Oh and making the world stop is very shaman idea.. You..
The Carlos Castaneda books talk of this. (If you guys have not watched the shoe lost. "A separate reality" is a book in the kids hand who then controls the "island"(earth) later on...

Anyway...



posted on Mar, 26 2016 @ 05:03 AM
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Ok, I think I agree with you; free will is alive well but is tempered by the culture and social norms in which we live. That's true, I think, it takes a lot to live outwith the social rules and still function in a community, or even be allowed to remain in the community. So if we can be 'central specks' (if you see what I mean
) what then is the benefit? What are the advantages of being central rather than being peripheral specks? Do we have more control over our life in a manifesting kind of way, or do we become more 'aware'?

Maybe I should read some Castaneda.
Your communication is absolutely fine, if you speak slowly, and imagine you're talking to a not very bright child.



posted on Mar, 26 2016 @ 05:07 AM
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a reply to: Baddogma

Happy ATS birthday!!




p.s. - They're ghosts, not the Klan.



posted on Mar, 26 2016 @ 10:57 AM
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a reply to: beansidhe

"They're ghosts not the clan."

Lol


I was talking about metaphysics so being on the edge of society would actually be the right spot. A shaman keeps a foot in both worlds. Someone who can go to "the other side" but brings the information back to a society. Most societies if not all have definitions of the universe that are not good for "spooky action at a distance" to be understood in direct experience. When I became my soul I was in eternity. I was there for what I called forever. My body/ego thought about 5 minutes. My clock said 1.5 hours.

In the show lost Michael faraday shoots rockets from a boat onto the island and they take too long to land. So he knew that the island was not how to say it in direct 3d space.. If you think in 3d you would maybe think I'm explaining relativity but no relativity doesn't make rockets going hundreds of miles an hour 1.5 minutes late.. This is related more to time not being the "top dimension" (the old idea of hyper-space)

Scientifically time travel should be possible.

I think people who have said similar ideas in the past would call what I'm getting at "singularity"
Maybe the "all seeing eye"

And because I don't even know what I'm talking about specifically how it works I should probably give up on explaining it haha. I've just accidentally done it before where reality was more "my choice" than other times. This is like multiverse theory where infinite possibilities are all there at once you just pick the one you want.

It's very much like how a shaman might make an object appear in their pocket that was not there in their time space "before" this. Time is a slippery thing and most of our language concepts about cause and effect are time based. Cause comes before effect. But if the cause is going over time to the past then cause happens before effect only from the perspective of the time traveller. For anyone else an effect happens and years later it's cause.. So my grammar will get all screwy again real fast haha.

But yea what ever however I "did it" this time seemed to be related to me forcing the issue of Jupiter ascending movie being called Jupiter rising.. Watching websites morph in front of me was odd. If I kept up the idea of rising hard enough or more "centered" I wonder if now you guys would all know it was rising and never ascending.

Some could think "the wizard of oz" is trying to keep humanity locked in an "armageddon" timeline or maybe a timeline where certain groups of people maintain power, or a timeline humanity never becomes wizard like themselves as to upset the "destiny" controllers..


I went way far out on that post ha.

It's obvious I'm trying to force ideas into each other because I don't get what is going on. It's just my personal experiences like seeing the future, hearing people thoughts, merging into someone? Just weird things and I'm trying to find out how I did it.

Oh and I don't suspect I'm meant to do this or someone doesn't like it very much lol.
But why I've been guided to this point is yea just why have I ??

But I don't have to get any of that. I rather enjoy making people happy in everyday life.

I'm actually holding my copy of "a separate reality" the picture on the front is very "surrealist" surrealist paintings I think are a good way to imagine what reality is shaped like. Meaning it's one way of imagining "hyper-space effects" you know "extra dimensions" "time travel"

This picture is a man walking in the air his head is just radiant light no face there are floating mountains and trees and a waterfall coming out of the sky but not pouring on the ground either.

Lol looking at this picture reminded me of one of my past experiences. A dream within a dream.. Hmm that's a way of describing the dimensions thing better.. Like inception they are in the girls dream she realizes she's dreaming. It's at this point she's asking how to control her dreams and he makes a very important point that it's like a circle. You are both creating and experiencing the dream.

So think of my "center point" of the fractal as being above the dream. Picking what you want and going back in the dream. In the movie each level of dream they go down time is experienced at different rates. My center point would feel like a moment for a thousand years..

Too bad I lost a lot of my memory about what happened to me but I suspect it's cause some of it happened "in a separate reality" so my brain here doesn't have the "access code" as any strong signal.. Like forgetting a dream.



Ok this is me just waking up.

Weirdo dreams I now can't remember have me in strange mood. One part my boss told me I didn't have to work tomorrow haha I woke up thinking cool I get to stay home today. Too bad that was "just a dream"



posted on Mar, 26 2016 @ 12:07 PM
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I'm interested in the fortified defences of the medieaval city,


Yeah, well, how much you wanna bet you still discover a payload of mysticism despite your interest in engineering?



When I say I come at this from a different angle I'm not even close to kidding


I know that about you; I remember that every time the angles in one of your posts nearly breaks my neck from the torque of the rotational inertia.

Enjoy your battlements. Happy Easter.




posted on Mar, 26 2016 @ 01:14 PM
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Well finally finished "The Fall" he does seem to repeat/reinforce his ideas continuously but overall it is a good read.

Re the Mandela effect stuff - was unaware of the bears until the discussions, Jupiter rising/ascending again I was unaware of till the debate and for me Aus/NZ have always been where they are


So many quotes from films are misquoted "Play it again Sam" being the most misquoted and longest running one I am aware of - 70 years on and people still misquote it.

Time is a funny one and does seem to be very subjective - bad day slow - good day fast - fully occupied time seems to just disappear - who hasn't been reading/playing a game/ deeply discussing with friends or whatever and suddenly realised that hours have passed but it only seems like a few minutes.

Battlements are very interesting - I always find myself imagining what it must have been like to attack or even have to defend them - NOT PLEASANT.



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