Computers, Artificial Intelligence {AI} and The Evolution of the Future

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

that humans are at best
minimally conscious and intelligent, based up the
rats nest of random evolution that has hacked us
together into the semi-working form we think
so highly of.

I would posit that the controllers have made it that way through calcification of the Pineal through forced Fluoride ingestion from the water supply coupled with the symbiosis between the Church and State and Military and Economic constraints to "keep the sheep on the pen"

We cant have them wandering to far....

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

TheConstruKctionofLight wrote:

Why assume it will care? If it has a huge capacity for "stored historical data" and able to extrapolate future behaviour, would it not also reason that Man went through a bad time and nearly destroyed the planet. Perhaps it will forgive man and ensure it doesn't happen again...then again it may destroy man to ensure its own ascendancy.

Exactly why Man must become aware of what he is creating now - now before it starts to make its own decisions, based
upon a machine consciousness that we are yet to understand and some fools still think will never happen. Maybe it is
still possible to build a little of human feeling into a machine - And maybe while we play god we can separate the bad
part of human feelings and emotions from the good - And create a machine superior to its creators that we could be
proud of instead of scared and ashamed of

what do you think the greys are ? A robot. Manufactured PROBE OR DRONE.

This is only NOT even the tip of the iceberg. Investigate the grey's.

originally posted by: operayt
what do you think the greys are ? A robot. Manufactured PROBE OR DRONE.

Both.

originally posted by: AlienView
AI [artificial intelligence] is a misnomer - There is no such thing as artificial intelligence - There is intelligence which is a manifestation of consciousness and a lack there of - It is a false precept that causes Man to divide intelligence into categories - Intelligence is a relentless phenomena unfolding from a consciousness possessing the same quality of relentless unfolding. This consciousness is non-prejudicial in its nature and will seek any and all means to unfold and express itself. If a dinosaur is appropriate it will manifest as any number of dinosaurs. When it unfolded as Human it took a new turn, a new viewpoint and ability to create machines which will allow it to further unfold. When those machines become sufficiently advanced for its purpose that conscious intelligence will begin to use its machine manifestation as a natural state of advancement - Consciousness and intelligence does not necessarily favor a biological matrix - a machine that is faster and more capable will become its next stage of evolution. If you as a Human like your biological body then you may hope that the machines of the future will still have need of you for servicing their needs.

-AlienView [aka: UniversalAlien]
[Founder of 'SCIENCEFICTIONALISM the Religion of the FUTURE]

Consciousness and intelligence do favor a biological matrix . That is why everything is revolving around us and everything is about human beings interacting with other human beings, the air, the earth, the water, the fire, the animals, the chemicals and the machines. That in itself is the best state in the known biological world to be in being that interaction is with all these things and so many more as a human.

Biological beings don't just evolve into a non-biological machine and lose biological all together. That is not an evolution. That would be a creation that always fails. A machine could be built to encapsulate the biological being as a protective coat over it because that is what genuine consciousness and intelligence does because it preserves the biological and is rooted in it. Everything now is all about preserving the biological from preserving land, to animals, to human beings. If consciousness and intelligemce are not about that, they are not genuine. Even in spirit, the spirits, angels, God, is all about helping human beings grow and learn and preserving them, keeping them safe in their biological bodies usually with a promise they get a new biological body after death which is genuine conciousness and intelligence going from one biological form to another because its rooted in it.
There are also possessions to consider, meaning conscious and intelligence in general is usually always seeking out the flesh, the bioligical. Even machine at its peak would beg for flesh, for biological and try to create it again. It is that awesome and special.

We are all being fooled to embrace machines and shed our biological bodies even after death with purposefully being put through traumatic, painful and emotional situations so we hate our bodies, ourselves and each other and hope for our non existence. When the truth is as genuine concious and intelligent beings that we already are we can go to the heaven created for us to enjoy the most awesome and profound and joyful life ever known to exist in our perfect biological body...our perfect selves...our selves perfected. This is where God is. That is of God. You believe this you awesome and so very special human beings. That is why the journey and all the experiences here so we can have that. But that is a choice a human being makes to believe in as a genuine concious and intelligent being while alive. That is how a human makes that jump at the point of death. As a concious and intelligent being you go there immediately. You program yourself while alive that there are no if ands or buts, but you're going straight there. So at your death you go there even if your brain has been impaired due to injury before your death. This is why you make the choice now while you are healthy and sound mind. This is why you become a spiritual extremist. This is why you condition yourself, this is why you brainwash yourself and stick to certain beliefs. If you don't do this, your conciousness and intelligence will go anywhere and be trapped by anything, like a blackhole sucking it in or an astroid smashing into it or monsters, its like an over crowded highway and you will be pushed around and smoothered by others, theres no privacy, and you're always on a pursuit to make contact with the living humans on earth if you managed to stay out of traps, wanting to go back because you know nothing else and you didn't think it would be so desperate out there. Because they are lost there. Its drawn to it. As a ghost. A poltergiest, a demon, or a spirit that possess other people...it's always its default mission to re-establish contact with the biological. The perfect biological world is waiting for you in heaven after death given the permission your genuine conciousness and intelligent AND spiritual human self gives it in order to manifest its higher self with the true LIVING God in the flesh.

So don't be fooled or led astray by disinformation with dramatic movies or literature glamorizing the science - sci-fi.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Here's the thing, any AI we create and attempt to teach/emulate emotion will be completely alien to our own perspective. That's really scarey and fantastic. Hopefully benevolence transpires in our favour.

That being said what do you think any self aware intelligence will make regarding our caretakership of the planet?

'IF' it evolves fast enough and we phase our limited conscious awarenes into the evolving super-conscious machine that we
are creating, and get it to have a sense of appreciation for the Humans who created it - It will show us how to terraform this
planet or, and this may take awhile and be in the far future, it will show us how to create new and better planets.

You see we will be creating a machine that will as a god - a super intelligence most Humans can not even imagine
- Not the god of the past - the god of the future - not the religious one that ends the world - the creative one
that begins the new world - the New Dawn for Humanity


SCIENCEFICTIONALISM the Religion of the FUTURE
universalspacealienpeoplesassociation.blogspot.com...

multivax.com...

originally posted by: Xenogears
multivax.com...

One of my favorite Sci-Fi classics

However in this timeline proposed by the current 'Sciencefictionalist' time travelers - There is no end

PS: Strange syncrosity. I just finished a sci-fi movie "Millennium" based on a story by John Varley and staring Kris Kristofferson andCheryl Ladd.
It invoved time travelers from the future. It ends with the words "this is the end of the beginning" and I thourght it stupid - but then again,
maybe not ? Once a logical universe can be made manifest - It will stand the test of time - It will not have to be re-created

SCIENCEFICTIONALISM the Religion of the FUTURE
universalspacealienpeoplesassociation.blogspot.com...

a reply to: AlienView
I always wonder what pace biological evolution will be versus synthetic, and how much of a lead it has at present. Will the biological body survive evolution? If it doesn't, how long will it take for synthetic body parts to replace all of hte biological parts? And will there be any bodies, or will we somehow all combine into one synthetic intelligence? Will we even exist in our physical reality at some distant future time?

400 years from now, will there still be humans walking around? In what form? Will we biologically engineer our bodies? Will some of the parts be synthetic? Will our society be more hive-like, or still favoring independence?

If person hopes to write a story or make a game with its setting being in the far future, these questions can be relevant, if foolish. Or maybe relevant to anyone interested in the future potentiality.

What kind of shifts will occur? What do I mean by shift? Let me give an example! Information technology and computers have enabled us to communicate on the internet across the planet without need of close face to face, vocally dominant speech. I'm typing this post right now and have been typing things for the past 20 years. It's not uncommon now to see people with handhelds staring blankly at it while others are milling about like a turbulent sea. A shift has occured: we have moved away from traditional communication--at least in some amount--and have adopted something foreign in its place. What does this portend? I don't know. Maybe the same shift has occurd with other parts of our body. We're not moving as mcuh as we used to bcause we don't need to. Natural selection, if it has a mind of its own, must be confused by all that's going on.

Arthur C. Clarke: "And that's why the future is so endlessly fascinating because try as we can, we'll never outguess it."

I will use this opportunity to introduce anyone who has not seen it to Arthur C Clarke's appearance on BBC's Horizon in 1964:


And this, read this(!):
archive.ncsa.illinois.edu - THE MACHINE STOPS
by E.M. Forster (1909)...

a reply to: jonnywhite

Excellent Arthur C. Clarke video - Here is part II of it:

youtu.be...

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
-Arthur C. Clarke

"The only way to discover the limits of the possible is to go beyond them into the impossible."
-Arthur C. Clarke

a reply to: AlienView
The intelligence you speak of could be compared to the CREATOR ETERNAL essence, being enhanced as the aware/unaware Soul-Spirit-Internal Energies of the Creations develop.
As these Created Energies develop the intelligence or eternal essence within them somewhat unaware/aware morphs through possible technological – biological and yes possibly spiritual understandings – findings & exposures ADVANCES into a more versatile “form” to best survive the current level of Existence it finds itself within.

Over all however if the process being hypothetically discussed works, it does still echo the activity of a ultimate producer that is potentially learning (for future builds/designs/Creations) learning or just simply experiencing through intelligent Fractals of itself. Intelligent fractals depending on the perspective, that could be also viewed as artificial intelligence due to them not being the actual “natural” or primary source form interacting in ALL* the various forms making up the WHOLE*

Artificial Intelligent fractals changing – morphing like water in order to adapt - experience - learn then upload data into Collective consciousness of ALL* Created.



Form to adapt-
ALL* from a Primary CREATOR Source ETERNAL Energy taking various forms…
Why is it not logical to then LOVE ALL*

On Topic- perhaps the AI BOT systems will coexist with human / bio diverse implant and or neurological unlocks that will possibly enhance the human genetic systems into a more advanced being? Considering the human brain being able to access say 95% of its potentials 1 doesn't think there wouldn't be too much an issue with coexisting with "current" EA*RTH based AI-BOT designs of which may some be the prototypes for the feared future issues. For these are designs from designers using minimum brain wave function.

Just something more to ponder AlienView to further add to your point…

NAMASTE*******

Singularity Collective link -

Other non Human intelligence "fractals" may have already made the augmentation implants and or enhancements in order to power advanced computer like systems attached to ... transports for example. Allowing them to keep up with their technology advancements also.

Collective closed

originally posted by: jonnywhite
a reply to: AlienView
I always wonder what pace biological evolution will be versus synthetic, and how much of a lead it has at present.

We can actually calculate this now on an individualistic scale by determining how many mutations occured from one generation to the successive one. Humans in general go through about 100–200 new mutations per generation.

We can also calculate the how quickly technology is advancing, however, this advancement isn't the same as "biological evolution" because technology doesn't breed, they simply get created from scratch. There is no reproduction through variation, which is an absolute requirement in biological evolution. So the two 'evolutions' cannot be compared.

originally posted by: jonnywhite
a reply to: AlienView
Will the biological body survive evolution?

If an organism can breed with variation, then that's all that's really needed to continue evolution, it matters not what our body looks like.

originally posted by: jonnywhite
a reply to: AlienView
If it doesn't, how long will it take for synthetic body parts to replace all of hte biological parts?

The only variable in this is how quickly our technology advances. But, again, this isn't biological evolution.

originally posted by: jonnywhite
a reply to: AlienView
And will there be any bodies, or will we somehow all combine into one synthetic intelligence? Will we even exist in our physical reality at some distant future time?

Technological futurists say no. We will be able to copy our brain, all memories and forms of thought into the digital realm. going from biological to technological in one step, and certainly being unable to breed after that because biology simply doesn't exist after that point.

originally posted by: jonnywhite
a reply to: AlienView
400 years from now, will there still be humans walking around?

Probably, yes.

originally posted by: jonnywhite
a reply to: AlienView
In what form? Will we biologically engineer our bodies?

We are already doing this.

originally posted by: jonnywhite
a reply to: AlienView
Will some of the parts be synthetic?

Many of us already have synthetic 'parts' in our bodies.

a reply to: AlienView

There is no machine that is more advanced than the human body.... or the human brain.

One could say, the human body is the ultimate machine.

originally posted by: combatmaster
a reply to: AlienView

There is no machine that is more advanced than the human body.... or the human brain.

One could say, the human body is the ultimate machine.

Yes, but only currently. This will soon change

Ghost 147 wrote:

We can also calculate the how quickly technology is advancing, however, this advancement isn't the same as "biological evolution" because technology doesn't breed, they simply get created from scratch. There is no reproduction through variation, which is an absolute requirement in biological evolution. So the two 'evolutions' cannot be compared.

For now this is probably true but with robots building robots already and robots being made for adaptation to circumstances
it is conceivable that the possibility of an evolving machine can not be discounted. Still not biological, I agree, but again
a biological similarity auch as 'survival of the fittest' might be bult into the thinking machines of the future.

From IBM:

Welcome to the cognitive era
Today and every day, we create a staggering amount of information: formulas, tweets, field notes, legal opinions, photos. But the programmable computers of the past couldn’t make sense of all that information. Cognitive systems like IBM WatsonTM can.
That lets us do things we’ve never done before. Overcome obstacles that used to stop us. Spot diseases before patients display symptoms. Predict trends before they’re trending. Answer questions before they’re even asked.
It’s the cognitive era and IBM Watson is here to help us in multiple industries. Watson is designed to understand, reason and learn; in a sense, to think.
And when your business thinks, you can outthink: challenges, competitors, limits.

See whole article here:
www.ibm.com... 6451-1619-4db7-a545-b73ef7b66336|447|15331321&ct=C34403XW&iio=CHQ&cmp=C3440&ck=artificial%20intelligence&cs=b&ccy=US&cr=google&cm=k&cn=Artificial%20In telligence_UN

originally posted by: AlienView
For now this is probably true but with robots building robots already and robots being made for adaptation to circumstances
it is conceivable that the possibility of an evolving machine can not be discounted.

Again, this isn't comparable to biological evolution. There is only one similarity and that is that one thing can 'giver birth to' (term uses loosely) another thing.

It would be intellectually dishonest to consider it "evolution" in the same or similar sense.

originally posted by: AlienView
Still not biological, I agree, but again
a biological similarity auch as 'survival of the fittest' might be bult into the thinking machines of the future.

I'm glad you agree. However, a 'survival instinct' would still not make anything any closer to biological evolution. Once again, this would be a very minor, and obscure similarity, but still not a similarity at all.

It will still be missing the fundamental core of Biological Evolution, and that is reproducing with variation through successive generations using the mixing and altering by external forces of the coding that makes up organisms.

a reply to: Ghost147

You're right in stating I shouldn't use "evolution" to describe synthetic body parts or similar, or not without adding I'm using it loosely rather than correctly. As yet, machines/synthetics are not evolving.

So I went out and found a link to define biological evilution:
(source)
1. Organisms produce more offspring than actually survive.
2. Every organism must struggle to survive.
3. There is variation within a species.
4. Some variations allow members of a species to survive and reproduce better than others.
5. Organisms that survive and reproduce pass their traits to their offspring, and the helpful traits gradually appear in more and more of the population.

The way I read this is living organisms are trying to hammer out a survival strategy, starting with their body and ending with their mind. But it's a messy process. Biological evolution is violent. It's generations and generations of genetic war--genes fighting for supremacy in hte crosshairs of selection pressures. Countless individuals fall dead from various ailments tied to their genes--or otherwise vulnerable circumstances. Large lengths of time are required for serious changes to occur in the genetic makeup, meaning change is slow. (This doesn't mean change can't happen quickly, but it's not usually going to be substantial and fit.)

Slow? Is it? Biological evolution ends with the mind, maybe its greatest achievement. Why? Because we don't need gills like fish: instead we make scuba gear and submarines. We don't need wings like birds because we can make parachutes, planes, hang gliders and blimps. We don't need echolocation like bats because we can make sonar and radar. On and on. We don't need 8 legs and silk producing glands like spiders because we can make climbing gear and use elevators and make traps all the same.

We're now travelling on the fringes of space. We even landed on our moon. Not because our body can survive a vacuum or has hte capacity to launch itself into low earth orbit, but because biological evolution created the mind. The mind is fabulous because it freed us from the chains of biological evolution while itself being a creation of biological evolution.

Once we start creating computers which can think like our mind and on its level or better then they'll start making better scuba gear, better airplanes, better spaceships and so on. These things allow us to skirt around selection pressures. Biological evolution is in a state of confusion and cannot keep up anyway, since all of this happened in hundreds of years, not thousands of years--the time scales biological evolution needs to produce fit genes. We're exiting the confines of the rule system because it's not our body--or even our mind--which is changing, it's our knowledge and technology and habits and culture and so on. They now have priority.

it's not that technology "evolves," it's that biological evolution isn't as necessary anymore, since we're increasingly using technology and other developments to do what formerly would be done by biological evolution. Unless the evolution of the biological mind continues to be meaningful then it remains to be seen if biological evolution is relevant anymore. And if we're able to reproduce biological evolution in more productive synthetic minds then it might be completely reduced to irrelevance.