It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: onequestion
Like I said I agree with you that the system is broke. But many of the symptoms you are seeing is because Corporations are creating the rules as they need to via lobbying and our politicians and CEO are lying through their teeth.
I'm in the engineering industry and I always hear about the corporate hype about not enough American engineers to fill the jobs.
Then you see companies like Disney who had full staff of American workers who all the sudden were fired and their jobs were outsourced to India. So is the issue really the lack of qualified American workers or the desire by these companies to legally send jobs oversea for cheap labor.
Now the key is not that Disney is evil or enjoys doing this or even greed, Its that Disney HAS TO DO that in order to survive and increase their bottom line for infinity or they fail. The problem is that Oligopolies and corporations such as Disney have made it legal to do that.
You want a fair workers market place you must concentrate on taking that monetary influence away. Or wait till our standard of living drops to the level of China ,so our cost of living becomes equal to theirs. Hence we will be able to compete with them.
bottom line corporations and business are doing what they are suppose to be doing to survive. The people that are dropping the ball are the Politicians and the American voters that don't stick to the only issue at hand: Corruption in DC.
You fix that then workers will have a greater voice to change the system.
I consider ther factors into the wage equation. Such as... Hard working.... Yes Product knowledge... Yes Reliable... Yes Good customer service... Yes Full time employee... Yes Does this employee contribute to the success of my company... Yes Then that person deserves a fair share period.
I don't know how we fix this conundrum. Obviously, a company remaining private can avoid falling into this trap, but at the same time the public markets are necessary.
originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: Chickensalad
How about this...
Which employee can the company be run without, and why does he still work there?
originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: Edumakated
See this is where we differ.
Your gauging someone's value based on a perceived skill and on that notion alone.
That is exactly where your logic is flawed.
I consider ther factors into the wage equation. Such as...
Is it laborious... Yes
Hard working.... Yes
Product knowledge... Yes
Good customer service... Yes
Full time employee... Yes
Does this employee contribute to the success of my company... Yes
Then that person deserves a fair share period.
I'm not basing their value solely on a perceived skill level. Yes That is a factor but not the only factor.
Answer this question....
Who works harder, the manager or the person unloading the truck, and define exactly why and how?
The actual value depends on the area.
originally posted by: Edumakated
a reply to: MALBOSIA
I don't necessarily disagree. Globalism can be bad. However, unless the American consumer is willing to pay more for goods and services, companies will continue to look for ways to cut costs which includes moving manufacturing, etc overseas.
US consumers talk a good game until they actually have to make a choice with their wallet.
Personally, I don't mind paying more for goods and services from companies that employ Americans and are locally owned businesses. However, the reality is the vast majority of consumers are always looking to save a buck regardless of the long term costs.
So how do we reconcile that principle with the need to survive and the health of the overall economy?