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Oregon's Portland Community College to Mark 'Whiteness History Month'

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posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 01:02 PM
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Sidenote: the one thing I like about threads like these is that even though people see things dramatically different, its a respectful chat of all sides caring, just different views on what is the best way to stomp out the last vestiges of racism without creating a new monster in the process.


We have come a long was as a society. 150 years to change out 35k years of the norm (seeing different looking people as lesser people) is pretty good.




posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 01:11 PM
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a reply to: SaturnFX


The authors took the content of 500 real resumes off online job boards and then evaluated them, as objectively as possible, for quality, using such factors as education and experience. Then they replaced the names with made-up names picked to "sound white" or "sound black" and responded to 1,300 job ads in The Boston Globe and Chicago Tribune last year.

White names got about one callback per 10 resumes; black names got one per 15. Carries and Kristens had call-back rates of more than 13 percent, but Aisha, Keisha and Tamika got 2.2 percent, 3.8 percent and 5.4 percent, respectively. And having a higher quality resume, featuring more skills and experience, made a white-sounding name 30 percent more likely to elicit a callback, but only 9 percent more likely for black-sounding names.

Even employers who specified "equal opportunity employer" showed bias, leading Mullainathan to suggest companies serious about diversity must take steps to confront even unconscious biases - for instance, by not looking at names when first evaluating a resume.


www.cbsnews.com...



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 01:51 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: SaturnFX


The authors took the content of 500 real resumes off online job boards and then evaluated them, as objectively as possible, for quality, using such factors as education and experience. Then they replaced the names with made-up names picked to "sound white" or "sound black" and responded to 1,300 job ads in The Boston Globe and Chicago Tribune last year.

White names got about one callback per 10 resumes; black names got one per 15. Carries and Kristens had call-back rates of more than 13 percent, but Aisha, Keisha and Tamika got 2.2 percent, 3.8 percent and 5.4 percent, respectively. And having a higher quality resume, featuring more skills and experience, made a white-sounding name 30 percent more likely to elicit a callback, but only 9 percent more likely for black-sounding names.

Even employers who specified "equal opportunity employer" showed bias, leading Mullainathan to suggest companies serious about diversity must take steps to confront even unconscious biases - for instance, by not looking at names when first evaluating a resume.


www.cbsnews.com...

Without digging too much into this, I will take it at 100% face value.
What then is being looked at here. did they try it with asian sounding names, or slavic, etc.

I think there absolutely is a "cultural" prejudice people have. when someone discusses black youth culture, I immediately go to hip hop, thug life, etc..because that is the culture most pushed by movie and music industry, and in turn is seen in the streets.
You watch a jerry springer show and every tyrone is a gold chain wearing black thug, and every daryl is a inbred overalls wearing drunk white hillbilly. Black women have "black" names and are screaming harpys, white women with names like Amber-Lynn is some nosering proud "slut" styled foul mouthed etc.
This is programming that creates a image in the mind as to what you are getting involved with.

I would be interested in a similar test, but instead of "black names", do other cultural names. Change John Smith to Cletus Magee Change Robert to Jeb or Merle, etc...drum up backwoods hillbilly stereotypes and see if the subconscious drops those files also.

Then see the results of asian names. change Susan to Ping. Smith to Won, etc..I would be curious what those statistics show (I suspect asian sounding names would be favored in technical positions...stereotyping)

This isn't really about racism though (although it is to an extent) verses about stereotyping and a culture that loves stereotyping of all. we love our neat boxes.

I suspect it might be good for HR to block out names and just assign numbers when reviewing resumes for no front loading.


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I am currently digging into the article presented now and am trying to seek out their sources. it only says "researchers", but seemingly no linking. I get wary on anyone doing this as they typically are trying to hide some glaring issues, or was done in a screwed manner..or flat out made up stuff that sounded good (see UN report on cyberviolence recently).
I wont dismiss the idea of cultural stereotyping harming people though, that (in my opinion) is solid..but that comes back to a discussion about culture of communities itself.
..also, this article is 13 years old...probably still somewhat relevant, but in 2003, people were out of their mind nervous about anything "weird" from terrorism scares..so time has to be taken into consideration


edit on 21-1-2016 by SaturnFX because: Added a thing about stuff



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 02:13 PM
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a reply to: Discotech


Why not ? Because I personally think piggy backing on the achievements of others throughout history is a pitiful excuse to be "proud"


By that logic, practically no one who has ever achieved anything deserves to feel any pride for their accomplishment. After all, they are only piggy backing on the accomplishments of others in the past who made achievements before them.



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 02:18 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
White people do not have to feel ashamed for things that happened in the past. But they should acknowledge that these things happened. And they should acknowledge that it still happens today, in various ways.

It is the denial that any discrimination happens today towards non-whites that is dangerous. This college programs tries to deal with that.


Do you hold any other group to this standard or just white people? And what denial are you talking about? Perhaps you've just wrongly accused people? This program proves that yes there is discrimination, but in this case its discrimination against whites. Ironic, yes?



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 02:20 PM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: TheBulk

Well, you cannot blame all Christians for the actions of the perverted few either, and yet WBC gives all of us a bad name, as does every nutbar who shoots a room full of people and tells the world that Jesus told him to do it.

The only rational response, is to only blame individuals, and not demographics, for the actions of those individuals. That would be a more sensible and forward thinking approach, would it not?

Thats not the approach our universities are taking.



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 03:07 PM
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a reply to: TheBulk

Let's be honest.

It is not the way that most folk are dealing with things. Islam as a whole gets blamed for terrorism carried out by a tiny percentage. Christians get tarred as fundamentalists when one of them loses it and shoots a bunch of people, or a tiny minority outrage public decency at a funeral. The left are considered useless hippies at best, and shrewd and dangerous commies at worst. The right are looked upon exclusively as either drooling lackwits or greedy destroyers of the lower classes in society.

Nobody seems capable of understanding nuance, everyone has lost their reason, their ability to see past labels, to the core of things. A person is not who they vote for, nor can they be solely described in terms of the faith to which they subscribe, nor the music they love, or the colour of their skin, nor their sexual preference or gender. A person is a complex thing, people are complex things, and each of them must be assessed on their own merits. Racism is just an extreme example of what happens when this basic principle is not applied to such assessment. Judging people is bad enough, but judging them purely by demography is amongst the stupidest things a human being can do to another.

No large group of people can be judged by the actions of a few, unless those doing the judging wish to sling a noose around their own necks. Prejudice from anyone, toward any group, is suicidal on a species wide level. Reckless, ill thought out, and toxic at best, evil and inevitably destructive at worst.

Let's stop. Let's stop, think, and remember that we are all human, before we are anything else, and that we owe each other better than this?



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 03:43 PM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

Whose fault is it that poor people are in poor neighborhoods? I guess you favor socialism where those poor people can do what they want without earning it while they're given everything from education to healthcare while the rich and middle class pay for it.

We all get the same opportunities. Pissing it away can only be done at your own discretion.



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 03:49 PM
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a reply to: SaturnFX

Absolutely agree... AA has run its course and it's time to throw it in the garbage. Poor people are the ones who get screwed the most. Their color doesn't matter. People seem to leave that out, and they forget that we're all given the exact same opportunities to either fail or succeed.



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 03:50 PM
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a reply to: LSU0408

It is factually inaccurate to say that everyone gets the same opportunities in life.

If you believe that all it takes is an opportunity, then you have been fortunate enough to come across one or two in your life. Others just haven't. There are wasters, but they are not statistically relevant as a figure, because their numbers are so small. Other extremely poor folk are working several jobs at once for what amounts to no financial reward, just to keep themselves fed. Not being able to save anything, not being able to move forward, or move out of the crappy one room apartment they share with their offspring, spouse, mother...

I think you may have conflated your experience of opportunity, with the idea of everyone's experience. Not everyone has been as lucky as you. That does not mean to say that their lives should be amongst the most harrowing in the western civilised world. It just means that someone should have given these people a shot that they have not had.

You do not have the right to dismiss these people, because the only difference between you, and them is chance. To believe otherwise is simple folly.



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 03:50 PM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

Exactly.



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 03:52 PM
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a reply to: mamabeth

Don't hold your breath. You're probably like the 99.9% of us that haven't gotten any help from being white, but instead the 'okay' to be discriminated against because you're white.



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 03:57 PM
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a reply to: LSU0408

When the only difference between you is chance, what did you earn exactly?

The answer is, nothing. You did not earn your shot. You just took it when it came. If you had not have had the shot in the first place, you would still be worthy of living like a person, not an animal. That costs money people haven't got. The solution is not to let them live like animals anyway, but to help them live like human beings, with health, shelter, food, heat and light.



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 04:00 PM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

Being born black doesn't mean you're going to fail. Being born white doesn't mean you're going to succeed. Your basis is who you're born to, and with that I agree about your chance of success. But being born of a certain race isn't an automatic level of success or fail. Poor people of all colors have the same rate of success, this can't be subject to race. But, they were all born with the same opportunity.



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 04:05 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

White History Month sounds fantastic.

We could serve Saltines and Milk. Have snowball fights. Draw pictures of puffy clouds. Release some doves.

So much awesome.


You forgot the cheese and mayonnaise sammiches.


and to wash it down?




posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 04:06 PM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

Do you realize how many people grew up dirt poor without a pot to piss in and took their "shot" when it came along and succeeded? Some had to make their own shot. I promise you, people can do it. My dad is a prime example, as is Ben Carson. My old man worked in a rice field every summer from the age of 5 to 13 and his mom got the money for it. She gave him away because she couldn't afford him. After high school, he joined the Air Force and the rest is history. He did it all on his own.



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 04:08 PM
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a reply to: LSU0408

That is what I am telling you.

Opportunity is rare, and people are numerous. Making them live like dogs because they were not lucky is not humane or decent, nor does it promote a future with more opportunity in it. It stagnates the situation and creates less opportunity.

If everyone gets a shot at something worth while, then the numbers of people living the hard way will much reduce, to the point where only the unbalanced or infirm will be among them, aside from some genuine freeloaders. That has not happened in any generation that has ever been born, in any nation. No government has gotten this right yet, and until they do, welfare is required to correct the mistakes of past and present, and it should be there.

The current economic model would collapse if there were no poor, did you know that? It is physically impossible for a nation to have one hundred percent employment, and a workforce which is paid a decent wage. So these individuals perform a harder public service than many working folk, because their lot is to live and die unsatisfied and destitute, or the whole system collapses. It wasn't a bunch of hand wringing liberals who came up with the idea!



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 04:09 PM
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a reply to: SaturnFX

This appears to be the actual study -

www.nber.org...



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 04:11 PM
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a reply to: LSU0408

And it worked for him because he was lucky.

It would not have matters how good he was at any job he ever did, if he had not have been lucky, several times, perhaps hundreds in his life. Is that right? Fair?

No it is not. Until things are right and fair, people should stop ragging on those who make it possible for the economy to exist at all, those working three jobs for no money, those living out of their cars, under tarp, and trying to hold a job anyway, and there are more of them out there than there are bums and takers.



posted on Jan, 21 2016 @ 04:12 PM
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IMO we need less SJWs and more engineers.

we should start a tv show, where each week we shame a different culture throughout history


Charlemange? more like Charle man ge.

Silly Carolingian, making folks read.

Ottomans are next week.



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