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Cologne Imam Says ‘Things Will Happen’ If Women Wear Perfume And Dress Half-Naked

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posted on Jan, 24 2016 @ 05:20 AM
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I feel so fortunate,that i live in South Africa,outside a small town,which do have a small Muslim population-all extremely nice friendly people. I sometimes go to a certain shop in the "muslim quarter" to buy incense. The muslim owner has a shop that sells "everything from a teapot to a feather boa' specialising in muti tools for sangomas and people who use such items. He is always friendly and asks after my children etc. Now,in Africa it gets disgustingly hot and humid in summer,so often i've gone in there dressed in shorts+camisole top,or strappy sundress. He never shows distaste in my way of dressing,though i know that to him it must be off-putting. I've often thought,should i maybe make the effort to dress just a tad more conservatively/covered up when i go in so he's not forced to see all that feminine flesh -point being,exactly Because he's so friendly Despite me being dressed in a way that he must find gross,i feel it would be a reciprocal kindness to dress more "covered up"..it's like because he does'nt make me feel like trash for dressing in a way repulsive to Muslim men,i feel for making an effort just that once in a while when i visit his shop,does that make sense? Anyway it's been on my mind again,with all the controversy lately.
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posted on Jan, 24 2016 @ 05:53 AM
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originally posted by: Raxoxane
I feel so fortunate,that i live in South Africa,outside a small town,which do have a small Muslim population-all extremely nice friendly people. I sometimes go to a certain shop in the "muslim quarter" to buy incense. The muslim owner has a shop that sells "everything from a teapot to a feather boa' specialising in muti tools for sangomas and people who use such items. He is always friendly and asks after my children etc. Now,in Africa it gets disgustingly hot and humid in summer,so often i've gone in there dressed in shorts+camisole top,or strappy sundress. He never shows distaste in my way of dressing,


If he has grown up there or is 2nd generation he will be used to it and

accepting of the culture he is living in?



though i know that to him it must be off-putting. I've often thought,should i maybe make the effort to dress just a tad more conservatively/covered up when i go in so he's not forced to see all that feminine flesh -point being,exactly Because he's so friendly Despite me being dressed in a way that he must find gross


If he has emigrated there ... and makes a living from the citizens there

and finds the dress code offensive, he maybe should consider going to

somewhere that is more to his liking .... *When in Rome??* comes to mind



posted on Jan, 24 2016 @ 06:16 AM
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a reply to: eletheia

Yes i certainly see your point. It's just that,my line of thought is: It's only for 10 minutes every 2/3 months,so as a sort of courtesy,maybe i should cover up a teensy bit. I'm by nature someone who does not like to make people feel uncomfortable as a rule,and i'm always wondering if when i walk in this man may think "Wow all that flesh"


More a courtesy thing in a very specific situation,and place. I certainly don't think that in Western society as a whole one should adapt one's whole style of dress in case you happen to pass Muslim men in the street. The street is for any and everyone. I just wondered if it would not be a small courtesy to show a bit less flesh when going into his shop,as say i was invited to dinner by a Muslim family,i would propably dress a bit more modestly,because i would see it as a courtesy from my side.

But as a whole,it would be totally impractical and unnecessary for the whole female sector of society to have to change their way of dressing to accommodate Muslim preference (or any other group's preference) I was more thinking of a specific courtesy to a specific person on very infrequent occasions.



posted on Jan, 24 2016 @ 06:50 AM
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originally posted by:Raxoxane[/post]
Yes i certainly see your point. It's just that,my line of thought is: It's only for 10 minutes every 2/3 months,so as a sort of courtesy,maybe i should cover up a teensy bit. I'm by nature someone who does not like to make people feel uncomfortable as a rule,and i'm always wondering if when i walk in this man may think "Wow all that flesh"



You covering up, will not be protecting him from *Wow all that flesh* lol!!

because he'll be having to view it from others anyway, so your small sacrifice

will be small change?


More a courtesy thing in a very specific situation,and place. I certainly don't think that in Western society as a whole one should adapt one's whole style of dress in case you happen to pass Muslim men in the street. The street is for any and everyone. I just wondered if it would not be a small courtesy to show a bit less flesh when going into his shop,as say i was invited to dinner by a Muslim family,i would propably dress a bit more modestly,because i would see it as a courtesy from my side.


Now there I can agree in a personal invite/situation it would be a mark for

respect and courtesy.

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posted on Jan, 24 2016 @ 08:29 AM
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You sound very considerate.

If it's a public setting dress as you normally do. That's how it's done. Guests to a new country adopt the ways of that new country. You're not asking him to shave his beard or for his wife to remove her head covering when they enter your market, right?

Their children and grandchildren will fare better the less they are cloistered up in a muslim bubble in your country. The children have more chance to adapt.

a reply to: Raxoxane

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posted on Jan, 24 2016 @ 08:48 AM
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As someone who has a good friend who is a divorce attorney I can say unequivocally that you are wrong.

MY friend says that the notion 'women take men for all they've got' is a media contrived, television invented scenario. There are cases where this comes to pass but in the majority of regular cases the spouse who controls the money controls the divorce. It is expensive to get a divorce.

My atty friend says the system is a mess and he works in it. He sees case after case where the person who has control over the $$, has squirreled away thousands in hidden bank accounts oror has family helping pay big bucks and that person almost always wins ultimately. That person drags out the divorce process so that it never actually gets before a judge but instead bankrupts the other party, their former spouse, and leaves that spouse with no option but to capitulate.

My friend is disgusted with the system regardless of how he benefits money wise. He has seen instances where a woman has lost custody and visiting rights to her children simply because the husband's family had money and put her through utter hell. Rarely, he comes across a case where a woman married someone wealthy and then benefitted $$ wise because they shared a child. In these cases the wealthy man WANTS to ensure his child has a mother and a good upbringing. Also he has so much money that another attorney is willing to represent the woman pro bono because of the possibility of larger pay off.



The system is a mess. but that idea that women are walking away with boatloads of cash is BS. IT should be centered on the children and these drawn out legal shenanigans should be eradicated.

IlluminatiTechnician



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posted on Jan, 24 2016 @ 08:54 AM
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And why is a thread re: a weird old guy spewing immoral things on a Russian radio station now a discussion about divorce in America?

Can't read through all the pages but surprised.



posted on Jan, 24 2016 @ 09:00 AM
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originally posted by: nenothtu
a reply to: Annee

Apologies. It was a lecture on "rights" in general, not specifically "women's rights", which is sort of oxymoronic - rights are rights, and have no gender. Singling out a right and applying it only to one subset of people removes it from the realm of rights - it makes that subset "more human" than the rest of us (because they have "rights" we do not and cannot have, by virtue of our being "other"). A "right" that applies to only a special person is no right at all - it is a privilege.

Furthermore, rights are not "fought for" - that implies that they can be issued to you by someone else. Rights simply exist, and it is up to the individual to exercise them or not... but failure to exercise them does not make them go away, in the same way that they cannot be issued to the individual by someone else.

Issued "rights" are, again, actually mere privileges, subject to revocation in the same way as they were issued.







PERFECTLY explained and worth me reposting here as the thread has drifted.



posted on Jan, 24 2016 @ 09:09 AM
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a reply to: Raxoxane

If everyone were more like you the world would be a better place.



posted on Jan, 24 2016 @ 10:28 AM
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a reply to: Airewenna

That tends to be the way it really is for many. Prenuptials are very important not just for income but for children, because women aren't surrogate wombs for men and are hard wired, to caretake their children, and dream of each one of them as children themselves.

More often than not, men who shouldn't have access and harm or kill their kids, or do things just to hurt their ex, are granted visits and many rarely think they need to pay child support.


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posted on Jan, 24 2016 @ 10:33 AM
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I think that along with pepper sprays, tasers being bought out, they need to invest in some dye witness because if you're recording all that happens when you're out (and they need to keep going out and claiming their right to be themselves, but probably best in groups), you can record voices, but not always get good video if someone is harrassing you, and dye witness identifies the perps. The police can't ignore it then.



posted on Jan, 24 2016 @ 11:43 AM
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a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician I really hope that was sarcasim



posted on Jan, 24 2016 @ 06:30 PM
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Islam isn't the real issue here, its a specific culture that is becoming pretty dominant within islam called wahhabism. The fanatics seem to be ruling the day and erasing all culture where they go.

1 pic = 1000 words


These apes destroy culture, they are ripping apart the many (frankly awesome) cultures of the middle east to force a amish equivalency. They are being heavily funded/pushed by the sauds and actually have a foundation in US funding back in the 80s...
Point is, it is not the natural culture of the middle east..it is a fanatical view being violently pushed in the middle east.

The aim is of course to go global, how can we stop it? who knows..we gotta first off remove the idea this is a race or religion war, it is a fight against a specific culture that destroys other cultures, using a shield of religion...once that is clear..then lets get to shooting some mofos



posted on Jan, 24 2016 @ 07:08 PM
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originally posted by: darepairman
a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician I really hope that was sarcasim



Nope.
We all would like life to be perfect, and for no one to be raped, but the hard reality is, it happens...and its not likely to stop. Too many rapists out there. Women should cover up, especially at night, for their own safety.



posted on Jan, 24 2016 @ 07:33 PM
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originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician

originally posted by: darepairman
a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician I really hope that was sarcasim



Nope.
We all would like life to be perfect, and for no one to be raped, but the hard reality is, it happens...and its not likely to stop. Too many rapists out there. Women should cover up, especially at night, for their own safety.


What a load of bollox.

People need to take a harsher line with pests like that and not tolerate them in society, whatever their backgrounds.



posted on Jan, 24 2016 @ 07:34 PM
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originally posted by: SaturnFX
Islam isn't the real issue here, its a specific culture that is becoming pretty dominant within islam called wahhabism. The fanatics seem to be ruling the day and erasing all culture where they go.

1 pic = 1000 words


These apes destroy culture, they are ripping apart the many (frankly awesome) cultures of the middle east to force a amish equivalency. They are being heavily funded/pushed by the sauds and actually have a foundation in US funding back in the 80s...
Point is, it is not the natural culture of the middle east..it is a fanatical view being violently pushed in the middle east.

The aim is of course to go global, how can we stop it? who knows..we gotta first off remove the idea this is a race or religion war, it is a fight against a specific culture that destroys other cultures, using a shield of religion...once that is clear..then lets get to shooting some mofos



If I may use your picture there, to make my point, if I may, in reference to my previous posts about the women showing too much skin.
To every male, when you look at this photo, does your eye not naturally gravitate to the right bottom of the picture? It's because they are showing more skin. You don't have to be a rapist, you just have to be a man. Unfortunately, some of the men out there are rapists.

I'm not saying dress like a ghost, like the women in this photo, but maybe cover up some, for your own safety, if for any reason.
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posted on Jan, 24 2016 @ 08:10 PM
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originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician

originally posted by: darepairman
a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician I really hope that was sarcasim



Nope.
We all would like life to be perfect, and for no one to be raped, but the hard reality is, it happens...and its not likely to stop. Too many rapists out there. Women should cover up, especially at night, for their own safety.


What a load of bollox.

People need to take a harsher line with pests like that and not tolerate them in society, whatever their backgrounds.


Yes, but despite all of that,...they are out there right now doing it.



posted on Jan, 24 2016 @ 08:12 PM
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originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician

originally posted by: darepairman
a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician I really hope that was sarcasim



Nope.
We all would like life to be perfect, and for no one to be raped, but the hard reality is, it happens...and its not likely to stop. Too many rapists out there. Women should cover up, especially at night, for their own safety.


What a load of bollox.

People need to take a harsher line with pests like that and not tolerate them in society, whatever their backgrounds.


Yes, but despite all of that,...they are out there right now doing it.


Yes, and there are men out there who like to rape other men too, but I doubt very much whether their victims were in heels and short skirts.



posted on Jan, 24 2016 @ 08:34 PM
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originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician

originally posted by: darepairman
a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician I really hope that was sarcasim



Nope.
We all would like life to be perfect, and for no one to be raped, but the hard reality is, it happens...and its not likely to stop. Too many rapists out there. Women should cover up, especially at night, for their own safety.


What a load of bollox.

People need to take a harsher line with pests like that and not tolerate them in society, whatever their backgrounds.


Yes, but despite all of that,...they are out there right now doing it.


Yes, and there are men out there who like to rape other men too, but I doubt very much whether their victims were in heels and short skirts.


You know as well as I do, that a man can defend himself against another man...much better than a woman defending herself against a man.



posted on Jan, 24 2016 @ 08:40 PM
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originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician

originally posted by: darepairman
a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician I really hope that was sarcasim



Nope.
We all would like life to be perfect, and for no one to be raped, but the hard reality is, it happens...and its not likely to stop. Too many rapists out there. Women should cover up, especially at night, for their own safety.


What a load of bollox.

People need to take a harsher line with pests like that and not tolerate them in society, whatever their backgrounds.


Yes, but despite all of that,...they are out there right now doing it.


Yes, and there are men out there who like to rape other men too, but I doubt very much whether their victims were in heels and short skirts.


You know as well as I do, that a man can defend himself against another man...much better than a woman defending herself against a man.


So? What has that got to do with your statement about covering up to avoid rape?



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